BruceVC

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/08/01/poll-hillary-clinton-leading-donald-trump-after-conventions.cnn Guys good news, we are now seeing a 7 point lead after the DNC for Clinton. It was a nice bounce for her

But the EU provides a path to citizenship ? https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-Syrian-refugee-gain-EU-citizenship

Gfted1 its probably best you review this as you have the most insight and interest in providing accurate information. Please spend the rest of your weekend analyzing and summarizing all the shootings in the USA, this is one of those " I want to feel good about myself " opportunities

There are 2 million refugees in Lebanon alone... I think it is still more than in whole EU... Putting Syrian refugees in these refugee camps in places like Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey that they live under in appalling conditions should not be considered proper integration or even taking responsibility of fellow Muslims The way the EU integrates the refugees is considered taking responsibility, the EU makes them citizens, provides social grants, housing etc. The main difference is the EU tries to be truly inclusive and incurs a real cost for each refugee

Volo please can we not play the old " white people are victims of awful political persecution " ....this is not GG, lets not try to exaggerate the reality Yeah, white people are only victims of persecution by the left, which is only about half the population. The right thinks white people are swell because they were responsible for the rights, culture, and technology that allows for the highest standard of living in the world. Persecution might be a bit strong. actual persecution, as in negative consequences, against whites exist in the west is on college campuses and far left hugboxes. True, the only places where What is a hugbox? Also I'm not sure if you joking but when you say " as in negative consequences, against whites exist in the west is on college campuses " how do colleges do this?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/khizr-khan-muslim-soldier-donald-trump-dnc/index.html I thought this was both poignant and applicable, American Muslims have died defending the USA. This is sometimes forgotten

My bad, I often cant tell the difference

The worlds not sick Oby? We are living in the greatest era of mankind, the solution to most of Russia internal problems is to implement a proper form of Democracy but that would mean Putin probably stepping down and a more progressive person coming to power who doesnt see the West as an enemyIt's probably hard to not see West as an enemy when West is fear mongering against Russia every chance they got.No thats an exaggeration, Russia has directly annexed or attempted to destabilize certain areas like Georgia and Ukraine No country in the world can be allowed to legally do this Except USA, right? Yugoslavia, Middle East etc. Ring aby bells? Russia never did anything that USA didn't do somewhere else. Russia accidentally bombs wrong military target it's an attrocity, USA bombs a hospital full of children and it's an whoopsie. Yes the USA is a good example of not doing what Russia did. Russia has annexed parts of Georgia and Crimea....what countries has the US annexed?

No my friend you committed no crime, its the complete opposite .....you have created something inspirational that many in society will try to emulate You resisted watching GOT for the first 6 seasons !!! And now you get to watch it all....we all very envious

Oh my hat that is so weird, I watched The Equalizer a few months ago and I can say it is one of the best movies I have ever seen. It draws you in and when that Russian clean-up person arrives you are captivated ....very good movie and I couldn't remember its name but now I do Have you seen Man on Fire and Fallen ...both very good Denzil movies Man on Fire was great. I think my favourite Denzel movie is Virtuosity though. Russel Crowe being manic and charismatic instead of dour. Fantastic. And you have seen The Equalizer ? Man on Fire was amazing, I have watched it 3-4 times

Dark you cant seriously be even entertaining supporting Trump.....he wants to weaken NATO and that will make Poland weaker, you must see the big picture

Melk how are things in Greece and Athens specifically around the austerity Do you guys know what debt Greece owes, does the government update the citizens ?

No I own a place, its like a townhouse but its called sectional title

Sorry is this a townhouse you bought? Are you renovating to sell it and where is it located ?

The worlds not sick Oby? We are living in the greatest era of mankind, the solution to most of Russia internal problems is to implement a proper form of Democracy but that would mean Putin probably stepping down and a more progressive person coming to power who doesnt see the West as an enemy It's probably hard to not see West as an enemy when West is fear mongering against Russia every chance they got. No thats an exaggeration, Russia has directly annexed or attempted to destabilize certain areas like Georgia and Ukraine No country in the world can be allowed to legally do this

Volo please can we not play the old " white people are victims of awful political persecution " ....this is not GG, lets not try to exaggerate the reality

Hastur I want to tell you something interesting, the software we sell and implement in the banking sector comes from the USA. Its a global company with the HQ in the USA. Once a year we use to go to Vegas for a partner symposium. So at least every third day I am interacting with Americans around sales workshops or things like technical updates and issues We also talk politics, in this one state there 5 guys ....3 Dems and 2 Rep and everyone of them has told me the same thing basically you have, this is the most depressed they have ever felt about the USA But I want to tell you something that hopefully will make you feel better, it made them feel better when we were told it But I am taking a lady friend out now so I'll update you later

I still havent played Pillars of Eternity .....I need to play it before this game gets released

How did you know I was going to ask you if you thought I was a troll.....I was going to ask a similar question but only later But yes I try to come across like you said, obviously at times we all can be a little condescending but I think everyone is like that at times? Okay thanks for the input on Hilary, I wont over analyze peoples comments then

Volo I missed this post earlier but this is a very accurate assessment of Snowden, its more or less what I think I say to people " volo has very good views on certain global events and at times he makes cogent points when he wants to ....he is not a troll " People dont believe me because they are use to the other volo which is where you seem to be inconsistent but its clear you do follow politics so it always surprises me why you dont just stay as this volo?

It's also reminiscent of Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao. But mostly Mao for me. http://www.dailypress.net/page/content.detail/id/1226760/Australian-leader-launches-inquiry-into-teen-detainee-abuse.html?isap=1&nav=5048 Hiro I see the abuse of immigrants and non-white people has reached boiling point in Oz .....you guys need to address this. Its getting out of hand....at least the new PM seems to care?

Elerond how are things in Finland? Have you guys had anymore issue around the immigrants ?

Oh my hat that is so weird, I watched The Equalizer a few months ago and I can say it is one of the best movies I have ever seen. It draws you in and when that Russian clean-up person arrives you are captivated ....very good movie and I couldn't remember its name but now I do Have you seen Man on Fire and Fallen ...both very good Denzil movies

Yeah, that seems weird to me because we've had these discussions for years. My big beliefs all line up pretty well with the Libertarian party: 1. Get rid of Patriot Act and its big brother offspring. 2. Stop freaking out about immigration. 3. Gay marriage is cool. Only thing I get nervous about is lack of corporate oversight, but considering they control the government now, I'm not really worried it wil get worse. Hurlshot to be fair to WOD he wasnt coming across as dismissive. You guys sometimes seem to misunderstand each other and I know WOD sometimes says things which concern you but he is consistent in his views. Once you get to know him he isnt a surprise which does count for something

Thanks for the kind words, Bruce. I think humans are individually important, of course. I love my cats and, as living creatures, I believe they are important also. See, some of us Republicans are all soft and mushy inside. However, in terms of having long term notable significance in a broad population sense, we're not. I think that's good. The people who want to tweet can share what they want, as much and as little of their lives, and the people who want to refrain can take solace that they're not 'important' enough for people to intrude into their privacy in a meaningful way. Now, I have to say something about my ill advised bet, which also relates to privacy. First of all, I made the bet. I don't feel bad about it per se other than it was a bit childish. I'm pretty confident that the specific of my bet probably won't happen anyway. I doubt we go into the election with it being literally only 2% in the average of polls and if it does, I'd be so shocked if Trump doesn't win that wearing a dress and calling myself a bitch won't eve register. It's not even the most humiliating wound I will have inflicted on myself. ...And, hell, nothing to establish your cred like cashing out your loss after a bet. It was mostly ill advised because I'm somewhat of a nomad and I'm afraid I won't be around. However, November is so close, only a few months hence, I'll just make sure I keep poking my head in the door. Frankly, no one's taken me up on the bet, so it won't matter anyway. Childish? Not at all, I often take bets in RL. For me a monetary bet is a good way to see if someone really believes what they say And suggesting you even would wear a dress takes guts, I am a big supporter of the LGBT and if I did lose this type of bet I could wear a dress without feeling it was an attack on my manhood but its not often someone is prepared to come to a new forum and make that kind of commitment because most people would be unsure and worried how people may respond ....so it was a refreshing and unexpected post to see Yet as I mentioned earlier you not arrogant or come across as condescending ( this is my issue at times ) You support the Republicans which is not uncommon on this forum but you not prone to hyperbole, like where you can recognize that the media houses are not all completely false or report news disingenuously Sorry to ask you another question but you are new to this forum and you still seem to talk to me ...dont believe what you hear about me, my mother says Im a nice person In your opinion dont you think there is a degree of unnecessary or unreasonable criticism towards Hilary on this thread? I understand some people just dont like her.....but if you look at the last couple of pages it seems extreme ....irrepressible Now of course I may be over sensitive which is possible but I dont think I am? You mentioned you are like a nomad, where would you go to after this and why do you move around forums. Do you prefer not becoming complacent on one place?