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And when we are in it. How do you feel about those riots against imigrants in JAR?
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No we don't have the two sides balanced I don't think there is a single person on these forums who doesn't think that Boko Haram is a reprehensible and anachronistic organisation that deserves to be annihilated , I started the original thread condemning them and there actions http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/66161-boko-haram-and-the-kidnpping-of-the-school-girls/?hl=%2Bboko+%2Bharam But I fail to see why we can't be aware of things that basically offend the entire global Muslim community, and this is no excuse for acts of violence, and also unequivocally condemn the likes of Boko Haram? I don't see the connection between the two? Well the connection is that we are not cutting heads of muslims in our western society because of some Boko Haram muslim representatives
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Bruce, finely get it right, there is only one freedom of speech. There might be topics which are more 'hot' than others, it doesnt mean they dont deserve same protection. I think you are touchy because today someone is trying to portrait it as attack on muslims. Its not the case. For example confucionism (do I get it spelled properly?) is just cast system. If there would be same caricature gallery about confucionism cast system and someone try to bomb it I would say same things I am saying now.
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For the vast majority of Muslims they don't " want " to be offended They are offended because there religion tells them that images of the Prophet are not allowed and they therefore believe this. So is it really that hard for us as Westerners to at least sympathize with this view and try to understand it. Its not rational, it comes from a religious perspective and since when are religions rational? Well, islam tells them that stoning is right punishment. Do you support stoning to please them? Or do you at least sympathize with it? If something is religion dogma it doesnt mean i have to sympathize with it correct?
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Well you got your answear for you then. For you its not worth. For me? I dont care. If there are 'people' who kill someone because someone else done something in other country - well, not much I can do about it, those 'people' are probably retarded on their own and no matter my actions they will still be. Point is that they are not allowed to kill people in country where freedom of speech still exists. And even if that gallery was provocative it show us that those 'people' are now already in countries with freedom of speech. So its kind of rat trap. And in this particular example - well working one. We are -2 rats in america now. Job well done
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A valid point, though not very helpful to the question. Let's put it a different way, should the protection of free speech be without limits? So should anyone who decides to provoke a group that is easy to antagonize receive protection? Jaded has summarized my point in this post and previous ones he made about this particular issue For me we know people have a legal right to this art exhibition and they have a right to demand and expect police protection, in this case they also invested in private security But at what cost? Is the right to free speech worth this because ultimately what does this exhibition even mean? We know there are such things as Islamic extremists but we also know only a small percentage of Muslims are extremists. Yet I can guarantee you most Muslims will find these pictures offensive as pictures of the Prophet are not allowed, and these pictures are not just normal pictures they are extreme So Wilder's and his associates have there day and from the safety of Texas they can insult Islam through a satirical perspective but what are the consequences? Now in some conservative and benighted country like Yemen or Afghanistan some Westerner gets his head chopped off because he was American or European and its directly because of these extremists acting because of the perceived insult towards Islam from " Westerners" So I ask again " is this type of art exhibition worth it " ? Not sure what are you still asking. Many people here already replied to you. Lets rephrase your question. 'Is it worth protect freedom of speech if someone will kill people because of it?' reply and we will see
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A valid point, though not very helpful to the question. Let's put it a different way, should the protection of free speech be without limits? So should anyone who decides to provoke a group that is easy to antagonize receive protection? In short? Yes. As far as you keep to the law you always should be protected
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Well, it seems we actually can get game based on movie which is better than the movie (we will see how good the movie will be to begin with)
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Yep, we are doomed
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Well, I kind of liked DX:HR even with its flawes so I have to buy it if its going to be featuring my country (even tho we dont speak russian
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For every self declared feminist you bring who campaigns against prostitution I'll raise you one who hails prostitution and porn as a symbol of female empowerment and autonomy. Which is why his point is simply silly. Prostitution is controversial, far from being a one-sided affair. And since Obsidian probably doesn't want to and definitely can't resolve the matter, the only PC thing this would bring about is simply omittance. And omitting things for fear of controversy is detrimental to the idea of art. I actually don't object to prostitution, in the game or IRL. Many things related to it, for sure, but there are plenty of sex workers who enjoy their jobs and I think it would be silly for me to tell them what they should think. But that's a tangent. I'm just pointing out the nerd rage produced by someone objecting to it... and then them calling the other side touchy. I would gladly enjoy those guys, problem is that if we dont get 'nerd rage' they are actually winning in pushing those crazy ideas upton us. Look on Obs, they are considering removing that memorial joke. Yeah if they would not I would gladly ignore it