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You talk like the characters in other FF games were interesting.

VIII was the first FF game to try to change the core gameplay of the series in a meaningful way that attempted to deal away with the level up grind. It was also one of the few FF games that actually asked you to think while playing. Many hardcore FF players didn't take well to those changes. The storyline was complete crap of course, but it really wasn't any worse than in the rest of the FFs. The crap writing just shone through more because of the subject matter.

And that's one Civ game done... It's now 2 in the morning.

The stupid pop culture references in F2 were awesome. Awesome I say!

I was specifically referring to the "lying down by default" bit.

Not quite. A creationist is more like the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail

I never had that much trouble with the Friendly Arm Inn assassin. Eeven the first I played it, all took was one or perhaps two reloads. It probably helped that my first character was a ranger with high CON, though. Regarding the diagonal movement in BoF, there were a bunch of isometric games in the 80s and early 90s, that did that or at least gave you that control system as an option. Most of these games were not on consoles, though.

Hey walkerguy, what, exactly, are your religious beliefs?

I would win. Enough said. I think it depends on the rules of the game. I think AP has all of the practicing martial artists, not sure how the gun owners are spread out. I also have no idea who would have more people proficient with blades and changes. Alvin would probably lose. And it would be his fault.

I am now playing BTS and it's clearly, everyone's fault but me.

Mr John Bean?

^That's just beyond awesome.

It's instant life destroying addiction that you can carry anywhere with you. If I had a DS, I know I wouldn't buy it.

Patch 1.0006 only has multiplayer fixes. The patch that raised the framerates a lot was 1.0003 or 1.0004, I think.

Actually after Enoch made his other earlier CIV post I installed the game and BTS almost immediately. I then suffered a bout of extreme guilt and responsibility, and uninstalled it about two minutes after starting it up. Maybe I'm getting old.

Must shake urge to install CIV....

Yes, it's quite awesome. It's not very forgiving, tough.

Well, yes but Deus Ex had a bunch of complex game systems, like an inventory, or RPG stats, that stopped players from picking it up and playing right out of the box. NOLF1, on the other hand, while it had more depth than your garden variety FPS, could be played like your average run and gun FPS. In fact, a guy I knew did just that, playing NOLF1 from start to finish as if it was Doom.

What danger?

I used stealth too. But my point is that NOLF gave you gameplay options without skimping out on the action. On the other hand HL gave you action and not much else. I'm sure that if it wasn't for the unusual setting, writing and plot (by FPS standards), NOLF would have been much more popular than HL. But, of course, without those it would've also lost much of its charm.

I've always felt like Anachronox was a satire of JRPGs.

The AIs in NOLF1 ran away, took cover, tried to flank you and called for help. It was awesome for its time and not many games since have improved upon it.

Anachronox.

I never really understood why Quake 1 is never talked about these days. The engine was such a huge leap from everything that came before, and it made an incredible difference in gameplay. Rocket jump FTW!

Considering that they are quite far apart (in the warped time of video game releases) and being quite different games, is that really a fair comparison? They're both FPSes, only NOLF gave you more gameplay options. And just the fighting in itself is much better than in HL 1 and 2. Why wouldn't it be a fair comparison? I don't think HL1 and NOLF are the same type of game. HL1 was all about survival, science, and a weird alien invasion. The atmosphere was completely different, the story was completely different, and the theme was completely different. The shooter aspect was the only tie, and on that HL1 beats NOLF. NOLF had great shooter elements and lots of innovations HL1 didn't have, but in terms of pure FPS style, HL1 took the cake, IMHO. And HL1 beats the socks off HL2 - that game was just more of the same, but somehow also less of the good same. My list of all-time favourite FPS's so far would be: Giants: Citizen Kabuto System Shock 2 Deus Ex 1 No One Lives Forever 1 Half-Life 1 NOLF1 had better AI, had location based damage, and better level design than HL1. With this in mind, how can you say that the combat in HL1 was better than in NOLF? Also, my list: No One Lives Forever 1/2 System Shock 2 Deus Ex Thief AvP Quake 1 multiplayer