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Looks like someone needs to get out more And, in case you need to ask, yes, I read the book. Thje first pages, at least, until I felt the unstoppable need t opurge my systm from this crap. Id on't thin0k I'lle ver be truly clean again.

No. TOs is incredibly outdated. Only relal HC fans like it anymore, and believe me, you don't wanna be one of 'em. Also, Voyager is quite boring up until the fifth or sixth season. I'd say the best overall is DS9, whose last two seasons are just awesome. As much as I like the show, I must disagree. 1800's brothels waiting for a crew of heroes to kick the local crime boss' ass? Come on. Still, and being a huge Star Trek fan, I think I'd rahter recommend Firefly than ST for newcomers to the genre. Firefly is simply more fun. Edited for clarity

Why not? I liked it,f or what's worth. And um, enough with the hipster cra`p, Baely. okthxbai

Considering "GI" stands ofr "Government Issue", I wouldnt' quite sayt "FTW"...

Alas, that's exactly the greatest problem a developer faces when working on a MMORPG. It's virtually impossible to allow the player to have a lasting impact in a multiplayer setting based on an open, persistent world. At present, most MMORPGs cannot allow any real interaction, and thus, they truly have no real gaming value if stripped of the multiplayer appeal. Folks who join those games with the pretense they can simply ignore the multiplayer aspect are going to inesorably fall into disappointment. No, I 'dn't thin's im`possible. From what I read, that seems to happen troutinely in EVE Online. Even if it ionvolves a lot of metagaming, a dynamic world that changes in accordance to players' actions is possible. So I guess it's juts a matter of time until devs leanr to make world sless staticm, and more dependant on players' actions.

That sounds wafully generic, exzcept for this bit:

Iy's obvius thiey feel eyvy. no, 0m not drin k so dion0't ask :D

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Hmm... that sounds like... owned. So, let me get this straight. You started a thread to lure this guy into "defending his Lord Jesus Christ", so you can all laugh at him? Whoa, that's state-of-the-art trolling, mate! By the way, awesome sig Kor. Kinda hypnotic.

Sounds good. Better actually than most MMORPGs I've read about lately. How much are the monthly fees? Also, do you know if they are going to add extra content in the future, and if so, what are their intentions on this? And, ahem. You mentioned facing is important. But there's no facing that I know of in D&D except for flanking purposes, right? So, is the ruleset significantly changed from the pnp one? Are those changes good? PvP?

Sorry, I don't think that makes sense as a reply to what I wrote. You'll have to try again. No. It's because suppressing certain groups' civil liberties arbitrarily puts the status quo at risk. And since the main function of any government is to maintain the status quo, it would be counterproductive to do so if one weighs the potential destabilization said groups can cause, against the effects random suppression of civil liberties can have. I'm fine with you playing devil's advocate, or taking on any persona you desire. That doesn't grant you a Papal bull to write nonsense, so you shouldn't expect people not to call you on it when you do just because this is a "neutral discussion".

That was pretty rich. Let's have a bit of mental gymnastics. If forcing civilization on people can destroy their religious values, that means religion and civilization are incompatible, since we also know that an integral part of civilization is tolerance to the values and ideas of others. Diversity of values and ideas actually enriches civilization. Following this, the only possible incompatibilities with civilization arise from barbaric practices. So, the conclusion derived from that statement is that religion equals barbarism? You are a genius.

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No... the basic reason for crime is law. And beyond that, greed. Law is necessary for society as we know it, and greed seems to be hard-coded in us, so...

For the nth time, I don't know what kind of martial arts you do over there. But when I did it, was it a competition match or a sparring friendly match, you had to wear your protections. Even a badly aimed kick while sparring can result in a broken shin, and if you had actually any idea what you are talking about, you would know that. As a matter of fact, I had my ribs broken while wearing a protective vest, in a friendly sparring match. But being knowledgeable and rational is nowhere near as fun as talking out of your ass, right? Indeed. In fact, many more people die yearly because of working accidents than they do due to injuries sustained during American football matches. Real tough asses, those workmen. Ignoring parts of my statements so you can draw a purposefully wrong conclusion? Bad, bad Gromnir. You see, in martial arts, physical contact is the point of the sport. You may get hit, but the idea is to hit the other. Fair game. Getting hit is not an added bonus for your failures. No. Even despite your obvious failure to see it, my discourse is perfectly coherent throughout the thread. Sorry, if you get confused in a debate in which your points are discussed one by one, this ain't the place for you. You might as well ask people to use three word sentences when addressing you. No, I meant football. With a ball. My God, are you desperate. You are actually using "geeks" in a disparaging manner? You, the guy with 1k+ posts in a game developer board? What's going to be next, a "get a life!"-ish retort? The thin fa

And still, you fail to use the quote function. It really helps to make your posts more readable, if you can get past the gromnirspeak thing. So what? Regardless of your experience, it's obvious most of your broadsweep statements are way off track, as it often happens with that kind of assertions. Your "been there, done that" attitude (which here on the internets has zero value) doesn't give you carte blanche to spout random generalizations as gospel. And yes, Grom. It's an irony because you accuse others of the very flaw you suffer from. But you are right, it's hypocrisy as well. They are not mutually exclusive. See? You're getting the hang of the "inane quote/reply thing". No. It's trolling because you just make an attack on my statement without actually explaining where it fails. But you already know that and are just playing victim. Bad cess mate... bad form. As for the naming trends, hammers evolved from animal bones used in that fashion in Prehistory. But you don't go to the hardware store and ask for a slamming bone, do you? Still better than "oringine". No, outside the US, football is football, you know, with a ball. If you are going to refer to American football, then it's you who should clarify. I don't care if this is an American or Thai developer, the internets isn't American. And my edits are only to add or remove the odd punctuation sign, I'm not really adding or removing any content. It's really sad you have to resort to pointing that out. You seem to be obsessed with the notion of "appearing tough". I wouldn't find that surprising in a teenager, but I thought you were a grown man. Of course, any physical activity is for wussies, except for American football, which incidentally, is the sport Big Bad Gromnir has performed at the highest level. I only explained my background because you made an incorrect assumption about it. I didn't imply I did martial arts to become tougher or anything.

Yeah, I figured it'd be something like that. Another cheap shot, obviously, unless Grom actually uses Orangina during his training sessions. No, Grom. We don't use Orangina. We use vintage wine, and camembert.

More chest banging, and only failures to back it up. Delusions are always so sad to witness. No, I don't see what you mean, as there's only trolling and no substance in that paragraph. Maybe what you mean is that your sole purpose in this thread is to disrupt discussion? Again, I don't know what kind of martial arts you do over there. But we don't leave bottles of "oringina" (whatever that may be, tried looking in a dictionary too) laying around for anyone to trip, fall, and crack a few ribs. One'd have to be pretty clumsy to break a bone falling to the same level, too. Happen to you often? No. I meant football. With a ball, you know? Translation: "I have done this and that and been here and there, however I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert, as that would blatantly expose my holier-than-thou attitude, even though I try to veil it with an average joe approach that lowly common folk love so much" Whatever Grom. That paragraph is based off your mistaken interpretation of what I said before. Again, I meant football with a ball.You fail at reading comprehension. Eh? Again your misconceptions and flawed assumptions drive you to post nonsense. You don't know if I have actually competed, you see, you don't need to have a black belt for that. And considering there's a good proportion of KOs in TKD matches due to kicks to the head, I'd say I can very fairly compare that to your American football, or boxing matches. You forgot dumb. You need to be pretty dumb to want to get hit for no good reason. It's very simple, but I can see how you would fail to follow. If no matter how fast you are, you are eventually going to get hit, then getting hit is an integral part of that sport. Therefore, anyone wanting to play that sport, wants to get hit, without any chance of hitting back. Now you're an expert in football as well? You accuse me of having "euro preconceptions" post after post, and amusingly, it's you who's being shown to have his already painfully narrow sights obstructed by preconceptions and ignorance. The irony is gleaming.

Hilarious how that other guy in red dances around the boxer that KO'd his pal. They can't beat Cantona's Dragon Kick, though.

Yeah. I guess there's nothing wrong with giving random objects random names. It's the lack of imagination I find amusing. The Brits' first for naming it, and yours now for going along with it. But if you're happy with the limiting of the lexicon, and the confusion it entails, I'm happy too. I don't know. What does my background have to do with the current debate? You brought it up, in an inaccurate assumption too, buddy. Right. I don't know the kind of martial arts you do over there, but I've had some ribs broken during my Tae Kwon Do training. I broke some, too, and I've seen way worse. You are right on the discipline part, though. That's probably why I quit before getting a black belt, in all my martial arts attempts. And contrary to what you seem to think, martial arts do toughen kids up, if not physically, psychologically. Football doesn't do that. So? I wore protective gear too in my TKD matches... and not just head gear. Whatever. You are taking a very plausible risk, for no good reason. If you want to get tackled, there's Jiu Jitsu. If you want to prove you're fast, there's track&field. And if you want to prove you're fast with a ball, there's football. I don't understand this masochistic obsession with receiving physical punishment. Edited for stuff.

Hmm. Rape camps, Kari Wuhrer... sounds like my kind of show.

I think I have only watched one episode. Looked promising, as they were stranded in a world where 90% or so of the male population had been wiped out by a deadly disease, and the rest were required to make up for the difference...

HA! :D Passing on the blame, eh Grom? As a matter of fact, I have only very recently become a football fan. I never played it as a kid. I was more into martial arts, where one doesn't "pretend" to be hurt as it doesn't get you anything. Come think of it, it was great fun to tackle the other guy and ground him as he tried to do the same. I figure it's even more so, if instead of doing the same, he's actually running with the ovoid*, and you can get away with it. What I can't understand is why anyone would want to be tackled... *Note that ovoid isn't accurate either, as I have yet to see one of those objects actually resemble an egg in shape. Melonoid, maybe?

I'm not sure we want to steer the thread in that direction... :ph34r:

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