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Took an exam, have to get several reports in, and am running on 3 hours of sleep, caffeine, and various energy supplements. I'm considering bombarding myself with gamma rays and hoping for the best.

I'm doing it anyways.

"No." Nice dodge.

I'll join in the wild mass guessing regardless, and hazard the guess that they're of the eminently reasonable "oh my god, this whole thing is dumb" opinion.Nice dodge. Says the guy whose knee-jerk reaction to a fairly likely explanation of why Obsidz might not want to wade in this whole mess is "DOESN'T MATTER IT'S FOLLY TO THINK ABOUT IT". Nice dodge.

I'll join in the wild mass guessing regardless, and hazard the guess that they're of the eminently reasonable "oh my god, this whole thing is dumb" opinion.Nice dodge. Not really, its a very valid reason said in a polite way why Obsidian wouldn't want to be associated with GG I wouldn't if I was a developer. End of the day I consider you guys the more moderate supporters of GG but there are real misogynists who regularly participate in GG. Why would you think that Obsidian that is company that takes its view of gender representation seriously want to be associated with people like that? I'm not saying it isn't an acceptable reason, I'm saying that the reason is unknown and attempting to guess why is a waste of time and is frankly irrelevant. What I take issue with is the characterization of GG as a bunch of entitled white guys upset that they are being driven out, as "perceived outrage certain gamers feel due to the subjective definition of a word" implies. Part of the reason I support GG is because the one-sided coverage of it by the press at large. To me, it is the straw that has broken the camels back after years of biased reviews, publisher smooshing, and a low quality in standards.

I'll join in the wild mass guessing regardless, and hazard the guess that they're of the eminently reasonable "oh my god, this whole thing is dumb" opinion. Nice dodge.

There's a word that starts with a "b" and ends with "eta" that explains this.

Actually "for many people, the fact that GG has its roots in what's widely perceived as an organized harrassment campaign against Zoe Quinn is enough to turn them off the whole movement on principle, regardless of what it's morphed into since (which is not necessarily a very rational stance, but there you have it)" is a perfectly valid argument on Bruce's part, which you haven't addressed thus far. Too bad he didn't make that argument then. His argument was that Obsidian might not have come out in support of GG because stuff. I listed several different reasons why they might not have come out in support, and made the statement that trying to come up with a reason why they haven't is folly. Try again.

No strawman from me Bruce. I can't be blamed for your inability to be clear. I've already provided a counterpoint to your assumption, to which you replied with a very vague condemnation of GamerGate's extremists. If you can't be bothered to address your strawman, don't blame me.

You welcome to point out I am making a strawman but it would be wrong A point was raised that Obsidian should support GG and a whole load of reasons were given why they should or shouldn't. Except the obvious reason that maybe Obsidian doesn't support it because they think the entire GG initiative is completely misplaced....or maybe ...just maybe Obsidian also believes in certain points around transformation in the gaming industry and GG does more harm than good as it distracts the discussion with all this " accurate information about the situation" Not everyone automatically thinks GG is a great idea KP Or Chris Avellone ate everyone at Obsidian. We don't know why Obsidian hasn't addressed GamerGate, and any attempts to guess why is just pulling stuff out your ass. As to your strawman, you keep misrepresenting what people are bothered about. And that somehow if you are pro GamerGate you condone harassing people. Fundamentally GamerGate is about dissatisfaction with gaming journalists. If you're going to argue against it, at least have the decency to address what it is actually about. Of course I am not saying everyone on GG has the same motives. There are some legitimate points raised by some people on it. But unfortunately you have your extremists along with your moderates. So many people won't be associated with it because of the extremist elementAnd the extremists have been condemned here, so why keep bringing them up? Now that's a strawman, I thought we were talking about why Obsidian doesn't actively support GG? I gave you a reason why, now you asking why am I bringing it up because "that has already been condemneD" Your point has nothing to do why Obsidian may or may not support GG You aren't very good with English. We were talking about how you keep misrepresenting what GamerGate is about, not why Obsidian hasn't said anything about it.

You welcome to point out I am making a strawman but it would be wrong A point was raised that Obsidian should support GG and a whole load of reasons were given why they should or shouldn't. Except the obvious reason that maybe Obsidian doesn't support it because they think the entire GG initiative is completely misplaced....or maybe ...just maybe Obsidian also believes in certain points around transformation in the gaming industry and GG does more harm than good as it distracts the discussion with all this " accurate information about the situation" Not everyone automatically thinks GG is a great idea KP Or Chris Avellone ate everyone at Obsidian. We don't know why Obsidian hasn't addressed GamerGate, and any attempts to guess why is just pulling stuff out your ass. As to your strawman, you keep misrepresenting what people are bothered about. And that somehow if you are pro GamerGate you condone harassing people. Fundamentally GamerGate is about dissatisfaction with gaming journalists. If you're going to argue against it, at least have the decency to address what it is actually about. Of course I am not saying everyone on GG has the same motives. There are some legitimate points raised by some people on it. But unfortunately you have your extremists along with your moderates. So many people won't be associated with it because of the extremist element And the extremists have been condemned here, so why keep bringing them up?

You welcome to point out I am making a strawman but it would be wrong A point was raised that Obsidian should support GG and a whole load of reasons were given why they should or shouldn't. Except the obvious reason that maybe Obsidian doesn't support it because they think the entire GG initiative is completely misplaced....or maybe ...just maybe Obsidian also believes in certain points around transformation in the gaming industry and GG does more harm than good as it distracts the discussion with all this " accurate information about the situation" Not everyone automatically thinks GG is a great idea KP Or Chris Avellone ate everyone at Obsidian. We don't know why Obsidian hasn't addressed GamerGate, and any attempts to guess why is just pulling stuff out your ass. As to your strawman, you keep misrepresenting what people are bothered about. And that somehow if you are pro GamerGate you condone harassing people. Fundamentally GamerGate is about dissatisfaction with gaming journalists. If you're going to argue against it, at least have the decency to address what it is actually about.

I tend to agree. But they did claim they were making a spiritual successor to BG2. THEY NEVER CLAIMED THIS. Christ, it is like I am stuck in a freaking loop of insanity seeing the same exact posts, repeated over and over again, all having no basis in any sort of reality. Even if they did, spiritual successor is pretty subjective. As these forums seem to suggest, BG2 and the other IE games were different things to different people. As it is, Obsidian promised and isometric RPG with RTwP combat and a party. From what I can tell, that describes PoE.

Or they could be busy working on making games. Or Obsidian could be made up of different individuals with different opinions. Or they don't want to stir the pot. Or Josh Sawyer is busy sacrificing grognards to the Dark God of Balance. Or any number of reasons why. I would point out that you're making a strawman argument again, and the same one you've been making, but I'm pretty sure you're either trolling or incredibly obtuse so I won't bother.

I now how it is on a phone man, I'm convinced auto-correct is an evil force out to destroy mankind. I agree with you. If you are not enjoying combat, getting a pat on the back every time you kill isn't going to make it better. I can't wrap my head around playing something you don't enjoy just to get an in-game reward, because I play video games to have fun. *shrugs* As it is, Objective XP is the best system for Obsidian's stated goals for PoE. The arguments have been had, the points have been made, and the Dark Lord of Balance has decided that Objective XP is the way PoE will go.

"Yes" No.

"FALSE." No.

The gaming media is actually the Anti-Monitor.

Pretty much. Although I think the press already receives Obsidian games unfairly, and I'm willing to bet PoE will get trashed for some bizare reasons.

"I kinda do but they should really raise the % bonus you get per point. It should be pointed outed if you run with 7 rangers and give them 4 points each on the skill that's 28%. You could 70% discount total. I think it should be raised to 5% per point and then they can raise prices so groups who focus on barter would actually beenfit from it. Maybe even get a boost to it by chr/int." No.

So the game plays well and has beautiful art, but sucks because it went for humor instead of social commentary. What a crock of ****.

Alright, will test this weekend.

I have the GOG version installed currently, would any of this stuff clash with Kaedrin's PrC stuff?

It's cold outside and I'm studying.

I think assuming critical thinking from these articles is a mistake.