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I Love this game! I will probably have THe NBA copyright lawyers on my ass for that, but its true! I mean i have played a LOT of RPGs but I have to think that this takes the cake. When Xbox 2 comes out the designers can really up teh graphics becasue they will knwo that both systems (PC and Xbox) can handle it. Story line is intelligent, complex, interactive, and phenominal. Its based on the Star Wars Universe. It makes VAST improvements on the Original Kotor from a design point of view (robes, items, weather effects, FOrce powers, FOrce power and combat animations, Dark side facial features, the list goes on and on. It has unparalled replay value. Some people have played through the game about 6 times which totals to approximately 180 hours of playing time. This is partly due to the nature of teh KOTOR series in general because u can choose your Jedi Class and Alignment, but is made even more replayable, enjoyable, and customizable because of the Prestige Classes. Final Fantasy series can in no way provide the same rich storyline, or content that this game has. KOTOR II is succesful in combining the magic of star wars with a deep, interesting, and meaningful storyline supported by a superior fighitng system that combines real time combat with the turn based combat most RPGs as not to lose the Star Wars feel. When I first played KOTOR I was NOT a star wars fan, not even a little. I liked Star Wars BUt i think i had only seen the movies about 1 or two TImes each. The Only reason I bought it was because my friend, who believes blindly in everything that EGM claims, said KOTOR was a phenominal game, even though he had never played nor knew anyone who owned it. So I gave it a whirl and now im hooked. But I digress, KOTOR introduced me to Star Wars and actually made it appealing to teh causual gamer and Star Wars fan. TSL built on that in every conceivable way and I truelly find it revolting that peopel bad mouth a game that is so brilliant, becasue if you can not see the greatness of this EPIC RPG but thought KOTOR I was teh greatest thing since sliced bread.... You have no substantial argument and need to remove urself from coming in contact with other human beings. EDIT: I really think this is my favorite RPG of all time for any system PERIOD. And if thier were no glitches and less cut material it might be my favorite game of all tiem but as it stands, the KOTOR series is on my Top 5 of all time and TSL is the best RPG I have ever played. End of Story. P.S.My argument is based on the game if you were to ignore someof its careless flaws such as bugs, the fact that You cant equip bao Dur with Jedi robes, and a few very specific errors that should not truelly be considered when looking at the game as a whole.

pshh one of the best RPGs i have ever played except for abrupt and overly elusive ending. I mean lets not forget they only had 13 months and LA had thier balls in a vice grip from what I understand.

THe game is fun enough without cheating... If u want to kill everyone simply by looking at them knock teh difficulty down to easy and if u want a reasonable challenge knock it up to DIfficult. You PC owners have too much power. GO for teh BOx and play it right the FIRST time. Word.

yes teh soundtrakc WAS amazing but i dont have the balls to drive through my neighborhood blasting STar Wars music, unless i was willing to kick my own ass.

hey was it just me, or did anyone else think that the lockers in the Trayus Academy bore an uncanny resembelence to Nhilius from far away. I almost attacked one twice.

Yes but some people have different futrures depending upon whether u were ls or ds for instance i just finished another play through as LS and I trained all but Mira to be a Jedi and Krei told me that they were the Lost Jedi and that they would come to rebuild the Jedi Order and that all they needed was a leader to teach them, train them, and show them how to wield the force. But if you were going to incorporate that into KOTOR 3 you could have serious problems. It would be cool to see Atton Hand Maiden and Bao Ador on teh Jedi COuncil though...

Umm this is just a quick question. In the Trailer/Intro for TSL you see PC fighitng on Onderon with Two lightsabers surrounded by like 10 guys and he is fighitng them all at once and doing some pretty cool attacks with the lightsaber and attacking multiple guys at once. WHen i saw that Trialer the first time I thought being a Jedi Weapons master and getting new Saber techniques would change ur fighting animations...It didn't. I was wondering if the Crazy cool fighting animations were made specifically for the Demo/ Trailer or if they were originally supposed to be included, but were cut at the last minute for some reason.

I know that Darth SPock but becasue those SOBs did nto make KOTOR 2 Xbox LIve enabled liek they did with KOTOR I i cant downlaod new content, I need a whoel new game. Im screwed either way...

hey you might as well try to talk sense into them. Below is teh address to a site with Lucas Arts PR people's addresses. http://www.knights2end.com/index.php?topic=11.0

Yeah i would rather see this restoration project get finished it looks amazing thus far from what i have seen from teh website. Unfortuantely it leaves the XBox players such as my self screwed as usual... I guess that is the tradeoff for being able to sit on the couch and play TSL on a 36 inch TV. Is there anything specifying the fall of Atris to the Dark Side like flashbacks or cutscenes of her turnign more and more Sith? P.S. I went onto you forum Auroa and emailed teh three Lucas Arts Public relations people voicing my thoughts. everyoen else can too: http://www.knights2end.com/index.php?topic=11.0 I would say a few thousand emails shouold do the job...

I honestly think the author of this thread is Dennis Miller.

Thats why i don't have anymore consoles . PC versions are always better for many reasons: -Updates -Mods -Online Multi-Player (Most consoles don't offer this) -Cheats/Trainers (without a gameshark, game genie , action replay ...) -Others (which i won't mention) Don't get me wrong here i totally respect console's players , a gamer is a gamer , after all we are the best cause without us the game developpers would'nt have a business at all <{POST_SNAPBACK}> XBox has ALL of that ass well. But KOTOR II is not online enabled for content download at all, even though KOTOR I was, that seems VERY fishy to me considering TSL came out well after Xbox live virtually establsihed itself as a requirement for all newly released games.

The only way i would say i dont want to see a Redux would be if K3 answered all the opened endings in K2 in depth (which i doubt it will do) because I liked be Revan Rather than teh Exile who was actaully a killer of the Force, not very heroic. But the storyline was still great.

I really wish they released the game in a finished version. I would spend another 50 bucks if they added enough story and replaced all the cuts to tide us over till K3 for Xbox 2 and PC.

wait is the Exile gonan brign aobut a death to the force or What? I was basically the LS version of Nhilius or teh DS Equivalent of him. WHidch measn i consume and i need to kill force sensatives in order to live. So what hapens to teh Jedi council at teh end of teh game and what happens to me and the Force? Im all for clifhangers but this is just ridiculous their was nto a cliff hanger ending this was an anti ending and with no sequel in the works i felt SEVERLY Blue Balled by the rich plot line up to the end.

Umm i fully disagree the TSL combat was more complex and there were more overall enemies. I just wish we could have fought more Daker Jedi and Sith Lords. P.S. The TSL storylien is obviously better because i think it is a greater and deeper conversation peice, much more interesting and makes u play teh game multiple times to grasp it. I mean look at all teh topics that talk aobut the storyline, people discuss TSL storylien WAY more than KOTOR I casue their is only one piece of complexity in Kotor i, Your PC beign Revan, thats about it. TSL is ten times deeper ,ten times more involved, and ten times more interesting than KOTOR I.

Good post, im glad someone is on my side, I played the KOTOR games in order and I do think the second one is better, longer, and smoother (both animations and storyline). I really think TSL would be one of the best rpg's of all time had it been FINISHED. I proposed that Obsidian finish the game, put in the full Korriban world, polish the storyline, get a better ending, and focus a little more on what happend to the Jedi Council, Atris, Your Party and, why Atris fell and to what extent As i recall Kreai kills the Jedi council but then when I met Atris on Telos at the end I told her that i would let the Jedi Council come up with a punishment. I mean the game was excellent but once u returned to Dantooine to meet the Council it went to fast and all that rich and sophisticated building up of the stopryline came to an end too fast, to sloppily, and too confusingly. It is a crime agaisnt humanity those developers worked so hard and did such a great job but it just was not finished and it disgusts me. Which is a shame because i think many people do not appreciate how amazing that storyline nor to they realize how great it could have been had it not been cut due to the developers time restraint. But I digress, they shoudl finsih teh game release it in six months, and call it TSL Redux. Finish that puppy up and im not jsut talking about a computer expansion update casue that jsut fixes bugs and adds items and screws over Xbox Owners. But anyway... TSL is teh better game, people just fail to realize it because of teh bad taste it left in many gamers mouthes. P.S. I did not realize how great TSL was until my second playthrough. BUt i never ofund Jedi Kight or Jedi Master robes in TSL and that pissed me off BIG time. I wanted like a Blue robe like we had in KOTOR I, but a little more flowing Fabirc.

You HAVE to go with emperor Palpetien becasue Revan can be LS in Kotor. We know Revan was a Powerfull DARK JEDI, but was he really sith? Well actually i think it says in KOTOR 2 that the Sith have yet to actually show themselves fully, Sith is a belief and Revan, I THINK, was only a DARK JEDI, never was he formally taught in the ways of the sith. Finally, we dont knwo enough aobut Revan to Fully call him teh greatest SIth lord anyway, assuming you argue he is in fact a sith lord. We know hes strong, but he was taken over by the enemy and never reached hsi full potential as an evil Lord.

yeah it is a good point, i dotn have teh time for a massive onle game.. but the idea of a KOTOR MMORPG. is good, jsut so long as it is not KOTOR III and is seperate from teh Kotor lien of games that exists now

u mean 30 hour play through?

Will you all stop B*itchen about how u hated TSL? What the hell were u expecting? THe game improves upon the first game in nearly every aspect except argueably the end storyline, and everyone loved KOTOR. so dont be whiny little girls casue i really cant stand teh pessimism. This game is jsut as good if not better than KOTOR and u all think you know what ur talking about but im sure most of you woudl be pissed no matter how the game turned out. If they used a brand new system you woud be whingin how it did not follwoe the D20 system close enough or that the old gameplay was fine. ($SPOILER$) KOTOR 2 was a good stoy up untill teh last two worlds when u realized you could never be a jedi, never be a sith lord, didn't really have a connection to teh force, manipulated other around you, and the Sh*t hit the fan with Atris and teh Jedi council. ($END SPOILER$) Other than the dissappoint finnishings of teh storyline TSL is vastly superior to KOTOR in everyway. It was the same difficulty and it had teh same KOTOR gameplay only it was on steroids with new powers and skills The main improvementsI PERSONNALLy enjoyed. -COmbat styles and force stances -Improved effectiveness of non lightsaber wielding players (Atton and mandalore) -Deeper conversation choices - Prestige Classes SUre there were a few poor points like -shortage of Dark Jedi to fight throught the game -Bugs -Deadliens with characters (Mira) Dumb conclussion But other than that it was the same game as kotor jsut with new tricks, which i enjoyed casue it was Kotor with a twist and a fresh character and new worlds. So if u liked KOTOR Stop bitching unless u can back up ur opinion with solid fact instead of pure conjecture.

You where still taking points of damage? My sentinal 15/ Jedi Master 12 easily could kill any room full of enemies without talking any damage and not even denting my force points. I killed one of the "sithlord" with one hit, the other two I only had to do two critical strikes to take there vps down all the way.......uberlame <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OK well there is only so much they can do. The game already takes a solid 30-40 hours to beat, its mentally challenging to a certain degree since it takes 4 hours per world, and there are a few battles i had seriosu trouble wiht, On Nar SHadda when the aliens board the Hawk my jedis died and i had to resort to Guerilla tactics with Mandalore (which was actualy quite satisfying and made me see how much more valuabale blaster wielders are in this game as oppossed to KOTOR 1). What exactly are u asking for? Harder enemies? Cause I died several times in this game. and considering ur supposed to be one of the greatest jedis of the time, you should easily be able to kick a sith lord's ass. But i know what u mean about being able to kill a room full of enemies. Force storm takes 150 damage and can easily clear a room full of guys in a singel use but if u think thats cheap jsut dont use it. WIthout a doubt the gameplay in this game IS VASTLY improved form the original KOTOR even if the reviewers say its a rehash.. they are full of sh*t and someone needs to point out all the changes. THey can only make the game so difficult, since u have to fight so many people and be invovled in so many battles in order to beat the game if every battle was hard then no-one would ever finnish. One of the only problems I have is when u are fighting a Dark Jedi like a Jedi Maruader, the battles should not be as fast. I can kill a Sith Maruader in 3 seconds or less, even though during that 3 seconds he can take a good chunk of my life away. THerfore one revisiosn i would make is reduce the ammounts of damage both you AND your enemies deal out ONLY when fighting others trained in the force because it makes snes that both ur defenses would be higher and niether of you woudl recieve as much damge. But when fighitng soemone like a bounty hunter, it shoudl be an easy kill and you shoudl deal out massive damage. But keep the vitality, thereby giving teh allussion of a harder fight. Plus let us not forget that this is not a regful RPG its difficulty must also be looked out in teh various tasks u need to complete and the effort it takes to complete the game and all of the mini missions. But I do agree the game seems liek it is way to easy and that a baby coudl beat it, but i mean it takes 35 hours of gameplay to beat, there are puzzles in it, it has great replay value, and if you really want a challenge play the game only using ur main character. Basically what im asking you Hades is if your beef is with the fighting only or teh game as a whole. Becasue i only agree that at times the fighitng is too easy, but a 40 hour game to me can not be considered easy simply because it takes so much effort to push through it.

THe ebon hawk was destroyed when u crashed on teh planet.. even if it did not fall down the cliff, it shoudlnt be able to fly.. period. Heres a bug for you, i foudn and ultima pearl on Malachor V... its a crystal for teh lightsaber but guess what, YOU CANT USE IT CSAUE U CANT GET IN YOUR SHIP TO THE WORKBENCH! WHAT TYPE A CRAP WAS THAT!!!

The story lien was absolutely great, it was deep ait was involved. I loved it and think it was a great job. But it wasnt satisfying. No matter if u choose light or dark. Your still teh bad guy that is not wanted by teh council and is not wanted by the sith. You were designed to brign about the end of teh force and that is not a very good plot for soemone who wants to be a master jedi and become part of teh council, or a sith lord and rule the galaxy. Sobasically the story and plot was phenominal unti lu got 4/5s doen and realized that the jedi, even htough u reunited tyhem and saved them wanted to exile you again and wanted to get rid of you. It was horrible closure even though it was great upuntil the last two worlds.

I dont play SWG my friend bought it a year or two ago and tells me how ****y it is and how he wasted his coin on a two year deal Not all massive online RPGs are like that man The Final fantasy was good, and so was everquest. I think neve rplayed either, but they were succesfful. Ok heres my idea what they coudl do is tkae the KOTOR tiem period, not EXACTLY teh same tiem as the xbox games maybe a couple hundred years before or after and have masive jedi-sith wars. This way when u play u can choose to either becoem a jedi or a sith or a bounty hunter or soemthing good liek that. the point is if it was done right it COULD work, and it could be great.