Mellypie

Um, the HK-50 did put the Exile in the Cargo hold, but it was Kreia who took her onto the Ebon Hawk. Kreia says: "Whatever occurred on board the Harbinger had rendered you unconscious. Though your thoughts were faint, I was still able to find you... sealed in one of the cargo holds." The HK-50 just followed Kreia to the Ebon Hawk. And as far as Atton freighting fuel, if he had violated the weapons ban and been arrested do you honestly think the crew of his ship (which is probably a Telos freighter and rather large) would wait for him? I still don't believe he was there to pick up the Exile.

Yeah, that's why it got third place.

Okay, I'll put this forth. Why would Atton want to have anything to do with a Jedi? You see how freaked out he gets about being around just Atris. Sorry, I just can't see him as Coorta's contact. It just doesn't fit.

Freighting fuel? Wouldn't Atton have another ship if he had indeed been Coorta's contact? Why wouldn't the HK-50 have taken it? Why be waiting around? The Exile was unconcious. It's my theory he was still waiting for Coorta's contact. Although he repaired the Ebon Hawk he couldn't use it. The navicomputer is locked. No the Exile was drugged twice once on the Harbinger once again one Peragus both times by the HK-50: HARBINGER MEDICAL COMPUTER RECORD LOGS <FullName> Treatment Request: Sedatives administered during routine examination 3.5 days ago. Emergency override enacted, dosage exceeds safety protocols. [During your last medical exam, you were administered a delayed sedative that would kill a normal human being. That must be what rendered you unconscious when the Harbinger was taken out.]

Um, yes there is. The HK-50 drugged the Exile (s/he was unconscious when Kreia found him/her). He tells you this whe you meet him in the maintenance bay and then you find that datapad in your room when you return to the Harbinger indicating that that was how he pulled it off. That's also probably the reason that T3 has to stabalize the Exile during the prologue.

I hate that idea. Just because most players (not all I know) prefer to play LS and taking away the choice to be either lightside or darkside makes everything we, as the players, did in K1 and K2 null and void. Why bother even playing at all?

I still believe that Kreia was not on board the Ebon Hawk when it was attacked by the Sith warship. One of the dialogs that she says when you're talking after you escape Peragus suggests that she had a ship of her own. "When we intercepted the Harbinger, it was crippled, drifting in space. It was a simple matter to board the vessel and rescue you. {Sighs} Unknown to me, however, the Sith were already on board. Just as we made the jump to hyperspace, they fired upon us, nearly destroying the Ebon Hawk." If she was already on the Ebon Hawk (which is onboard the Harbinger) how could she intercept it?

Master Speed hands down. How can you go wrong with a +4 to Defense and 2 attacks per round? Second prize goes to Master Valor, I mean +5 bonus to all attributes, come on. How great is that? Third I would give to Force Immunity. I find it very useful, unfortunately it's only useful against other Force users.

You can if you play F!Revan. If you go darkside at the Temple, and have completed the romance with him, he shows up on that Forge and tries to convince you to turn back, however, you have no choice but to kill him or let Bastila kill him. **cries**

Um, no. Kreia says, to the Exile, at the end after you beat her three floating lightsabers: It is done. At last, it is done. You are greater than any I have ever trained. By killing me here - you have rewarded me more than you can possibly know.

I refuse to believe my LS Revan went dark again. [sarcasm]Why not rob us of what little character we have to play with for Revan even more? It's okay![/sarcasm] :angry:

Speak to Visas and Kreia they tell you all you need to know. Kreia says: He... if he can truly be called a man any longer... is one of the dark lords that pursues you. I do not think he knows what you are, not yet. He spared the Miraluka, and that may have been the last shred of feeling that exists within him. Keep his slave close to you. I suspect there was a reason he spared her... and perhaps a reason that she survived when the rest of her people and the Jedi did not. Perhaps he is bound to her... as I am bound to you. If so, there may be a death served by hers. About his power: It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand. {Quietly} Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake. And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts. {Chiding} Power? Do you think so? {Shakes head} You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls. Nothing is impossible with the Force. It is an energy that flows through all living things. And like energy, it may be harnessed, channeled, and consumed at times. It may even be a substance that can burn and ignite. Do not think of his power as one would a weapon, or one of your warships of the Republic. It is terrible, but it is still a subtle thing. The sect of assassins that chase you feed on the Force... what he does is simply the pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time. And that is why they - and their techniques - must be wiped out. No one again must experience and learn what her master did. As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely. Then you understand how terrible such a power is. And why it must be ended. It is an empty road to the dark side, and by traveling it, the price is death before one's time. He is a breach in the Force, capable of consuming the lives of those around him. Sometimes the touch is slow, as it is with his crew. It is not something he can direct or focus, much like hunger itself. He is more of a hole in the Force than a living thing. Force Sensitives and worlds rich in the Force draw him. The Miraluka world was one such place. That is why where the Jedi gather, Jedi will die. He will feel it, unless they mask their presence - but Katarr called out as a beacon to him, and he could not resist it. And he cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings... or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well. And when the Jedi are dead, her master will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well. There is no future in the empty galaxy he sees. And that is why he must be stopped, the breach must sealed, before his power grows beyond what even we can hope to stop. One cannot have power of that magnitude that her master possesses and still think and perceive the universe as we do, as most of us do. And Visas says: He cannot deny his hunger for long - and any gathering of Jedi is something he cannot long resist. And now that the Jedi are vanishing, I do not know what will happen - perhaps he will grow strong enough to eradicate all life, merely with his presence. They hoped to see the threat that had been stalking them. And they did. But they were unprepared for the magnitude of the threat. It (the destruction of Katarr) was not a thing done with machines or weapons. The Force is far more terrible, and it touches more lives than any machine can hope to slay. For every one that feels the Force, strongly, deeply, each one feels and perceives it in their own way. You have strengths, whether you know it or not. And my master has his. His power is great, and it comes from hunger. He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake, life dies... sacrificing itself to his hunger.{Quietly} And those who feel the Force strongly are beacons to his hunger. My people, my planet, would have been attacked in time, it was inevitable, yet we could do nothing about it.

I would say they would respect him. I think Carth is a great man despite what others may say. The fact that he could forgive Revan for being, well Revan, and if Revan is female love her, says alot about him. He forgave and loved the woman who was the catalyst for his wife being killed, his son being lost, and his homeworld being turned into what we see in K2, a dead world that the Ithorians are desperately trying to breath life into. That shows marks of greatness IMHO. What was Carth wearing in that hologram? His default clothes? That means you set Revan to be female and if he's in his default clothes then that means he's dead. Poor Carth! As to why he's showing the hologram to Disciple it's because :ph34r:

I voted for Kavar. He seemed to understand why the Exile went to war more than any of the other Jedi did. I would also give runner-up votes to Zez-Kai Ell and Vash. Zez because as others have pointed out he blames all the Jedi not just the ones who left. And Vash because she wanted to tell the Exile what had happened to him/her at his/her "trial". I find Atris interesting in that the game used her to show how subtley the DS can corrupt someone.

Yep. Vandar says: "And Juhani has also asked to accompany you. After long deliberation we have granted her request."

No word from the developers, but considering I turned her back from the DS, met back up with her at the Hawk, and she accepted an award with the rest of the crew, I'm going to say she survived. And from what I've read on Knights of the Old Republic boards, all over the net. Bastila dying in LSF game is a minority opinion among gamers, female or not.

You know it really kinda hacks me off that you only see Bastila if you set Revan as male. What? Does Obsidian think that all female gamers hate her and killed her on the Star Forge? I think Bastila would be just as concerned about F!Revan as M!Revan considering she's Force bonded to her. I like Bastila, darn it. And I wanted to see her, when I set Revan as what I play: female. :angry:

It's been done. **coughSioncough**

Quoted for emphasis.

Sort of. The Exile convices Sion to let go of his life, to give up the will to live. Which the game also seems to imply is the only way to kill him. "This battle was never about the flesh, it was about belief." In essence yes the Exile did kill Sion, but not with her lightsaber.

Yep. This is exactly why I like the Exile more. Because the personality traits, things in her background that I gave her, her history, aside from that that was given, was mine to do what I wanted with. And stayed that way. I did the same thing in K1, but because the main character turned out to be Revan my back story for her didn't amount to squat. <_< This is also why I love the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack Hordes of the Underdark. The ability to completely make your character what you want him/her to be. The only things that are given is the you are the hero of Undrentide and that you trained with a dwarven wizard/cleric named Drogan. Race, gender, class, alignment, background, family etc. are all at my command, not the devs.

Meaning at the end? Kreia doesn't say anything about Bao-Dur. The only time she does is when you do the "listening" lesson. And then she says she couldn't hear anything and assumes the same of the PC, which isn't true.

This is one of those things that I'm not entirely sure about. I think with M!Exile Atton sees a way to move beyond his past (if the Exile is LS that is) and perhaps recitfy some of the things he did. Perhaps he feels that keeping this one Jedi alive will atone for all those that he killed. A couple of things said in the game make me believe that the Exile really did completely severe her/himself from the Force (the deafening thing above was just a theory but not one I would hold to much): Visas says: My Master was aware of a disturbance in the Force, but was unaware of its nature, of you. The disturbance is not something one feels from a living thing. Meaning to another Force sensitive the Exile feels dead. Has no exsistance in the Force. Vrook says: Yes... you can feel the Force, but you cannot feel yourself. Which again shows that the Exile has no presence in the Force.

Perhaps the midi chlorians have always been trying to speak to the Exile and Kreia just taught the Exile how to listen for it again. It is also possible that what Vrook said was true, that the Exile was just deafened to the Force, but not completely severed from it. If the "noise" of Malachor was causing her to not be able to hear the Force in herself (and for others to not hear the Force in her) then Kreia could teach her to hear the Force past the "noise" or hear the Force in others. Hence the constant dialog options I mentioned before. And anything is possible with the Force. **shrug** Ah, but even if you get them lightside or darkside (with the exception of Atton) you still lose influence with them if you do something they don't agree with. Example: I turn Visas LS. I take her to Onderon. We're in the cantina and Colonel Tobin and Vaklu's troops attack. Visas says it would be a good chance to "cleanse" the place of life. I tell her to rein it in and keep her lightsaber to Vaklu's troops only. She does what I tell her, yes, but I lose influence. Oh, and it's easy to see why Atton wants to protect F!Exile. Because, whether he admits it or not, he loves her. I think, perhaps, the Jedi (especially Vrook) were always a little too quick to blame the loyalty of the Exile's friends on her Force bonds (even before the wars) rather than a friendly personality. In the holo on Dantooine Vrooks says: "whatever the other Padawans see her do, they are quick to do the same... other students dislike her intensely!" That sounds like what happens with any popular student. I'm sure they thought the same thing about Revan. Surely s/he was popular and the other students wanted to be like him/her and I'm sure there were others that didn't like him/her at all, too. But no it's the Force bonds. I still think that the Jedi could not properly judge what had happened to the Exile when they didn't travel with her (and experience the effects first hand) and didn't spend any time studying the Exile and her condition.

The Exile. Let's just put it this way: I started out playing Shayla Varn in K1 and ended playing Revan, ex Dark Lord of the Sith. I started out playing Isan Ilar in K2 and ended playing Isan Ilar. She stayed my character.