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You didn't pay enough attention. Read the description of Arenis Xemdal, for instance. Or Istvaan's description of the infiltration procedure.

This sounds cliche and all, but Read The Article. It says they were personally close.

My plans for tonight just got cancelled. Guess I'll be there after all.

It's not the same thing. In the example you propose, friendship (real life friendship) is not being establised as a selfish means to achieve an end. Again, I have no problem with betrayal, as long as it stays IC. I wouldn't be angry with my friend because I know that our friendship isn't something established just to lower my guard. Keep trying to make me believe that befriending someone with the sole purpose of betraying them in a game is perfectly fine. No matter how much you spin it, that's what it comes down to.

Fair enough. But something like that is not very pleasant. Would you be happy about it? I know I wouldn't.

Sorry folks but something just came up. I won't be able to attend tonight's session.

Of course they don't condone it. They would probably get in legal trouble if they did. But the bottom line is that it's beyond their power to stop it. I don't need to. All the evidence I need is in the original post of this thread. It doesn't really matter if Mirial was emotionally devastated or not. Each person reacts differently to that sort of things. What matters is that that agent dude befriended her with the only purpose of betraying her later. You were right... until you began drawing conclusions from my statements. The problem is not who did it. The problem is that it may be (I don't know Mirial's or other big guild CEO's specific tacics) a common practice in that community. Hey, sure. If everyone does it, it must be right. Right. How many of those thought the infiltrated were their "friends" (in as much as a total stranger from the other side of the world can be your friend)? Oh, please! Don't give me a lecture about losing and winning. I have played my share of online games and I understand those basic concepts. A game that doesn't involve the risk of losing isn't a game. However, metagaming is cheating, as it gives you an advantage outside the planned game mechanics. And while it has been said that Mirial raided others and took their BPOs (whatever the hell those are), it doesn't really matter. I'd applaud the whole thing if all the manipulation and deceit had been carried out IC, but that's not the case.

Enough? I don't see Mirial going "GG" in any of these quotes, so whatever. Read my posts next time before replying to them. It will save you a whole lot of embarassment. Also, only one of the quotes actually expresses admiration for the feat. If you went through the hassle of hand-picking quotes from a forum to back your stance, at least you could pick the ones that actually do that. The third quoted player apparently isn't very pissed about the whole affair, and he shouldn't be. He seems to view it as an in-game defeat, and for him it was. Not for Mirial, though.

I honestly don't know what the hell are you talking about here. Again, you are trying to establish a direct link between the fact that Mirial doesn't attack the GHSC in that communique and the possibility that she isn't angry. That link exists only in your mind. You have failed to back that up. And at any rate, it's the intent that matters. So how about you make some sense for a change? It's about damn time. )

How convenient. "

Perhaps a different client would work?

Let's see if I can simplify this enough for you. If not, I'm afraid I'll have to resort to sketching, and I'd rather not do that if I don't have to. I suspect you're just being purposefully obtuse so you don't have to admit that you are wrong, but I'm still going to grant you the benefit of doubt. The assets associated to an account and the account itself have zero value, as they are the property of CCP. However, the right to control those assets inside the game world is what has value, and what is sold on the Ebay. It may be argued that even that is under CCP's control but that is only theoretical, as they would not exercise such control arbitrarily lest they drive players away. Now, if such assets are destroyed and/or stolen, they are not under the control of the original players. Those players have effectively lost control over an in-game resource, and that control right in turn had real world value. Hence causing real world economic damage to the players that controlled said assets. Don't try to steer this into the direction that "any player looting is evil" because it's not the economic damage what matters, but the means through which that damage was caused. Burglary will get you jailed, while stockbroking will not. Irrelevant. You posted it as "proof" that Mirial's attitude towards the whole mess was "GG!". Which is not, and therefore the whole purpose of your post is defeated. Are you trying to add something to the debate or you are just posting randomly in an attempt to "win the thread" by getting the last post?

So? Legally it's not their property, but it de facto is. Are you going to start living in denial as Volo, too? I wasn't proposing anything, for starters. And the fact that she doesn't lash out against them in that particular article doesn't mean she doesn't anywhere else. It's not an open "GG!" declaration, so its validity as a support to your argument is nil. You can read whatever you want from it, but the facts are that there is not a single hint of approval or admiration in that communique, or whatever it is. You are just twisting it to support your untenable stance. Good luck with that.

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Those were called Gargantua.

Heh. All MMORPGs have that sort of EULA. It covers the developer's ass in case some dumb fuc/< tries to sue them in the event of a server reset, for instance. The EULA doesn't prevent players from selling their virtual property rights over assets or even entire accounts on Ebay. Nice try. As for the second quote, uh, still I don't see Mirial going "GG!". All it says is that she hasn't quit EVE. A coherent decision for someone that stupid, really.

Heh, heh. I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. Seriously, it's just the name for an early Starforce protection cracker. Specifically, that one was used to break BL's NO-CD protection before the NO-CD patch was released. Starforce is one of the nastiest protections (if not the nastiest), installing loads of crap drivers on your system and demanding that you disable any virtual drives. There are even some reports that the latest versions can even damage your DVD drive. I guess the "scene" wasn't very happy with li'l SF, so they gave that name to the cracker. What? You were expecting it to be smut? Good God man, how could you think that of me? I made sure I had cleaned all that before taking the screenshot!

"Sorry sir but mistah Authrity ain' here now, Im his manservant Perkins, sir. But am sure 'ed agree with ya if he was 'ere" ^_^ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Zing.

Firewall'd?

OMFG IE u n00b!!1 *ahem* :ph34r: Here's mine.

Um, have you ever managed to log off reality? If so, what substance did you specifically use as a catalyst? Um, so? It can be argued that some of the assets stolen and/or destroyed could actually be more valuable than what they are worth in in-game currency, as it's often the case with rare items in MMORPGs. Dragon Sword anyone? :ph34r:

Lambs are yummy.

Links, plz. Either that or STFU. ) Which doesn't mean they are happy with what happened. From the 10 people who were asked about their thoughts on the matter for the article, 5 of them were flat out against. IIRC only 2 or 3 thought it was "cool". So, yeah. Read the article again. The economic damage has been equivalent to some $16k. Yes, that's RL currency. You obviously haven't understood a word of what's being discussed here. It would make no difference at all, if said "police force" had used the same metagaming emotional scam tactics that the GHSC used to carry out their hit. It would still suck. In a scary, yet rather pathetic way.