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I would certainly never refer to KOTOR as a masterpiece. In some ways TSL is a vast improvement over the original, in others not so much, but I enjoyed the overall complexity much more. For every muddled happenstance (i.e. the awkward reunion of the remaining Jedi) there was a moment of sheer brilliance, that first dialogue with Atris being a prime example. In fact dialogue overall was a vast improvement over KOTOR, the exile is given the chance to be a fully fleshed out protagonist with depth and history. History! A fantastic approach to the past, the fact that we never SEE the conflict, we can only hear it from different perspectives and make our own judgments. I think it an enormously effective tactic, drawing the player in, forcing us to think and to question. As for undeveloped characters, the depth (of lack there of) of Nihilus and Sion is to be expected given the overall theme of secrecy. To some extent they are decoys for the real antagonist whose depth and motivation put a thuggish Malak to shame. And Atris, oh Atris. To be honest we are given plenty of allusions towards her character and her feelings towards the exile, past and present. Though flawed you have to admire TSL's subtlety and the regard it extends towards the player, allowing us to actually think and deduce as much as we like, as opposed to being told.

What does it matter what they cut. The finished article is more than satisfactory.

Really? And how do you do that? Is it a workbench glitch?

Ahh, I see. Thank you. I've juiced up my double wielding feat but I can't find anything but short lightsabers to use in the offhand.

I apologize for to overall crapp-ee-ness of this question but, having made my lightsaber on Dantooine how exactly do I build another and where might I acquire the parts?

The Metal Age is the best of the trilogy, surely.

Well, lets be honest here, TSL is frankly an impressive game and if anything has marred its success its the ungodly high expectations of people like you. In the words of Kuato (of Total Recall fame) 'open your mind' or else, in the words of Benny (also of Total Recall fame) 'I'm gonna drill you sucker!' Hmm. That made more sense in my head.

I'm replaying through Planescape at the moment. Haven't done so in years and I'm reminded of how incredible a game it is. I can't offer much else that hasn't already been mentioned though. Planescape, the Baldur's Gate series, Arcanum. [sHAFT] It's all good, baby. :cool: [/sHAFT] I see someone has mentioned the fantastical Thief trilogy however. Perhaps I could recommend Deus Ex or Invisible War? I'm not sure how relevant that is to the topic though. Out of interest ... Septerra Core. A western effort at a Final Fantasy style game. Has anyone played it? I've read mixed reviews.

I think Kreia is one of the best video game characters I've ever encountered, but she is more than a little critical when it comes to Atton. By the way Eji. Is that your artwork? It looks great.

I dislike how so many fixate on the few short comings. TSL was a consistantly entertaining and involving game, more so than the original. Yes, it had a flawed ending, but this was a flawed ending to a thrilling game. I look forward to all Obsidians future projects.

I'm using the short haired hispanic PC head. I've taken a shine to him, like I did to scarface beardo in the original KOTOR.

Not so much a real ending as an alternate one. As to whether they should change it, no. The game has been released. Whats done is done.

Why repost irrelevant topics?

He was a well devoloped character. The backlash was part of some irrational homoerotic love of Snake.

Could he not, hire something out?

Will you people stop complaining. Do you have nothing better to do? No body owes you anything.

The nameless one can't die and neither do you while playing the game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That could have been very funny.

I don't think so, no.

Now I understand that you have your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it, but perhaps voicing it in a less obnoxious way would save me having to dig my incisors into my keyboard. Its bizarre how I haven't seen such extreme points of view in the many impartial reviews I've read. Over analysing and high expectations on your part I feel. I hate this, the backlash. Prime examples being Deus Ex: Invisible War and Thief: Deadly Shadows. Both sequels like TSL, very fine games, ripped to shreds by over critical obsessives who, not being able to see past their blind expectations, simply refuse to enjoy the game for what it is.

She lied to gain influence?

Malak was two dimentional. No side of his persona was explored, other than the archetypal rhetoric spewing sith. Take for example, his relationship with Revan. A wonderful opportunity, a friendship warped by the DS, yet it was left unexplored. And never in my life have I witnessed such gratuitous and wanton use of the words, pathetic and worthless.

From what I've read in Maria's storyline thread there is a valid reason for this.

I agree absolutely. This was the game's essential problem. Maybe we should launch a site called BringBackRevan for KotorIII. The Star Trek community has this BringBackKirk thing, so why not? :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't understand all this Revan worship. He was essentially two dimensional. It irks me so. People often say KOTOR was about redemption, yet not once did BioWare confront Revan's genocidal past. No guilt whatsoever. Left bare like his relationship wilh Malak. Don't get me started!