BruceVC

Nice deflection. You avoided the 'keeping up with the jones' part of my quote as well as your own financial problems. Hiro its considered rude to talk about money on a forum?

Okay you do know what it means ...fair enough But how I am pre-judging the Chinese....I have experience ? And I dont hate them....so is it racism? And you know I take this seriously ....so if I am being racist I want to know ?

"I can't be racist, I don't hate black people! In fact, I have many black friends!" *cough* white fragility *cough* Did he say that in the post earlier? Given China's engagement in Africa recently I just took it as that in his post on trusting them. Or not sure what the heck that is to mean to me, other than I posted the same earlier today, heh. As for Gftd's advice, amusing but he is still correct. You right and I have been polite about some of the more reprehensible practices they do

Volo I often agree with alum....normally his logic is reasonable so lets not dismiss his view Volo can you give me your definition of racism? I dont think you understand what it means...sorry its just you throw the word around so indiscriminately

Volo lets be honest...people throw the racist word around even when not appropriate I'm still not convinced I'm wrong.....but if you make a compelling point I will change my mind ?

Yes of course I can accept if I was in China the average Chinese citizen may not be like the Chinese who come to Africa But I have seen them operate for years in Africa, its always the same methodology and its always about one thing " they dont care about human rights. They will trade with any dictator and they legitimize certain African failed states ....so they allow some African dictators to remain in power at the expense of the black citizens of the actual country " They actually harm the overall economic transformation of the continent ....so I'm not sure what I am suppose to like about them?>

No This is Hiro ...why should he respond, I never expect him to do anything so that way I'm never disappointed

Presumably it was the entirety of the Chinese people, acting in complete unison, who did this. No it was every single Chinese person...all 1 billion of them But on a serious note you cant separate how they do business in Africa They have a certain trade approach but its harmful and they lied to us My point is that this doesn't magically make racism "okay". I mean, jesus Malc, use context. Hah, racism. Pretty clear to me he's not speaking of hating the yellow devils but, alright, heh. Thats the thing, I dont think it was racist because I have extensive experience with there business practice So making an informed decision shouldn't be seen as racist ?

Presumably it was the entirety of the Chinese people, acting in complete unison, who did this. No it was every single Chinese person...all 1 billion of them But on a serious note you cant separate how they do business in Africa They have a certain trade approach but its harmful and they lied to us My point is that this doesn't magically make racism "okay". I mean, jesus Malc, use context. No its different, racism is a prejudice that is not related to anything I have seen how the Chinese operate and that put me off them, I appreciate the point you making but I dont think this is racism? Also how much do you know about the Chinese....they do several things that are unacceptable to Western countries like Dogs are beaten or bled to death, then eaten at the Yulin dog meat festival. Thousands of Chinese citizens have protested the festival, but authorities won't act until they see how badly it's hurting China's global image. That's where we come in. Add your name to the petition below with one-click to stop this puppy slaughter, then tell everyone: Sign here Dear friends, For the Yulin dog meat festival, some dogs are stolen from their owners and beaten or bled to death. Then they’re hung upside down from hooks, a slit cut from their anus and skin ripped off their bodies, and sold to be eaten. The suffering must be unbearable -- new research shows that in terms of emotion, dogs' brains are much like ours, something dog owners and lovers understand well. When we see dogs for what they are -- living beings with thoughts and feelings -- the torture they endure at this 'festival' becomes inexcusable. Already thousands of Chinese citizens have spoken out against the festival, but authorities won’t act until they see how badly it’s hurting China’s global image, which they’ve been working hard to improve. That’s where we come in. Let’s show the Chinese government that the world cares about this puppy slaughter and wants them to stop it immediately! When our numbers are great enough, Avaaz will take out ads, work with influential celebrities, run the first independent national poll on dog-eating in China, and put this issue on front pages everywhere until Chinese authorities act. Add your name to the petition below with one-click and tell everyone: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_puppy_slaughter_loc/?bHGuxfb&v=76517&cl=9994221698 To Chinese President Mr. Xi Jinping, the Governor of Guangxi Province Mr. Chen Wu, and members of the Chinese Central Government: As citizens across the globe deeply disturbed by the abuse and consumption of dogs at the Yulin festival, we strongly urge you to ban it immediately. Millions of Chinese citizens support legislation to stop the dog meat industry, and we join their call to end this cruel trade. https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_puppy_slaughter_loc/?bHGuxfb&v=76517&cl=9994221698 Thanks to brave Chinese activists, the festival gets smaller each year, and Yulin authorities eventually withdrew their sponsorship of the festival and even banned their employees from attending. Momentum is building. If millions of us raise our voices now, we can save thousands of pups from unimaginable torture. The Yulin festival isn’t a centuries old tradition -- it was started in 2010! And many argue that it was created mainly to boost meat industry sales. Time is running out -- the festival is in weeks. Sign the petition above with one-click on the link, then forward this to friends and family -- let's make this huge! https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_puppy_slaughter_loc/?bHGuxfb&v=76517&cl=9994221698 Our community has campaigned against the most cruel bull festival in Spain, against the discarding and killing of male baby chicks in Germany, and against terrible conditions on farms in Spain and France. Now it's time to speak out for man's best friend, and get this puppy slaughter stopped for good. With hope, Rewan, Danny, Luis, Patricia, Jooyea, Mike, Ricken and the entire Avaaz team More information: Yulin Dog Meat Festival 2016: New pictures emerge of 'nightmare' conditions for animals involved in Chinese event (The Independent) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/yulin-dog-meat-festival-2016-new-pictures-emerge-of-nightmare-conditions-for-animals-involved-in-a6973021.html#gallery Chinese public urges government to crack down on dog meat industry (Channel NewsAsia) http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/chinese-public-urges/2665086.html This Year, China Needs to End Its Horrific Dog Meat Festival (Observer) http://observer.com/2016/04/this-year-china-needs-to-end-its-horrific-dog-meat-festival/ Animal Rights Activists Target China Dog Meat Festival (VOA) http://www.voanews.com/content/animal-rights-activists-target-china-dog-meat-festival/3283551.html Why the Brains of Dogs and Humans are More Similar Than You Think (Gizmodo) http://io9.gizmodo.com/why-the-brains-of-dogs-and-humans-are-more-similar-than-1527707674

Parents + 2 kids doesn't mean you need a 4bd+ house. Just because you have two cars doesn't mean you need a two car garage. You can't park your car in the driveway? Also expecting to live in a million dollar suburb added to your check list? If you're going to have that sort of search criteria with a list of things that are outside your means, then of course you won't be able to afford to buy a house with those conditions. It's why people usually buy houses further out to live within their means. What if you can afford that type of property....there is no guarantee you will be happy there

Presumably it was the entirety of the Chinese people, acting in complete unison, who did this. No it was every single Chinese person...all 1 billion of them But on a serious note you cant separate how they do business in Africa They have a certain trade approach but its harmful and they lied to us

I dont really like the Chinese, they lied to the South African government...manipulated people and seriously messed up our economy Sorry, its a personal view

Volo....I am shocked by what you suggesting, you CANNOT blame the candidate for the actions of his supporters You cant blame Hilary for that ...lets be reasonable here

You guys wont believe this but about 15 years ago I also could have worked in the USA but it was a military contract...I always wanted to join the CIA. I had this view of how it was the perfect place for me. I could work independently and bend laws and break them in the name of security of the USA.....I know this is fine as long as its for the safety of your citizens People dont need to know everything...but I didnt apply but I have always admired the CIA, its amazing how they get criticized by so many Americans. No offense to anyone but I would never do that...I see it as unpatriotic

Lol, German govt think rapefugees don't known how do fikki-fikki They are doing it so that the farmers can have their sheep and cattle in peace. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352779/Bestiality-brothels-spreading-Germany-campaigner-claims-abusers-sex-animals-lifestyle-choice.html Seriously though, those guys should be in working camps, getting education in construction and engineering so that they can go back later and rebuild their country with their new skills. This article is extremely offensive to German people as it suggests the depraved practice of bestiality is somehow normal Its only legal in NZ and parts of Oz ...but that is historical and we cant expect sudden change

GD....serious question. What is your view of Trump now? Same as ever... total dirt bag only slightly less objectionable than Hillary. I just thought this was funny. He can be funny....I have watched his immitation of Chinese people the way he says " we want deal "

No, it's not hard to grasp, but that's only because that's not how it works in reality. What you are describing is, I don't know, 18th century capitalism theory? In this day and age, "the rich" do not significantly spend, participate in, or stimulate the economy. Instead, what they do is keep inflating the already completely absurdly sized financial derivatives bubble, whose notional value is currently estimated at >$1.2 quadrillion. The actual world economy you're thinking about is just around $77 trillion. Think the tulip craze of 17th century Netherlands, that has grown to about 20 times the size of the global economy. The solution to that ain't gonna be pleasant, to put it mildly. Please, tell me exactly how encouraging these **** to keep breaking banks whose bailouts everyone else have to pay for is growing anything but their own greed, let alone the economy. But beyond that, there's this magical notion that "the rich" have amassed fabulous amounts of wealth without being at all connected to the rest of mankind, that they don't owe anything to anybody, and that they have no responsibility to maintain the very structures and conditions of stability that allowed them to make and keep money to begin with. The only way to ensure (rather than just trust in the kindness of their hearts and hope for the best) that some of their good fortune reverts back to everyone is through taxes, though I'm open to other ideas if you have any. The "self-made man" myth is right up there with the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and Santa, and they'd all be laughing their asses off, hadn't they just found that the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is now subject to negative interest rates. 2133 I know you ignore what I say because I'm a trollllllllllllllllllllllllll But I hope you read this, I doubt anyone else would mention this to you and I'm sorry to be seen to be attacking you but you need to hear the reality of your country and the EU http://cepr.net/documents/Spain-2015-12.pdf You really need to stop blaming the system for being flawed ...its not the system. Its the historic structural issues that have always existed within the overall Spainish work ethos that is to blame ...it always has been there Have you not asked yourself how come its only the PIG countries (Ireland is done with austerity ) that are undergoing austerity? If the EU troika was so corrupt and dysfunctional how come no other country in the EU needed assistance or is undergoing austerity? What about some of the East European countries ....despite having weaker economies and facing levels of bias they are not even facing austerity So please dont try to suggest the EU Troika is targeting the PIG countries out of ....I wouldn't even know how to justify it You have to understand it starts getting embarrassing to keep seeing these anti-austerity protests in first world countries like Spain ....and you part of the EU !!! Much of the third world is going through serious economic stress but I mean real pressure....25 % unemployment, massive deficits , negative growth, governments that blame the West and the terrible reality of many citizens who for generations have known nothing but grinding poverty....they really have serious problems. And they dont seem to complain as much as you guys Its not your fault, its your governments but surly you can see these changes are necessary? Soory again if I seem to be rude but I do get annoyed by these austerity complaints ....what is being asked of your country is nothing every other country in the world does

GD....serious question. What is your view of Trump now?

Well thats a bit unfair...you are allowed to like a blue ball but you just need to explain why or you being entitled

Okay that type of complete inconsistency and utter lack of fairness for staff is one of the problems around some of the extremely wealthy in the USA.....and it needs to be resolved That would never be socially allowed in SA....the basic argument being " where is the humanity, how can people be so unconcerned with the financial reality of the people who actually work in the company " But also remember its the US billionaires who give more money to altruistic causes than any other country..so there is real charity But yes that Koch story is really disappointing, I thought that type of reality was old school Capitalism from the 1980's Finally people love to attack the West and the USA and say things like " Capitalism is just about greed and the abuse of the poor or needy...its just about rich people getting richer " Yet there are many non-Capitalist countries like in the ME, Russia or China where the billionaires in those countries care even less than your Western billionaire Thats another thing I cringe about with Trump....he keeps feeling the need to say " how rich he is and how successful he is "

Bruce, how does your post even remotely make any sense to my response to Hurlshot? Hurlshot said, "I'm making six figures". That's him I assume. Not combined with his wife. And then Hurlshot goes on to say, "They are being bought for millions, making it nearly impossible for the middle class to afford." A quick google search in his area according to his location on his profile comes up with these: http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Gilroy_CA/pg-1 http://www.trulia.com/for_sale/Gilroy,CA/36.8534993825,37.2015930148,-122.032600647,-121.463371521_xy/11_zm/ Now I don't know what real estate websites Americans use, but these homes are not in the millions. And then you come on and troll about Australians not caring about wealth. Again, how does this relate to earning 6 figures and not being able to buy a house? Now why would you assume that I wanted to ask Hurlshot something, he doesnt really respond to me on most posts which is how some forum members are to me So I normally dont bother to ask them too much....but what if I wanted to ask you a question and not Hurlshot Is it so strange to make a direct post to you.....maybe people like to ask you questions?

Oh, trolling again. ok. Hiro, we need to establish something please. You obviously think Im perfect and I dont make mistakes ..but even I make mistakes So if I say "I imagine you guys in Oz dont worry about wealth " ...if its wrong then its okay for you to tell me that Dont hold me to such a high standard

Huh? No idea what you're talking about. Oh..sorry I have never been to Oz,,,its just what I imagine ? Also think of how Crocodile Dundee lives in the wild ....with that hat ..and those corks

Millions? If Gilroy Ca is where you're looking (according to your location), a quick google search comes up with a lot of houses and not in the millions. You guys in Oz dont care much for wealth hey Hiro? Its more about the barbie or beers at the local beach right...it must be nice to have such little to motivate you

Surely you must realize that somebody who needs the money to pay for basic amenities like housing, bills, food and clothing is more likely to spend it than literally anybody else. Giving money to people living below the poverty line is 100% sure to breed economic activity because they will die otherwise. Yes of course thats true but the idea of wealth creation in a Capitalist society is suppose to be where your Capital is used to generate revenue I was under the impression that people paying for their food, bills and housing will inevitably generate revenue for someone. I mean Capital as in resources or investment not actual money, the majority of wealthy people I know did it slowly and through investments but your daily expenses are going to people who may be more wealthy than you but that doesn't mean they wealthy So in other words owning the local supermarket doesnt always mean the person is well off ....but if he owns the supermarket which would cover daily expenses but also some good shares or other investments is normally the best way to increase wealth