BruceVC

You're a sociopath by your own logic. Go you. You again seek to impose your view upon all others and marginalize those that don't share it as sociopaths. But you again aren't actually sincere in your view, or it's massively incomplete. I'm sure you don't care how all those folks throughout the world that you support being bombed or killed in the name of cause X think of you. Human beings are social creatures indeed. However, many don't care if they are liked or not. They aren't necessarily crazy, sociopaths, etc. They might just not care what person X thinks. Chances are, given the scenario, that's actually a very good thing for all involved. I'd certainly say that in general anyone who is concerned with being liked on an internet forum full of people they don't really actually know might have some mental issues if anyone does. Certainly anyone concerned with how everyone else thinks about them has issues, that aren't good. That person is near as rare as a unicorn though. Anyone overly concerned with being liked by everyone else or even most people is going to be inherently superficial. The normal view on life and society is contrived, packaged, and sold. Your average idiot these days seeks to conform above near all else so they buy. That is generally stupid to the nth level. As to why people might be on a forum engaging in a debate with people they have no affinity with? The fact that the best debates are often with people one does not have an affinity with aside (there are overall no great debates on this forum that I've ever seen). There are a number of possibilities and reasons that come to mind and I'm sure I'm not thinking of all of them. With all due respect to everyone here who deserves it, I don't come to this forum because I have an affinity with anyone here, nor am I concerned if anyone here likes me. I'm sorry if that somehow hurts anyone here. For your sake I hope it doesn't. I'm a sociopath.... Thanks for that assessment, I'll remember that

I agree. I consider that just part of living in a big city, in South Africa at almost very single robot ( not sure what you guys call them..the electronic devices that control the traffic with green, red or yellow ) people come to your car and want to sell you something. And they always come to my car, so you have to spend about 30 seconds every time you stop saying " no thanks I don't want new sunglasses " I have never seen it as harassment, rather its a result of our disparate economic reality. That's how those people put food on there tables, yes it is annoying but its just people trying to earn a living

Yeah same, I loved the whole series and it was one my favourite series of all time. But I think it ended without enough closure about what happened to several main characters? Nucky is a fictional character but I know what happens to most of the others as they were real gangsters, politicians or whatever. I think the last episode was actually the weakest of season 5. I agree, it was the weakest But end of the day what an amazing series. HBO are geniuses, I look forward to the next thing from them

That video was really worrying, is the harassment that bad? I'm not saying its not a problem but also some people were just greeting her. Is that considered harassment?

Yeah same, I loved the whole series and it was one my favourite series of all time. But I think it ended without enough closure about what happened to several main characters?

The rantings of some woman dealing with her bullied past don't really matter. But you can strike back if someone tries to punch you and misses. Degrees matter here, naturally. Someone trying to hurt my feelings online is stuff you deal with in high school and isn't a matter for jail time. Even some cheap racist remark isn't either, I'd hope. But I'm not clear on your perspective, are you saying it depends on where the insult is coming from before we decide if its offensive or not? So for example you weren't offended by what Leigh Alexander said about "gamers"?

That's not what I said and you know it Bruce. But I've noticed you are against honesty and integrity in the gaming media with one of the goals of GG and it appears you're not being honest here as well. It's what I expect from you. And an internet forum amongst the millions of internet forums on the internet is not the same as real life. Maybe that's one of your problems with not being able to tell the difference from one to the other. And do I really care about not being liked on some internet forum? No, I don't. Do I care about real life like at work and social functions? Yes of course. Because a forum is something I can leave and never return and it doesn't affect my real life one single bit. I think it's quite sad that you can't leave some gaming forum on the internet and you're always wanting attention and to be liked. In real life, that comes across as weird. Seriously, can you imagine someone saying in real life, 'Oh hey, there's Bruce and he wants to be liked on this gaming forum that you probably have never heard of and he tries his best to be liked by random people'. Yeah, real life is important to me. Random internet forums and wanting to be liked by random strangers aren't. So please, you can drop the dishonesty, the slimy debating tactics. It's all BS and you know it too. So lets get back on topic. You funny Hiro, I use to think that you intentionally misunderstood peoples posts so that you could argue with them. But now I realize you seem to have this strange filter that completely jumbles up and convolutes what people are saying. So for example I say " I really don't think its unreasonable for people to want to be liked on the Internet", you understand this as me saying " BruceVC really needs people to like him on the Internet. This is demonstrated in his posting style". You have this strange ability to formulate connections that aren't there as they exist in your head only Take this post of yours, when did I ever mention I was against honesty and integrity ? How do you know I can't tell the difference between a forum and RL? When did I say "I always want to be liked ", I have already acknowledged certain of my views are not liked. Its obvious as I engage in debate fairly regularly and I often have people disagreeing with me and saying " they don't like\agree with what I said" But you are hardcore my friend, you don't care if people on a forum like you. Well done

It is BS that you're lumping everyone as the same with talking about forums. You can't say everyone is like you, wanting to be liked by others on forums, creating threads about your life or anything else. That shows more about you than anyone else. I'm the same in that I don't care if I'm liked or not on these forums. I don't have a want to be liked. I'll post whatever I feel like posting. I go to many forums and the Obsidian forums is just another one where I post. Much like the other forums I post at or used to post at. Doesn't concern in me in the slightest to wanting to be liked on all those forums. Oh so its BS that human beings are social creatures that want to be liked? Really .....that's not what any psychologist will tell you. All human beings who have a normal view on life and society want to be accepted, in other words I am not talking about people that have sort of dysfunctional mental problem, like a sociopath. There will be exceptions and you may be one of them when you say " I don't care if I'm liked ". But for most of us we want to be liked. And a forum that you spend time on everyday is no different, how can you suggest that if you are active on a forum, you make comments and engage with people yet you expect us to believe " you don't care what people think about me" Its so obviously untrue because why would you spend time on any forum partaking in debate if you didn't feel some sort of affinity with the people on that forum? So please lets just drop this " I'm so hardcore and emotionally detached and I don't care what anyone thinks about me BS" No one is saying you want to be popular, I also am not trying to be popular. In fact I know my stance on certain issues which is based on principles make me unpopular to some people. But that's the choice I make and I am fine with that But that's the same thing as suggesting it is strange that after 10 years and engaging in debate with someone that you cant call them an Internet friend? And you notice I said "Internet friend " and not " friend " as I believe in most cases you need to know someone in RL before you can say they are a real friend

Okay, maybe that's why you respond the way you do I don't believe it but others might Every human being wants to be liked and to have people accept them, despite what they say. We are gregarious by nature . Of course this will vary on circumstances. For example someone who works in a jail won't expect the prisoners to like them. But I don't buy this whole " I don't care what anyone thinks about me on these forums BS " It goes against basic human nature And of course the type of acceptance we all seek will vary from person to person

Words don't matter hey Malc? Interesting, maybe you can explain that to the GG army,....there is no reason to get upset about the characterisation around the meaning of "gamers". After all being called a " white, misogynist " is just words ...no harm done right? Personally I think words do matter and they can be very hurtful and demean a person. In my country we prosecute people for certain words, or rather any celebrity who uses certain words in public can lose there job. And in the UK people are doing real jail time for what they said on Twitter around racist and offensive comments, so words obviously do matter for many people and legal systems around the world

Geez, we've been talking on these forums for close to a decade, those are some harsh words. I'm sorry you don't consider us friends. Honestly I've grown pretty fond of you over the years and appreciate what you bring to the community, so I'll just keep treating you as a friend. Those were very nice words to say to Volo Hurlshot, and I believe you were being absolutely sincere Don't take his response too seriously. Its just a defensive mechanism that he has created exactly because he has been the target of abuse on the Internet Its easier to say " I don't care about anyone else " than to accept the fact that some people might actually really consider him a friend. Because now he takes the chance of someone maybe hurting him or then saying " got you !!!...I was never your friend to begin with "once he starts believing a person is really his friend And as I said earlier he only has this view because he has been the victim in the past of some sort of sustained Internet abuse...that's the irony with what you asked him and how he responded

Funny

I have also never received an Internet death threat...I don't think they are as common as you make out Trashman?

Be warned, it is not politically correct Bruce. Your social justice warrior might find it jarring.. Sure, I can appreciate not every game is SJ politically correct on certain levels. But its probably best I play the game first and then comment

I'm about to start playing Saints Row IV, it should be fun

There are some good specials on Steam at the moment, I picked up Saints Row IV for $6

That's exactly the reason I will sign the petition

I'm not sure I want to sign that petition, who on these forums is going to sign it ? I read more on that link and I now realize how his actions have effected others in the company, I may sign that petition after all

I'm not sure I want to sign that petition, who on these forums is going to sign it ?

Nothing like dimestore psychology to fit in well on Twitter. " but Gamergate is looking more and more like the only sensible alternative " Imagine a world where that was actually true... a world where GG was the only voice that mattered around the gaming industry. Can you think of any worse future for the gaming industry ?

QFT

Have you ever cared that games may be sexist? I can't recall you ever being concerned about this in games, maybe you can remind me of times where you have raised this where " game x" was objectifying women or showing them in a way that was demeaning. But anyway its fine if you don't care about sexism in games. The gaming industry, meaning publishers and many developers ,cares and that's all that matters

What's nonsensical about it? An 18 year old has probably never held a corporate job and doesn't know what a code of conduct is. The only time he could have interacted with people is on the Internet so his idea of acceptable comments would be based on that experience And that would not be the same as how he can conduct himself in RL. We see this all the time where people have to be trained in what they can and cant say to customers and fellow staff members. This is directly related to a persons age and life experiences

I have been working the whole weekend so its been productive but not very entertaining. I did manage to go to an excellent restaurant last night called Eisbein and Co and had a few drinks and ate some of the best Eisbein I have ever eaten.

It's true, I felt bad posting it, but I was dying to know. No need to feel bad. There is a valid reason at times to ask someone's age as it can explain a certain naivety and lack of understand around business etiquette and codes of conduct. For example an 18 probably doesn't know why threatening to kill his boss but then saying " he didn't really mean it " is unacceptable on many levels I have noticed many similar views and misunderstandings from some people on this forum on other topics. And my best educated guess for this is that people still seem to think you can conduct yourself in RL the same way you can conduct yourself on the Internet. And you obviously can't