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I'll be honest, that type of philosophy is not going to be all that successful if you ever go into education. That is essentially like trying to repair the dam after it bursts. You will find your job much easier if you establish a strong framework and tackle problems at their root. I found this line to be fairly condescending, but also very illuminating about your grasp of being a professional educator. It is not a job for everyone, it requires a certain type of mindset. That is why there is such a huge burnout rate, 50% of new teachers quit within the first 5 years. Given that it is a job with good benefits and 3 months of vacation, that is a surprisingly high number. My job is easy because I run my classroom with respect. I establish the importance of respect right away and I stay on it. If a student starts baiting another, I get on it immediately. I don't let it fester because over the course of an entire year I would eventually lose control. I also maintain a balance, more carrot than stick, as the saying goes. The administrator went too far with the stick here, as we've established.

Yes, we already established that the principal was wrong. The issue at hand is whether any action was necessary by the administration. My argument is that a disciplinary action was not appropriate, but they would be remiss to not address the intentional baiting. If a situation had escalated between the 5 students and the ones celebrating Cinco De Mayo and the administrator had ignored the 5 students, I see that as a serious offense.

I'm confused, if you believe that the students were intentionally baiting, exactly what are you getting at? Are you saying that no action should be taken when students bait one another?

Ok, here you go: Our Mission statement: Our Honor code: Discipline code: Here is the district mission statement: This is fairly standard stuff at every school. The discipline code is the most telling part, as the boys were not adhering to number 1,2, and 4 when they intentionally baited other students.

Ah, but a school is not a supermarket or a highway. It is not even public property, as so many people seem to misunderstand. The purpose of schools is not just to teach reading and math. Social interaction and being able to function in a community are huge parts of the educational process. They are addressed in the wording of school policies and mission statements. So basically: It is your obligation to be nice to people while at school. If you fail to do that, you can expect that life will be made difficult for you. Again, I think the administrator could have handled this with much more tact, but I think an action was necessary.

How often do you think these kids coordinate their US flag apparel during the rest of the school year, anyways?

So now what are you going to do?

I can definitely agree with that. Lose the guy and it would be pretty awesome with just the Vegas strip in the distance and the great logo. I see that as well. I guess that guy is bit too generic, maybe? Killzone called, they want their soldier back Oh please, not again. Combat helmet + gas mask is not THAT uncommon. That is really the point, it is generic, as Slowtrain said.

I can definitely agree with that. Lose the guy and it would be pretty awesome with just the Vegas strip in the distance and the great logo. I see that as well. I guess that guy is bit too generic, maybe? Killzone called, they want their soldier back

I would say it's typical of the Beth forums. WHich isn't a flame, just an observation on how they prefer their posting activity to be. It's also why I rarely go there. Again, no flame or anything, just an observation. They make their choices and its their right to do so. I'm guessing their forum is a lot bigger and more prone to insanity than in these parts. Hence the reason I also don't go near it.

I can definitely agree with that. Lose the guy and it would be pretty awesome with just the Vegas strip in the distance and the great logo.

There should be a zoot suit and a tommy gun.

I'm actually not a fan of the box art. I love the logo, but the guy with the gun doesn't really draw me in. I'd rather see a pip-boy throwing dice at a craps table.

We all agree that the reaction to the US flag on Cinco De Mayo is not a good one, so how can we enact a change there? Because I'm pretty sure throwing it in their faces and saying deal with it is super ineffective.

Dang, it wants me to upgrade to 10.5. I'm still using Tiger.

I don't really see that ever being the case, unless they figure out some way to get super high speed internet to pretty much everyone. I agree that it will be marginalized eventually, but I think we will always have a presence in stores. Music would probably be the first to make the fully digital transition, as a song is a relatively small amount of data and can be downloaded faster than movies or games. But I think there will always be a market for CD's, even if it shrinks considerably. I totally agree that there will most likely be those outside the range of high speed internet for a while still. However, at some point, it won't be financilally worthwhile for publishers to print up and ship a small number of hardcopy games just for those folks. I'm not sayiong iot will happen tomorrow, but within a few years I expect it will be no longer possible to purchase hardcopy games. Music, I think is a little different in that there will always be "audiophiles" who insist on having a piece of music on a piece of plastic. I've never met any "gameophiles" who insist games plays better out of the box then when downloaded. lol. Although I'm sure there are a few. After thinking on it a bit, you are probably right that eventually stores will stop selling hardcopy games. People will probably just order them online if they really want it on DVD's.

Pretty crazy, Montreal has definitely been the Cinderella story of the year.

I hope volourn didn't drive away all the reasonable folks that were part of this discussion.

Then they could have asked for them to remove the bandannas without being unreasonable. However, as far as we know, there was no school-wide policy against wearing flags. They should not have been forced to remove their American flag shirts. And if there were a policy against flags, that would be ridiculous and would warrant discussion by itself. Yep, that's why I said the administrator messed up.

I don't really see that ever being the case, unless they figure out some way to get super high speed internet to pretty much everyone. I agree that it will be marginalized eventually, but I think we will always have a presence in stores. Music would probably be the first to make the fully digital transition, as a song is a relatively small amount of data and can be downloaded faster than movies or games. But I think there will always be a market for CD's, even if it shrinks considerably.

There is a known school policy against wearing bandannas. There are also many schools with uniforms or limited color choices. This debacle will likely lead to more schools moving in that direction. For example, both red and blue are not allowed on my wife's High School campus. They have a heavy gang issue, but the letter of the law means students can't wear US flag regalia.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Volologic, Oblarg. :D

If this was their intent, then there is still the problem with the forum they have chosen for their political stand. Schools have to be very cautious when it comes to political messages. That's why I keep saying the administrator handled this terribly. Instead of opening a dialogue with the students about their intent and how it might be perceived by others, he tried to shame them. There are really three sides to this argument: - The 5 students side - The administrators side - The both sides are wrong side

I just threw up a little.

I wonder whats the percentage of registered hispanic voters. Less than 5%? 1%? It would have been hysterical if this was happening in Arizona and those 200 protesting kids were raided for illegal immigration.