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"Be nice to muslims or they will kill you, because islam is the religion of peace", the post. No The message is "if someone becomes an extremist, help him and solve the problems that made him an extremist, don't just radicalise him further by showing more hate". Is that really so difficult to understand? How do you help an ex-ISIS member who has been fighting for ISIS in one form or another for the last 5 years?

No there is no doubt on the strategy, the way you address a group like ISIS is to annihilate them in there so called " caliphate " which basically exists in 2 cities and one is under siege by various ME forces. These cities are Mosul in Iraq and Raqqa in Syria Once ISIS is militarily defeated in these cities you vastly reduce the effectiveness of there ideological message that resonates with some people. Then you work with the Muslim community in various Western countries to eradicate any extremist element that exists in these countries

Some could say that there would be much less people immigrating if France had not conquered quite lot other countries in North Africa, Middle East and Asia. In the early 1960's France, like the UK, gave back all their colonies, there was no more occupation or Colonialism http://www.empathosnationenterprises.com/Consulate/EN-Library/Black-Studies/afindep.html So where do we draw the line where countries take responsibility for their own citizens, ensure good governance, stimulate their economies so there is less immigration? 100 years.....1000 years ? The line is where said action don't anymore have impact on people's lives. But France gave for lots of people in its colonies France citizenship, which is main reason why there is so many Muslims in France today. They had their assimilation policy where they teach people become French and then become French if it they didn't want to be French. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assimilation_(French_colonialism) Also France had law, passed in 1961 [article 21-19(5º)], that enabled people from former French territories to apply for immediate naturalisation, bypassing the normal five-year residency requirement for would-be French citizens. That was in effect until it was repealed (by article 82 of law 2006-911) on July 25, 2006 under the direction of Nicolas Sarkozy, who was then Minister of the Interior. So are we now criticizing France for trying to speed up the integration process from there former colonies or are you saying the integration was correct but the implementation was wrong? And what should they done differently in the 1960's-1980's that would have led to a different outcome nowadays where some of the French citizens from former colonies feel marginalized and turn to Islamic extremism and attack France itself ?

But Trump constantly insults the media and makes it personal, naturally that is going to increase the whole " us VS them " view some in the media feel A free media is a cornerstone of freedom of speech, when you call the media " the opposition " or " fake news " for many people you are actually attacking the principle of free speech So Trump plays a big part in this negative perspective the media have towards him

Some could say that there would be much less people immigrating if France had not conquered quite lot other countries in North Africa, Middle East and Asia. In the early 1960's France, like the UK, gave back all their colonies, there was no more occupation or Colonialism http://www.empathosnationenterprises.com/Consulate/EN-Library/Black-Studies/afindep.html So where do we draw the line where countries take responsibility for their own citizens, ensure good governance, stimulate their economies so there is less immigration? 100 years.....1000 years ?

not getting it, are you? we were dismissive o' your admitted blind posting o' an article you didn't even bother to read, and your defense o' such ridiculous behavior. the fact you still don't grasp your error only compounds the mistake you made, and increases our mirth. serious. how is this not getting through to you? HA! Good Fun! And now you are blatantly lying, because you dismissed the article BEFORE I said anything about reading it. Tough luck. Being pretentious can bite you in the end. Ha! Good Fun! Dude please, just quit when you already horribly beaten ...dont drag on the embarassment

alternative facts. you are getting into the spirit o' the thread with gusto. HA! Good Fun! volo this is a '" safe spot " , I know it may seem like Im teasing you but lets not be impulsive and dismiss any honest assessments I would like everyone to just be mature and accept criticism in the spirit its meant to be...constructive , your post is not all alternative facts but parts of it come across questionable and irrational I will breakdown what concerns me in your post ?

At least most of mankind is aware of what harms the earth and we are generally committed to a sustainable lifestyle as far as the ecosystem is concerned So no need for guilt or thoughts of mass genocide of all humans...that seems very excessive and unhelpful

I went to a really good private school, my teachers were hard-working, understanding and erudite. They were always prepared to spend extra time with us if required, I received an excellent education and Im grateful for that as it helped in later life in various ways

The ones who don't agree with you you mean. WOD !!! Stop being cheeky.... I dont expect people to agree with me, I am not right all the time and Im surprised you would think this? I am only right 95-98 % of the time

Can I be honest with you guys in the USA, I would be much concerned about the large numbers of adults in the USA who reject certain social, economic and political realities and instead embrace the world of alternative facts and post-truth

No Bennie, you have made an attempt to understand the ME and as usual I respect that but this time I am going to correct you because I dont want you thinking that Islam isnt the problem Of course it is, that is exactly the problem because the Islamic world is basically going through a crisis of identity ...they need to recognize and address extremism within there communities. There is no other solution Also the Arab Spring was caused exactly because of the lack of allocation of resources due to this view that families and dictators had been ruling most of the countries in a form of divine right and they refused to be inclusive The entire ME is one cauldron of historical resentment and outdated ideologies. They have no respect for human rights and in most countries its the death penalty for homosexuality Its much easier for you to tell me what exactly is positive at the moment in the ME?

You mean same country that Trump chose to be his first country to align towards? It is OK for USA to reach agreements with Russia but not for Iran? Well that is not what happened, the sanctions against Russia havent been dropped so what agreements do you mean?

Iran does not have any "ISIS groups". Right, like slavery for instance... Yes I understand Iran is incongruous But lets be fair, until the actual Nuclear negotiations were done you had extreme hostility from the Conservative Iranians ..,..burning US flags and being very belligerent. And of course Iran did happily send soldiers into Iraq and they did kill many US soldiers during that conflict. Remember http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582898/QandA-Who-is-Moqtada-al-Sadr.html And also what was the first country Iran aligned to after the sanctions were dropped ? http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Opinion/2016/08/19/What-Russias-new-closeness-with-Iran-means/5491471617181/ But I understand you also have moderate people in Iran who are glad the agreement was reached, I have been to Iran. We have investments like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTN_Irancell Also I know the history of your culture and the Persian ancestry

We have been bombing basically every country between Egypt, Turkey and Iran for the better part of 15 years now, along with much of the north coast of Africa.. and then we get surprised when people want to escape the lawless hellholes we helped create. It's sobering to see just how irresponsible the West really is, the 20th century should have been lesson enough. I don't support or particularly like Russia's approach, but at least they seem to be working towards an end, rather than just 'bombing for the lulz' which most of the American led coalition (us included) have done for decades. If you create a mess, you're damn well responsible for cleaning it up... At least in the house I grew up in. Ros I appreciate your view, lets continue this debate because you raise a common view yet its not accurate or fair I have been involved in the ME since 2001, I have studied and researched the various movements and ideologies and the rise of ISIS and AQ I am not saying this means you must believe me, it just means I am very comfortable with the facts around this debate Please read this link as its a summary of why we have the real instability in the ME. Libya and Syria were caused by this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring How is the West responsible for this, its not helpful to keep making excuses for valid economic changes that many Muslims wanted

Im agnostic, I see no issue with ensuring better security. The reality is the Middle East and the AU need to take some responsibity for this mess....you cant always expect the West to solve these types of problems

I agree...its irritating, its like they saying " make sure we can enter or we will become mass murderers "

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pm-trudeau-says-canada-welcomes-refugees-052346955.html Its good you guys are finally stepping up ...well done volo I can see Canada converting into a Muslim country, you do realize most Muslims wont like you ?

Hi algoth Sorry I haven't said hello until now What are your concerns, please be very honest Hey Bruce! I don't see what isn't concerning about the way things have gone in the Trump administration of yet. You have the president to the most powerful nation in the world acting as an autocrat with complete disregards for human rights, facts, science, or the very values that his country's based on. His combative, disdainful attitude to everyone else both in and outside the US is only bound to cretive further conflict, not lessen it. Okay, its several things. Where do you live if you dont mind me asking ?

We were just incredibly racist back then. It got a bit better in 1965. Hurlshot I know you have put real effort into understanding the Muslim community in the USA, this wont impact the local Muslim community in the USA. I have always respected that about your religious beliefs. If I was a Christian I would follow your example...look at this in SA, how do we deal with this? This pastor spews hate and then for 2 days some black Christians then feel they need to phone in on radio stations and basically quote the bible and how homosexuality is a sin....its against our constitution but how do we say this? http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/grace-bible-church-trends-after-homophobic-comments-20170122

Hi algoth Sorry I haven't said hello until now What are your concerns, please be very honest

Because they are allies of USA and were just forward thinkers in policies that USA will establish? dont get cheeky young man, you know how much you will enjoy a good spanking But Elerond the double standards needs to stop, no Sunni country in the ME has taken any refugees and even the Syrians that flee Syria to there neighbours dont get accepted as citizens unless they can pay which most cant ....so they live in these terrible and inhuman refugee camps, they cant leave but they are safe at least https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/05/world/middleeast/zaatari-refugee-camp-in-jordan-evolves-as-a-do-it-yourself-city.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/lebanon-camps-syria-refugees-slam-trump-bar-134027325.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/trump-syrian-refugees.html All these countries have ISIS groups, so its a valid preventative measure, are you worried this making the USA look bad ? I support the USA in basically everything because it represents the foundation of Western ideology, if this was really a bad idea I would tell you If I'm understanding your post correctly, I don't think mooks are afraid that the general US citizen is armed. They mostly plan on dying anyway. And I don't think we've got some secret method for intercepting plots. The "war on terror" has been going on for decades so it seem like someone would have bloodied our noses again by now. What could it be? Since the Bush administration and the advancements around NSA technology like Prism and the alliances with ME countries like Saudi the USA has prevented many attacks on the USA. You just dont know about them But no one can really stop homegrown or lone wolf attacks like the Boston marathon bombing

These things happen, Im sure he will be let in. Somalia hasn't had a functional government for 25 years !!! The AU if it had political will and interest could have defeated Al-Shaab by now.....but no so the AU just lets Somalia stay broken and take no responsibility I saw an interview where the CNN team now were interviewing Trump and seemed to question his opinion where he said " Muslims hate us " ....the CNN team didnt believe it https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/09/trump-i-think-islam-hates-us/?utm_term=.cc957b577be8 But it is true in many cases, as I was saying in SA the Muslism community are blaming the USA for 9/11 and ignoring the global reality of Islamic extremism. Its gets irritating when I travel to the ME and have to be subjected to anti-USA sentiment and how the USA is to blame for everything. This is basically a verbal attack on the West so honestly why do all these Muslims want to immigrate to the West? Why dont the Sunni Muslim countries accept some of them?

Gfted1 trust me when I tell you have no reason to feel the USA is being unfair, none of these countries are able to vet anyone who gets on planes and wants to fly anywhere. This alone and the fact we know all these countries export extremism should be more than enough reason to ban them Yes people seem shocked but again if we could do the same in Africa we would ....read these links to see what they have done http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/22/world/meast/kenya-mall-al-shabaab-analysis/index.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-27/al-shabaab-attacks-kenya-army-base-in-somalia-claims-51-killed http://www.france24.com/en/20161025-kenya-somalia-shabaab-attacks https://www.yahoo.com/news/al-shabaab-attacks-kenya-hotel-175506615.html http://allafrica.com/stories/201701270456.html