BruceVC

What ? Just summarize in a few lines what you think I'm missing?

I always thought Jeb Bush had some reasonable views Why is any support Trump can get ultimately a good thing for the US? You didn't read that close enough. The "we" I was referring to is the Libertarians. Ah, yes I see your point My bad

And ?Do tell....who was the unlucky recipient of the inauspicious Steam refund policy

I always thought Jeb Bush had some reasonable views Why is any support Trump can get ultimately a good thing for the US?

We went to a really authentic German restaurant yesterday called Schwabinger http://schwabinger.co.za/ The food was amazing, I had one of the best Eisbeins I have ever had

Turkey is not the worst in the region, not by a long shot. Remember Turkey is instrumental in areas like The airstrike campaign against ISIS, Turkey provides logistical support to numerous Western air forces Turkey is very important in helping to process and contain large numbers of refugees wanting to get into the EU ISIS is still the worst by far

But guys despite Turkeys internal domestic strife the country is of immense strategic value to the West and is important to ensure stability in the region So we dont want Turkey to fail

Yes but this only will be a temporary cessation of the airstrikes, Turkey needs time to assess this coup and there will be numerous arrests Sounds to me more like a purge of non-Islamic fanatic generals and a spit in the face of US for US now officially supporting Kurds in north Iraq Yes there is some truth in this concern, Erdogan has said he can now purge Turkey of ...people who oppose him? http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/turkey-government-launches-purge-attempted-coup-160716162415421.html

Yes but this will only be a temporary cessation of the airstrikes, Turkey needs time to assess this coup and there will be numerous arrests

Oh QFT Zora is a true armchair master of how " massive structural changes to the EU are necessary and how the West is about to collapse " yet he lives, judges and "shows concern from his nice safe world of NZ" Remember Zora wants the West to fail, I am use to debates with people like him...since 9/11 in fact. Dont take what he says seriously, its always the same. Part of what he says is true and relevant and part of what he says is biased and hyperbole ...its best to consider him a permanent " hostile witness about the West "

Is exactly the question we should be asking. Sure 'Islam' will pop up- and should be adressed- as 'communist' or 'liberal' did back in the day or 'Christian' if we go back a little further.. but seeing as clamping down back then didn't work at all, perhaps we shouldn't stop asking when we hit the first label... But Ros the common denominator is Islamic Extremism Its not the same as Islam which represents the majority of Muslims

Gfted1...I detect the hint of sarcasm in your tone

I'm not so sure mankind should be the ones to pay? I would rather Islamic extremism was eradicated than everyone else pay?

I fear we're all underestimating the rapidly growing discontent of the western middle class with the status quo.. To the point that I fear both Trump and Le Pen have a very real chance to win in their respective elections. Immediately after the Brexit vote I thought that there was that risk, but Trump seems to be intent on staying within his primary talking points, which appeal to the Republican base and almost literally no one else in the US. His VP pick appears to be dire, and has already been lambasted even before it has been officially announced. Guys Hilary Clinton is going to win the Presidential race in November, I thought this was something we had all begrudgingly or kind of agreed on? Why are we even doubting this?

The problem is when Muslims self-segregate which it seems they do there from what I'm reading, assimilation isn't going to happen. They have to want it and it seems they don't. It's becoming a problem here in the US in the refugee communities. The Islamic refugees are forming isolated and insular groups that choose not to participate in the society they live in. You can't force someone to assimilate. Unless of course you are Borg. So France is one of the worst examples of successful integration, the reasons are complex and its not all the fault of the French. So yes the French Muslim community also needs to accept its share or responsibility But you dont want the USA to end up like France with real examples of Muslim segregation. But in the USA I cant see this happening, its unlikely?

No I don't support the view this is a example of " cultural incompatibility " France does indeed face unique issues around integration of parts of its Muslim community but there are many other EU countries that have been very effective at integration

Guys France does face unique challengers and additional risks from Islamic extremism because of there perceived failures to integrate French speaking Muslims from the former colonies of Tunisia and Algeria There are real ghettos in France where disillusioned and disenfranchised Muslims live who dont feel they are part of the French community. These ghettos are hotbeds of Islamic extremism, I would argue France faces the biggest risk of attack from extremism than most other Western countries My support and thoughts go out to the French people

@ Shady Sorry to hear that about your granddad, my thoughts are with you

You are correct about this, I assumed they would be hookers but not necessarily, they probably students or other women I am impressed you knew this, I didnt think most people knew about this appalling practice .When did you learn about this?

How did you know that? I do stay in a nice, security patrolled, high walled, gated and affluent community but this is exactly where I want to stay, remember I come from white privilege

I thought you guys may appreciate that but you also never know in SA because we always looking for new things that may be racist or offensive

If it has shifted it has done so in the direction of "less freedom". Sounds to me like it's time to stockpile weapons, ammo, gold coins and canned food again, What am I saying? It's ALWAYS time to do that! Yes thats true, I remember when I first noticed you about to have a break after the second Obama victory ... I didnt know you well then so I thought " this guy is really depressed. He is even buying gold always known as safe bet in economic uncertainty "

You raise some good points but remember 70 % of the USA are white. So lets say there are 210 million white people and only 11 million voted for him now So only 1/20 of all white people supported him so nothing should be mandatory or defined about Trump or his outcome

I'd be reluctant to ascribe a singular motive or feeling to large groups of people involving complex situations of which they may only be partially aware. Sure I agree with that sentiment But I have had that debate with Sarex and Drowsy many times and I cant recall anyone ever supporting me ...one guy once but he wasnt local So I assumed people just didnt care to point out the obvious reality that Serbia was involved in war crimes but remember the guys deny this and will end up ignoring you and calling you a troll So when you point it out that will probably be the last time either guy will speak to you I dont compromise on certain truths so I am use to some people just blocking me ..I think there are about 10 people who block me

No Sorry I was talking to Shady but I posted it in Hurlshots family thread which was inappropriate for that thread so I moved it