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Except when you debate with SJW and feminists they generally have the moral high ground even if sometimes there intentions are misplaced I'm not so sure about that... Well think about it, most of the time the criticism against SJW is that they are only looking at one side of the debate and trying to implement change is society when its not necessarily relevant. Its not suppose to be malicious ? Having the moral high ground means being morally superior to their opponents, they don't need to be flat out malicious to not be better than the people telling them to go to hell. You could probably also say the exact same thing about the people you were debating with, I highly doubt they seek to destroy Africa, I just think they have different ideas on how to improve it than you. True, they do have different ideas. But that doesn't change the fact there ideas are wrong

Except when you debate with SJW and feminists they generally have the moral high ground even if sometimes there intentions are misplaced I'm not so sure about that... Well think about it, most of the time the criticism against SJW is that they are only looking at one side of the debate and trying to implement change is society when its not necessarily relevant. Its not suppose to be malicious ?

Just watched episode 3 of American Horror Story, it was very good. Especially the Edward Mordrake character

Wow that's an excellent link, it really makes you even more excited especially when you consider all the possible party interaction

Except when you debate with SJW and feminists they generally have the moral high ground even if sometimes there intentions are misplaced

Volo you keep saying " equalism ", whats the difference between that word and gender equality ?

As I mentioned before I love your lifestyle and the environment you live in, " listening to the coyotes" I have a real picturesque view of where you stay. I can still imagine you saying " and then huckleberry sailed past me on his raft looking for further adventures down the great river "

Vals I had a frustrating debate with people last night on this radio talk show I listen to , we were discussing African leaders and the failure of the AU. And there were several people who believe in conspiracy theories and were blaming the state of Africa and factors like Capitalism and Colonialism So they were like debating with you but they not as intelligent as you. You don't understand how annoying it is because you just want to scream at people and say things like " how can you believe something so silly "

I am leaning towards Hurlshot perspective on this debate, its not as easy to resolve these types of events as you guys are suggesting. We must remember the context

I am planning on getting into a serious debate tonight on this talk show I listen to, the topic coming up is "What is the issue with African leadership" Should be very interesting

Gratz, thank goodness you will now be closer to some decent brothels and strip-clubs

What was the surgery for? Exploratory? She has chronic pancreatitis. A couple years ago, her pancreas flared up and she was in the hospital for about a week. They don't really know what caused it, possibly her birth control pills. Since then she has been on a restricted diet and takes enzymes with every meal to help process fat and sugar. She had a flare up again recently, but it wasn't quite as bad. The problem is it has not improved at all (although it hasn't gotten much worse) so they want to take a closer look. It's not really clear why it is happening. We get an MRI next. Sorry to hear that, my thoughts are with you

But this event is much more nuanced than " lets bring the SJ brigade on-board and express our outrage " For me I support real SJ issues, so I am interested in how relevant this video is. And what I mean by that is there have been several opinions on this thread that have made me question how clear cut the point this video is making As I said in the beginning this video was being discussed on a prominent South African radio talk show in the 4-6 am slot So I plan to call in tomorrow morning early and give a different perspective. And I'll be honest several views on this thread have helped me with that opinion

Funny enough one of the reasons I questioned the accuracy of this video but I didn't say anything was "how come it seems to be only African Americans who are commenting on her " Its like they selected certain neighbourhoods to do this social experiment? It does seem a little slanted ? Well done Malc, you have this uncanny ability to find certain interesting links

Not sure if trolling..... No, my comment is real? That's exactly what the video is suppose to demonstrate. Not sure why you think I'm trolling?

It must be a very sad place where you live in. I (or people here) never had any issues with people greeting you or approaching you. Maybe because a lot of people here are tourists asking for direction or something. But in general I don't have this fear of insane people around every corner. If normal looking people greet you politely you respond politely. I did run into a few crazy people on the streets, but those were the one that talk to themselves and you wonder what they are doing on the streets and not in a loony bin. That video looks so staged it's hillarious. Again just to clarify, obviously you can pick up on people who have different motivations (tourist, lost or confused person, someone who needs help), but I just said that as general advice for visiting big cities. I would agree with the desire to not respond to those people though. My mom used to greet people like that and she got followed by the crazies CONSTANTLY until people finally told her to stop being an idiot and acknowledging them. Wasn't saying "omg be paranoid at all times," it's just generally a good idea to seriously size people up and unless a practical motivation is obvious (business, requesting help, etc), best not to acknowledge in bigger cities. And again that's exclusive for bigger cities, not everywhere else. Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ?

You mean it's really creepy just walking beside him for 5 minutes. The dude just walks, she is clearly trying to walk at the same speed as him. The guy even looks at her with "wtf are you doing" stare few times. And following someone who is heading the same way is harassment? It's the most efficient way of walking or driving. Just set yourself behind someone heading the same way and you can mostly drift off in thoughts. No dude, that's obviously not what is happening. He is walking next to her and making it quite uncomfortable

No its a serious video that is attempting to highlight the issue of harassment directed towards some women who walk the streets of any large city Normally I am very supportive and in agreement of these types of developments but I am not convinced that this video accurately raises a real issue in this example ?

"Traffic light". Yeah we also call them that and we call them a robot. I only thought afterwards that Traffic light is a universal name

Maybe she would, but it shouldn't be assumed. So we still need to accept that a good looking rich boy can also be guilty of harassment ? I will accept when I will see a single instance where a good looking rich guy will be treated the same way as a bad looking poor fellow. Before that I will stay by my personal research in the subject that concludes in: women want to be harassed only by good looking rich men and ban everybody else. I can agree to a certain degree, most people are less likely to say " harassment " if its someone that they find attractive or appealing on some levels But the one consideration is we mustn't use this as a reason to dismiss real cases or accusations of harassment. I know its a fine line to walk because its easy to think people are inconsistent but there is a difference

Again I just wanna say this not so much in regards to this issue, but a little (important) life knowledge: there ARE cities where it's typically a bad idea to respond to a stranger saying things as simple as "how are you." I'm not talking a guy with some flyers to pass out or someone obviously trying to promote a product or whatever, but some random person chatting you up. This applies to both men and women. There's sadly some unstable people out there and you simply don't know what'll trigger them, so it's best to ignore them. No eye contact, no vocal acknowledgement, no nothing. Just keep walking and if you feel followed or in danger, head towards someplace you feel safe. While I actually do have respect for the modest and humble efforts by that Hollaback group, I also think it's still a truth that this issue cannot universally be weeded out so long as mentally unstable people walk the streets. I would dare say those men who followed her (and maybe one guy that was dressed very odd) do not count as good evidence of "harassment" in my mind solely because I question their stability. They could've easily acted weird towards anyone, but attractive people unfortunately attract crazies as well and thus have to cope with them more. You have made an interesting point, maybe in some places you just cant take the chance of greeting someone back because they may be mentally unbalanced and will misread your intentions? This probably isn't common but it is a valid concern

Never. That's the normal experience , but I really am different in that respect and I have met some really interesting guys just from offering them a drink. And there is no risk of them thinking "I'm actually hitting on them " because I normally do this in places like Hooters We know guys buy ladies drinks but for me lets say I meet a lady at a bar and she has a guy friend. I make sure I offer him a drink and include him in the conversation, because I ask myself "how would I like to feel if the roles were reversed " In other words being cut out the conversation just because someone likes my lady friend is not nice. Also the lady you are talking to realizes that you aren't threatened by her guy friends and I see it as a way of showing respect

Maybe she would, but it shouldn't be assumed. So we still need to accept that a good looking rich boy can also be guilty of harassment ?

I'm interested in this perspective and reasoning, what is the basis for this type of thinking ?

Yes the whole issue of statuary rape can be very controversial In South Africa the legal age limit for sex is 16 but the reality is we have girls who fall pregnant from the age of 12 and onwards ( mostly from 14 ) So now they have passed new legislation that says consensual sex between two people under the age of 16 cannot be statuary rape