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My main issue is that I want a reliable source of news for the hobby I dedicate a significant amount of my time and money towards. I do not like being insulted or talked down to by the entities that are supposed to be providing me with news or that those entities have conflicts of interest regarding certain products. As it is, I do not feel I can trust their opinions on games and feel that they have an axe to grind with me because I don't agree with parts of their message. As someone whose friends and family include racial minorities, homosexuals, and women, I do care about discrimination and equality. I feel that SJWs are doing more harm than good when they are too preachy about it though, and too often they tend to moralize rather than inform or gather support. I think that Feminists who want equality would find more support if they cut ties with the more insane elements of the ideology, rebranded themselves as "gender equalitists", and put a little more focus on issues faced by men. From my perspective, there needs to be a shift from focusing on specific groups to providing a blanket standard of equality to everyone.

Okay look I am trying to be more understanding towards the offense you guys feel around how you feel gaming journalists have treated you But I'll be honest I am battling with it for two main reasons You guys have never cared about gaming journalists before and what they thought. You guys have always basically felt that gaming journalist are corrupt and there opinions don't matter. In the past I have used various gaming websites as a source of information and been told " LOL...why would you take that website seriously " I have been told numerous times that words don't matter on the Internet and people musn't get offended and people must grow think skins. How many times have I posted links about bigotry on the Internet and expected people to be horrified and the normal response is "its the Internet, deal with it" So I see a weird inconsistency with how some of you apply this feeling of being outraged, and I don't understand it. Maybe you can explain to me now why there is such discussion about what gaming journalists have said...surly they are just words that can be ignored?Comprehension isn't your strong suit. 1. There has always been a distrust of gamnng journalists, see doritopope. The difference between doritopope and catching a journalist having a personal relationship with a developer is that there wasn't a concentrated effort by the whole of gaming press to deny corruption and silence/discredit detractors after one of those instances. 2. There is a difference between "I0wnZU" the anonymous douchebag making empty threats and harassing someone than game journalists using their press as a means to attack people. One is an anonymous being that you can not stop or even identify, the other is in a position of authority to ok influence and inform. Reading about what a terrible misogynist dinosaur gamers are from a gaming website is going to carry a little more weight and authority than some anon in a CoD match calling me a **** bitch and informing me that he would like to **** my fat pimply ass after he uses up my dirty whore mother. Well I am trying to comprehend your perspective but as I said I am finding it inconsistent. But thanks for responding. In response That's a fallacy, no gaming journalist is saying there isn't an issue with the gaming journalist industry. Even the cracked article you posted mentions this. But once again the point is that the focus around this corruption is on Zoe Quinn and her sex life instead of the real issues, see this link from 2012http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/10/26/all-the-pretty-doritos-how-video-game-journalism-went-off-the-rails/ There was very little said about this type of issue in the gaming industry, in fact it went under the radar without you guys giving it a second glance Okay the whole "gamers are white, male misogynists " insult from gaming journalists was a badly conceived marketing strategy which seems to have done more harm than good in the greater cause of gender equality. I don't see it like that but I accept that you guys see it like that. Point taken Zoe Quinn's sex life brought attention to this, but to claim that it is the central focus is wrong. People aren't trying to shame her because she cheated on her boyfriend, they're upset that a gaming journalist was having a relationship with someone who the site he worked for covered. Even if he would've never wrote an article even mentioning her, the fact that there is some relationship between a journalistic entity and a subject they are supposed to be covering creates a potential conflict of interest. The focus is not on Zoe, it is on Gaming Journalism.

Okay look I am trying to be more understanding towards the offense you guys feel around how you feel gaming journalists have treated you But I'll be honest I am battling with it for two main reasons You guys have never cared about gaming journalists before and what they thought. You guys have always basically felt that gaming journalist are corrupt and there opinions don't matter. In the past I have used various gaming websites as a source of information and been told " LOL...why would you take that website seriously " I have been told numerous times that words don't matter on the Internet and people musn't get offended and people must grow think skins. How many times have I posted links about bigotry on the Internet and expected people to be horrified and the normal response is "its the Internet, deal with it" So I see a weird inconsistency with how some of you apply this feeling of being outraged, and I don't understand it. Maybe you can explain to me now why there is such discussion about what gaming journalists have said...surly they are just words that can be ignored?Comprehension isn't your strong suit. 1. There has always been a distrust of gamnng journalists, see doritopope. The difference between doritopope and catching a journalist having a personal relationship with a developer is that there wasn't a concentrated effort by the whole of gaming press to deny corruption and silence/discredit detractors after one of those instances. 2. There is a difference between "I0wnZU" the anonymous douchebag making empty threats and harassing someone than game journalists using their press as a means to attack people. One is an anonymous being that you can not stop or even identify, the other is in a position of authority to ok influence and inform. Reading about what a terrible misogynist dinosaur gamers are from a gaming website is going to carry a little more weight and authority than some anon in a CoD match calling me a **** bitch and informing me that he would like to **** my fat pimply ass after he uses up my dirty whore mother.

The article didn't mention it, you and Orogon did. Duh. The article is a hack piece that features several logical fallacies, not the least of which is using ED entries as evidence.

When a bunch of SJWs decided that "gamer" meant "sub-human mostly white males" instead of "someone who plays games". And if you really need someone to explain to you why an op-ed that uses ED articles and anon tweets as proof is bad, you're either being obtuse or a troll.

Drink your tea and get bombed by the krauts, you gutless pansy.

I'll have you know my avatars is among the most trustworthy characters in fiction.

Well after Sensuki mentioned Rectify I checked it out. It's really good, you should watch it as soon as you have some time to kill. IMO, not quite as good as True Detective, but is easily one of the coolest TV shows oh there. Moving on to season 2 tomorrow.

Warning, this is probably the dumbest thing to be posted in this thread. http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-ways-gamers-still-suck-at-dealing-with-women/?wa_user1=4&wa_user2=Video+Games&wa_user3=blog&wa_user4=feature_module What a crock of ****.

The dude who tried to SJW after saying some ****ed up stuff on the RPGCodex?

I call it Bill Maher syndrome. I find Maher's standup to be funny, but his show misses the mark for me. *Shrug*

Wow, way to **** on someone's dreams. I'm glad that when I was trying to find my footing someone like her wasn't there to offer advice.

I could grow a full beard by 15. I choose the 5o'clock shadow, cause most girls seem to like that on me.

When I see people jogging, I usually shout "You can't outrun yourself". They usually pick up the pace, so I assume I'm helping.

Deploying palate cleanser.

Well now I have to watch Rectify. I didn't pick up too much negativity from Sensuki's videos towards Sawyer. More of being critical to the beta, which is what should be done by backers so the devs are aware of problems the target audience has with the game.

Only twice? You need to up your game.

I am looking forward to this moment. Come, Overlords! Come! The spacecraft was delayed. We have to wait a few more months.

I didn't say you were generalizing, I said you were making strawmen. This is a strawman. People aren't denying that sexism exists in society, they just don't like the armchair activists who want to preach to them about ethics. No one in this thread has said that harassing anyone is ok, pointing out that trolls harassing someone =/= a campaign of misogyny is not excusing the actions of trolls. At best you're being obtuse, at worst you're a troll. Gamers does mean all gamers. Duh. If the folks who wrote the articles about how awful "gamers" are didn't mean all Gamers, they should have qualified their statements in the articles they appeared in. It isn't that hard to do. You're right, it was an over the top remark intended as a joke. I'm sure most would understand that, but I know you SJWs like to outrage first and think later.

BG didn't really do that either. If you start off without a full party, you should hit level 2 before the mining town.

Stow it, Gamer. Accept your feminist overlords. This type of comment is unhelpful to this debate, all it does is encourage more invective against the campaign for gender equality which is not the same thing that radical feminists believe. And radical feminists are really what most people are opposed to. Its never good to paint everyone with the same brush KP And stuff like this.... is? You and your strawmen are hilarious. Suppose I can tell my friends I don't think there is any problems with equality because I think some internet activists are full of ****.

Stow it, Gamer. Accept your feminist overlords.

The true Patriarch has been revealed. Ron Swanson.

I dunno, "Boni" sounds like something I'd do to my girlfriend.

I don't always agree with thunderf00t, but getting him banned was a **** move. The more this goes on, the worse these folks look.