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I don't know if I'm evil enough for you, but perhaps I would be interested in driving the Ferengi Alliance towards a juicy economic victory over you war-mongering, female-worshipping Hu-mons. :D I guess it all depends on how time-consuming this is going to be, and how much do I have to read to get started... "

Yeah, well. We are trying to crash the forums. If we achieve that, perhaps they will take notice. "

Sure it can. Can it fix itself though? Can it fix itself after being blown to bits? Right. As long as the Hard Drive survives, probably. Let me get this straight. Your PC can fix itself? And it can do so after being destroyed by gunfire? Wow, I would keep an eye on it. Skynet might try to take over the world, one of these days.

A Tremere against slavery? That's pretty rich, considering that The Pyramid is a de facto slavery.

Scary. In a sad, sad way.

Yeah, this thread was in dire need of some comic relief. Your post served that purpose just fine.

Hilarious.

Yes, trusting a spirit without even knowing if it's a wraith or a spectre is always a sound plan. After all, what's the worst that could happen, an eternity in The Maze? That's fine with me.

Do you know whether this is a spectre ploy? No. Do you know anything about how the Giovanni deal with wraiths outside what these spirits have told you? No. Do you know what is the fate that awaits spirits that are "set free" in the Underworld as things are over there right now? No. Do you know for sure that the plan to assassinate the Elder will work? No. Do you know whether or not the spirits will hold up to their end of the bargain? No. Do you know whether or not the spirits can even hold up to their end of the bargain? No. Yes, this is a masterfully crafted plan, indeed. Your path is "humanity", not "The path of the Free Spirits Union".

I'm not familiar with the rules for True Faith in DA. As far as I know, lvl 4 True Faith indeed allows to repel a vampire but only away from the priest. This doesn't prevent the target from advancing towards other targets, however.

Not to mention that the Obfuscate plan isn't guaranteed to succeed even if they don't see it through with the cameras. If not, don't you think it would be very suspicious that Angelo is not going with you? And True Faith (unless he has 5 dots in it) can only be used to prevent the Elder from slaughtering Eru, but it won't protect the rest of you. Even if it wasn't a Giovanni Elder, it's still a suicide plan. Your idea of the bomb truck is probably the safest way to go, and honestly I don't see why Ender wouldn't want to allow that. But improvising a bomb is not easy either, and it may very well blow you up in the attempt.

It would need to be a really big wooden cross. You see, a wooden stake used for that purpose has a "T" conceal rating, which means you can only conceal it if you are wearing a trenchcoat. I don't think your crucifix will do. " Not to mention that wooden crosses aren't usually sharp. I guess that would raise the difficulty too, making it next to impossible since the difficulty is already 9 by default. You need to cause 3 damage levels in that attack for the staking to succeed. Go figure. Really, staking vampires, while stylish, is not very feasible in a combat situation.

Well, when is a good time to get together and discuss this?

Yes, that's not how it usually goes in PnP. But at any rate, I assume he meant he'll try that next session. It's good to know.

A stake you obtain from... where? Don't tell me that you always carry a supply "just in case". And it's not exactly an automatic action, either.

Also, Eru, I made a mistake last session. I told you that it costs [5x current rating] xp to raise a discipline, but I didn't know you were Caitiff. For Caitiff it's 6x.

In that plan you are assuming that both Jags and I will either help you or at the very least stay neutral, which I assure you, I'm not going to. And, have any of you realized how much this stinks of a spectre game? You do know what the deal with spectres is, don't you? And all for what? A sword that will most likely vanish as soon as it's fulfilled its purpose? Your mistrust of the Giovanni? I have read the log, and I fail to see a single reason why we should side with them ghosties. They aren't even sure they can fix the hunters for good. Anyway, I still think we'll have to get together sometime this week and discuss the issue.

Tremere were never supposed to be more than NPCs? Wow, that's news. " And for the record, Tremere did have an antitribu bloodline. But at any rate, siding with wraiths (or even spectres) rather than vampires is not what I would call a very solid course of action. We could try asking the Kuei-Jin or even the Lupines for help, too. How about the Mages?

I suggest you review the mechanics of True Faith. And you are going to need more than "powerful weapons" to deal with an Elder. Seriously, how many times have you succeeded at something like this in a PnP session? You can't quickload here, you know. EDIT: Thanks, Kaftan.

If I was playing any other Clan, I wouldn't have a problem with your plan. But the Giovanni are first and foremost devoted to the family. Basically, they are loyal to nothing else. They are one of the few Clans (if not the only one) that have no antitribus, no dissidents, no defectors. There's no way I'm going to roleplay betraying an Elder or allowing you to betray him simply because that would weaken the Clan's position in the big picture. And, at any rate, do you really think a handful of fledgelings can take on an Elder and his retainers, in his own lair? Are you out of your minds?

Are you sure you want to try that? Introducing that kind of forced disagreements in the group is never the best way to conduct a RP session and I assure you that if you did that, I wouldn't stop until I had had my revenge. Do you really want this chronicle to end in Angelo's fangs? Honestly, that's not a very smart plan.

I don't like where this is going. Surely you don't expect me to help you murder an Elder OF MY OWN FAMILY, do you? And it's not very smart to trust wraiths (assuming its a wraith you made a pact with), mind you. At least with vampires you know what to expect. But whatever. We'll have to get together sometime this week to think what are we going to do, so we don't waste friday's session with that.

- "What do you mean a Sith Lord would never say '101101000101101110101101001010'?" - "He wouldn't." - "Well, fine. How about '110001011010101110010101101101010'?" - "Nope." - "Aw, drat."

You know, there was this huge thread about permadeath, a long time ago. Featuring Hades_One, GoA, and myself, among a few others. I still cringe when I remember it. You could go dig it up if you're feeling like maiming your brain a little bit. It should still be in the K2 general. I take absolutely no responsibility for any permanent or temporal brain damage you may suffer while performing such high risk forum diving. "