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No it doesnt. You are expressing thoughts, please start expressing emotions with your words. No, how it makes you feel not what it is.

This thread is about pure emotions. And it is largely about good pure emotions. But none of you would actually directly express those good emotions. BruceVC is a good example - guy refuses to share his emotions with us in this thread, but he keeps talking about them anyway. Everything he says is largely just pure emotion, but he finds a way to express that emotion indirectly with pseudointellectual sounding talk - in other words he is expressing emotions, but disguising them as thoughts. Thats why it sounds like utter nonsense. From a thought perspective, it is pure nonsense, but from an emotion perspective, it is extremely meaningful, its just that it is expressed in a hardcore dysfunctional way. Dear friends, if you are going to discuss emotions, please have the courage to say out loud - romance with Viconia made me feel really ****ing great because it made me tingle inside. Discuss whatever you want, but could we at least stop disguising our emotions as thoughts? That doesnt do anything useful and doesnt lead anywhere.

No I did not, I quoted what you said and responded to that.

YES IT IS. THAT IS ****ING EMOTIONS FRIEND. Now what I am asking you *cough* *cough*, is what emotions you experienced with regards to this romance with Viconia. Because I dont experience much emotions related to romance in RPGs so I have little to no ****ing idea of how and why romance in RPGs is an enjoyable thing and I want to find that out. I also want to find out what the **** are we even discussing here anyway in the first place? Huge ****ing mystery after 28 pages of thread. I think it comes down to us discussing pure emotions in thsi thread which is largely meaningless to me. **** this I am out.

And its less blurry wtf? ISO screenshot of that please. I want to judge it for myself.

So? Why is that important to you? Why does it matter to you that you remember them? Are you just saying you have really enjoyed romance in the context of roleplaying so much that it has been extremely memorable for you? Thats cool, now WHY did you enjoy romance in these RPGs? Emotions? What emotions did it cause in you? Butterflys in your stomach? Or what? What are the good emotions and what exactly is it about romance in RPGs that emulates real romance so well that gives you those good emotions?

That says ****ing nothing important about the poor person WHO GOT KILLED. It is never important, period. You barely need to know who did it to punish them and thats that. WAT? You dont actually expect anything from anyone do you? That would be very unwitting of you.

I agree with this, finally. IF ITS DONE REALLY DAMN WELL for what it is, I guess why not. But it is such a miniscule matter, like holy ****, why are we even discussing it? Its fine to discuss it AS SUCH, but I dont understand why is there even so much to discuss? I know I am discussing just as much as anyone here, but I dont really myself understand why. If anyone knows why are we discussing the **** out of such small matters like having a little crush on your adventuring partner, doing cute faces to one another and may be giving a hug, please let me know. And if you wanted to say sex, then sex is even less important than those things in my honest opinion. All that is fine but what is there to discuss? Thanks

WHOM DID SHE MURDER? I think its a far more important question who got killed, not who did it. And why do you care about that? This is not an insult, I am just genuinely trying to understand.

Das good.

How else do you achieve such a terrible result? Thye might have painted it but then why did they blur? Its clearly blurry as ****ing hell. I personally think the world map needs to be something concrete, clear, but also beautiful. This is none of those. Blurring ruins it.

I think it probably is intended.

Thats more like love, especially the emotional. Crush is meaningless. Thats my opinion of crush, but if crush is meaningful to you, sure.

And then you arrange for the money to be delivered. Like the jew in Ivanhoe of 1982.

AND WHY I think it is because he needs to emulate what he thinks they feel and feel his emulation in order for it to be meaningful for him. So basically he is an emotional person thats why.

No need to judge even if he is judging himself lol.

Yeah, if you've got a chemical imbalance in your brain. ...Or if your grasp of the English language is really that limited. What you are describing is a crush. But that's not what we've been discussing for the past 28 pages of this thread. Sure, but can't a crush lead to deeper feelings? So its quite possible in a RPG perspective that you meet someone in the party who you immediately are attracted to and within a short amount of time you have a physical relationship and then the feelings develop to something deeper, like love? Hell that happens to me in RL so I can't see why that's not possible in a fantasy RPG? No it doesn happen in RL like that. That was not real love. It was just a deeper crush or affection. If you want to feel like getting a crush on vrtiual characters thats fine though I think. I personally dont however since I dont find crushes very exciting or meaningful at all.

FOR YOU. Not for me. You were portraying purely your opinion as a generally regarded truth which it is not. High budget means nothing other than it guarantees bureacracy in development, which makes it inefficient. Thats why some of those companies have like 1000+ employees and huge budgets, because they cant for the sake of them develop a game efficiently. Now compare that to Obsidian doing Pillars in what 2 years?

There's nothing preposterous about that. Again, you're describing standard video game NPC structure. The problem with plugging romances into that template is that the reaction itself never seems to feel right or organic. More to the point: It is not unusual to do a good deed for someone (or a few good deeds) and then they react by becoming your friend. But it DOES feel odd to do that same good deed(s) and suddenly they react by falling in love with you. You are operating under the false notion that "love" or "romance" is no different from any other kind of interpersonal bonding. But the fact of the matter is that it's TONS different. Especially in a video game. If a romance in a video game is to feel anything other than 'tacked on', it must advance past the superficial flirting and friendship level. There has to be much, much more.... More time to develop, more situations, more discussion, more emotion, more focus on the '1 + 1 = Us' theme, etc. And not even Bioware has the budget for all that. Nor can an RPG do all this and remain an RPG. Otherwise, it's best that they save money and time and just implement decent casual sex that is based on implied physical attraction, like the Witcher games do, because at least those can succeed based on both human nature and logic. Not to mention eye-candy appeal <ahem>. In fact it cant be done at all. You either feel love in your heart or you dont and no RPG is going to make me feel that by trying to emulate it. I tend to not feel real love for imaginary characters, even when roleplaying as another imaginary character So at the end of the day, implementing love is not worth it for that. Its only use can come from when it adds something to the roleplaying experience. And it doesnt, for me. Or can someone explain how it does to them? What is important is do YOU think that is the case? I certainly dont.

Devil is in the details Lephys. The style as such is fine. But they made it by taking a high res (and probably 3d) thing and blurring it. Thats why it looks garbage because my eye can detect that. Now if someone had actually painted that with aquarells it'd look completely different. But yeah I can "forgive" this one to Obsidian if they think they got that small of a budget with this game.

So you guys just play bioware because you got nothing better to play? Thats what I have been thinking now for some time. I personally prefer to play nothing or other genres when theres nothing better to play..thats kind of why Ive been awaiting PoE so much since Ill get my hands on an RPG again after a long while.

Ah is good. Nothing like a good roleplay.

Combat mechanics are bad so not worth making manual Yeah obsidian, in case you are reading this with tears in your eyes, it was rather humour than not, even if the combat mechanics are bad (I dont know?)

Spiritual death that is. Id rather roleplay in a more jolly universe that is medieval inspired where this was not the case as in some totally rotten universe like where we live in in the modern world where we do have this. But I am having a terribly difficult time reading that article because it makes me laugh hysterically In fact, I just cant properly read it. Anyone care to do my dirty work for me and then sum up the loads of sense very shortly? I am really interested in where that loads of sense lies exactly.

So what games do you like? Do you like turn based?