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He's getting the racist label for the Mexico and Muslim stuff, so those pictures aren't really relevant. At least he's had the sexist label pretty consistently over the last 30 years.

Hah, yeah, my bad.

So what about the Koch brothers? Their wealth grew by $33 million in the last 3 years, but more than half of their employees rely on welfare to get by. How is that raising all ships?

I work in Cupertino. It is also important to keep in mind that the houses that are selling for under a million are the easiest for investors to gobble up, because they can go in with a cash offer. I used to live in Gilroy, but the commute was killing me. http://www.trulia.com/CA/Cupertino/ Honestly this isn't like some breaking news story. The Bay Area is insane. http://fortune.com/2016/03/07/san-francisco-housing-prices/

In our current climate we are not growing our economy. Or even trying very hard to do so to tell the truth. If we want to turn that around a good start would be to elect some political leaders who haven't gone all-in on Keynesian economics and believe they can tax and spend our way into prosperity. I'm not talking about individual tax rates. Those are not that bad. I'm talking about the "cost of doing business" stuff that is driving employers overseas and nothing is taking their place. I live in an area that is experiencing economic prosperity. Companies are growing quickly, labor is not being outsourced, etc. I'm making six figures. But then we look at the housing market and it is clear there is something wrong. I can't buy a house. I'm not talking about a mansion, I mean any single family home. They are building them quickly, but more than half of them are being gobbled up by investors instead of single families. They are being bought for millions, making it nearly impossible for the middle class to afford. Then they are rented out for too much money for your bottom 20% to be able to afford, and more than half of the income of your typical middle class family. Which in turn solidifies their inability to be able to afford to buy a home. It's just not a simple situation.

In our current climate, the only people that are not struggling to increase their wealth are the rich. The rising tide seems to be only raising the luxury yachts. How do we (re)grow the middle class?

No worries, I was super impressed by the answers given in the first couple pages, but here in WoT it is standard operating procedure for threads to morph. We like to blend all of our discussions together here. One that stood out to me was the grasshopper and the ant metaphor that GD mentioned. My issue with it is I think there is a big problem with legitimate complaints about the plight of the real workers getting mixed up with the idea of government handouts. It's not necessarily as simple as telling people on welfare to get a job, because a majority of them have one. Over 50% of fast food workers rely on government handouts as well. The widening gap between the top 1 percent and the rest of the country and the shrinking middle class have little to do with how hard people are working. Now I certainly don't believe that the answer to this issue is more handouts, and I'm as wary of unions as I am bigger government, but there has to be some sort of strategy that will reverse the current course.

For some reason, that CS Lewis quote always makes me think of Prohibition. Which always makes me thirsty.

When you find you have to say such things, you are very probably talking to a social justice warrior. Considering he politely backed off once I explained myself, I have a hard time believing that. If it were true, it would seem to be a rather simple solution to the problem.

You are trying to turn it into a personal discussion instead of a general one. I asked very general questions, and Volourn was kind enough to answer them without going after specific people. It would be great if others could do the same. I am sure it a page or two it will devolve into the standard arguing style of the forums, no need to rush it.

Bruce, can you just let people respond instead of hijacking the thread? Thanks.

I am not sure they are following Robert's Rules of Order there.

A couple years ago the term SJW started to become a popular label, and I remember asking what makes an SJW. I tried to go back and find that thread, but there seems to be hundreds of threads that have talked about SJW's since then. I mean, there was this thread, but it didn't seem to really answer any questions, just show zany stuff on the interwebs. Plus, labels tend to change over time, so I am curious if the definition has changed in the current climate. So what is a Social Justice Warrior? What actions would you need to take to earn such a label? Have they affected this forum? Obsidian Entertainment? Do you see them as a problem? What is the solution?

Some would settle for being allowed to take a bathroom break. Golden age, no doubt. But for whom? That's terrible! Thank you for sharing, I signed a petition on change.org over conditions in Arkansas for that.

I tend to feel the impetus is on the poster to make sure they are understood. Also: This is morose. Whether it is true or not, that's pretty much a textbook definition for what you've written.

Did you feel that answered my question? I mean, it was an interesting post from a slightly morose and somewhat haughty perspective, and it wrapped up nicely with some good music. But I don't believe it did anything to answer the question.

Extremely thankful. Hence the chipper outlook and sunny disposition.

We live in a time where we are all free to gather online and complain, and it is glorious.

Can you point to a time in western civilization where things were better?

Kind of like how posters here are always droning on about SJW's despite the fact no one here really seems to be one.

If it makes you feel better, I left my son's iPad on the roof of the car yesterday, and it shattered into a million pieces. So my life isn't perfect. *shrug* In regards to Fort McMurray, how amazing is it that they were able to evacuate everyone? You can always rebuild homes, and they will, but what a job by everyone in this disaster. We nearly had to evacuate a number of years back for a wildfire that burned 50,000 acres in the hills behind us, and I remember how chaotic it was. We lost firefighters in that one. It's shocking that the only people that have lost their lives in Canada have been from an auto accident, hopefully that is the full count.

I am checking my books, but I can't seem to find anything about feminism, language, and welfare causing the collapse of the Roman Empire. We live in a Golden Age, don't you ever take any time to enjoy it?

Through the looking glass...

Not according to Firaxis: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-06-firaxis-xcom-is-a-very-very-big-budget-game It might be slimmed down now though, with the sequel only being on the PC.

The day that the members of this forum start sinking to the same levels as these politicians is the day this forum dies.