Gfted1

Dont be dissing The Last Starfighter.

Heh, I noticed the 'fro too. BTW, what the point in sending out a mass invite to something only 14 people can attend? That had to be filled in a nanosecond.

Even the SMG has its own night vision!

How the hell do you pretend to know this? Show me another UHC that covers 300+ MILLION people and then we can compare apples to apples.

Of course he knows that from the other 75 times it was explained to him. Between this thread and the Apple thread I think it pretty clear hes abandoned any pretenses of having serious conversations.

You are correct but Id like to point out that that is a fairly recent development. Less than 70 years ago we willfully fire bombed the crapola out of Germany and Japan without blinking. Everyone pisses and moans about the nukes when far far more civilians died to bombs specifically designed to set everything on fire and delivered on cities.

Er, ok. So the nation building thats been wildly sucessful in Germany and Japan following WWII should just be ignored due to your comparion with the current wars that arent even over yet? And dont look now, but were just about out of Iraq and they seem to be doing just fine.

Thank god Chicago didnt get the Summer Games: A $1 Billion Hangover From an Olympic Party

My condolences Kor. On the bright side, at least you didnt get married before you guys figured out it wasnt working.

Just now finding out about the mighty Staff of the Magi?!?! Heh, youre in for a treat next playthrough.

Hint: this situation will never happen. Firstly, because Israel has the bomb. I don't really need to give other reasons because that one's plenty. Oh ok, since you said so.... Yes, truley baffling. Oh wait, Iran constantly proclaims to the world that they want to "wipe Israel from the map" while Isreal has never threatens anyone. Obviously thats exactly the same.

Whats a wall-party?

Hint: Iran has no intention of occupying Israel, but of destroying it. The dont need to go through anybody when they can accomplish their goal by going over everyone via ballistic missile.

That was fast, didnt need much work?

Didn't Numbers already cover this? Dunno, I didnt review the last 8 pages before replying. I must have missed it, why dont you bring me up to speed since you seem to have nothing better to do.

Im getting off tangent here as I was only disputing "torture doesnt work" but I'll answer your question. For the sake of this conversation, lets say it was the only method. Time is of an essence and you either torture the information out of him or people will die. What do you do? EDIT: No, I wouldnt torture someone to protect child-rapists, who would? Not all pigs are created equally after all. EDIT2: Ah, "potential" child-rapists. Well, thats just too abstract to answer clearly. Thought crime, so far, still isnt illegal so "potential" doesnt factor in.

I see. Well that falls on the morality side of things and thats a lot stickier. Is it moral to torture someone? Is it moral to let people die that otherwise would have been saved by the information torture supplied? How big is that number, is it ok to let 10 people die to protect your morality but not 100 people?

Hmm, I cant catch the reference. I dont watch on purpose but if something interesting is happening while I flip by then Ill stop and watch for a few minutes.

Most "terrorists" are uneducated dirtfarmers who have been indoctrinated / brainwashed into dying for allah. They arent some supersoldiers who have received the highest training to resist torture.

*sigh* Its like Ive become the mayor of Crazytown. 1) Of course Ive never been tortured. Whats that have to do with anything? Ive also never been lit on fire but I dont need to to know it hurts. 2) What? Prove an improvable wasnt provable by other means? Again, whats that have to do with anything? Whats being debated is "torture doesnt work". I dont care if there are other ways (debatable), Im disputing how all you experts in the matter *know* that "torture doesnt work". Its utterly ridiculous for those words to even leave your fingertips when 100% of the people reading this would cave to torture and provide every last detail asked of them.

What Im saying is that all the examples "of how all we need is a kind smile" are contrived. A lonely guy at a bar wants to speak about what he did to an interested fellow armed service member? Shocking! A hitman and drug dealer being interviewed by a journalist told him stuff? Inconceivable! Chat up a hostile enemy into giving up secret information? I dont think so. And just for the record, Im not debating morals or ethics but the absurd comment that "torture doesnt work". I mean, what? Are we just going to ignore thousands of years of successful torture to support some newage feelgood crapola? Ill bet you that not one person here wouldnt spill their guts of everything they know if put to the test.

ToB had a "neutral" path? I cant remember it atm, was it only introduced in Ascension mod? (I didnt play that one)

Yes, a friendly bloke drinking at the bar and people that *want* to tell their stories to journalists for their own gains are exactly the same as trying to extract secret information from a battle hardened trooper. All they need is a little understanding and a kind ear and they will spill their guts.

Well look at the fancypants with the SSD. Is there a noticable increase in performance?

Yeah, well I call BS. I know if someone was coming at my weiner with a hot poker that I would sing like a canary. Not false info, not partial info, full disclosure of whatever they wanted to know. A skilled interrogator will know when youve snapped and are just spouting nonsense. Also, they probably already know the general range of what you would possibly know. They arent going to interrogate a field grunt into telling them what the launch codes are, DUH. They will ask things he could possibly know: wheres the rest of your squad, how many of you are there, etc... Now with *every*single*thing* being classified as torture all were left with is harsh glares? C'mon. OMG, we made them listen to Metallica, OH THE HUMANITY! What? They had to stand for 12 hours!!! Call the press!