BruceVC

Nope. what 'bout the numerous "pretty ladies" who were groped/assaulted by trump? doesn't seem fair to exclude 'em if ivanka is okie dokie fodder... though Gromnir is not actual advocating such. quite the opposite. Gromnir we dont want this thread to turn into some depraved and profoundly iniquitous sexual den of licentiousness and turpitude with inappropriate pictures of women ..its all about our moral compass

Not your sources, BVC, its you yourself! I frequently scour the forums with the search function just to find your pearls of wisdom to impart onto others. You funny... " scour the forums "

Thats also what Breitbert wants you to think! They have their fingers in everything and if something doesnt fit someones narrative, its all Breitberts fault. Im pretty sure their server is maintained by the Antichrist under the Vatican. Obviously, I'm greatly entertained by the back-and-forth pissing contests of who's source is "better". Internet, you never let me down. Gfted1 wouldn't you agree with all your years on this forum and everything you have seen you can objectively say my sources of information are the most accurate?

Like you don't know that here is massive difference in elected president claiming things in official setting compared to private citizens whining about something. Also there was provable case of hacking and leaking information during elections, as we all were able to see those leaked emails, even if people that did hack and leak can't be identified for sure, where any proof that even singular people are voting illegally is nearly non-existent and there isn't anything that even remotely suggest thousands let alone millions of people are voting illegally in US. But world where everything that you claim is just alternative fact there seems to be no need for any proof and if such behavior is accepted for president and his advisory then it is accepted to everybody else. volo I have to say Elerond is 100 % correct in this post, I would strongly suggest you heed his wise words

Well thank you good sir. And the phone is second hand. Besides, look at Engels and tell me that only workers can be socialists Bennie everyone wants you to join there side, young people are the ideological political and social future of all these different movements and views we have around systems of government I want you to join me, I recognize and support the ONLY system that has guaranteed the happiest and overall wealthiest countries in the world in the last 500 years . Bennie I represent a world of progress and economic sustainability. Join me....join the world of Responsible Capitalism....it offers real advantages to uplift people Marx was an idealist, human beings are not equal and we should not be seen as equal as we define our own destinies and some people for a variety of reasons will achieve more than others. One of the best ways to motivate people is to incentivise them Read this on Responsible Capitalism http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanrefoy/2014/09/25/delivering-responsible-capitalism-the-growth-of-employee-ownership/#302359113653

I'll be honest, I didn't read the link. I've stopped clicking CNN stuff so i don't help them with amount of clicks something gets. What I will say is that I agree with ur sentiment, one of the biggest problems we had in obama and during the election was having is the "alternate facts" shoved as "actual facts". The way I could see Trump actually succeeding better is to actually use "actual facts" instead of alternate facts. It would be easier to show if anything being manipulated and even give him an extra "I don't give a **** if u get offended" vibe that a lot of people like and on top of that would make the media look even worse if they continued on. Accept ur flaws and defeats (ur in office so **** them) and be proud of ur achievements that ARE achievements. Him and his people being honest and straight forward will indeed continue to piss people off BUT just maybe just maybe, this could be a way to reign in and force the media to use more blunt and honest tactics. Because who would want evidence that Trump was more "honorable" than they are? Lol I think I like this post but I need to read it a bit later when I'm not so stoned so I can comment objectively

What, just because she's a woman she can't be incompetent? Coddle women much? Better don your white knight armour. She's not going to sleep with you, you know. Such an SJW sentiment yadda yadda blah blah sorry, my heart's not into it today. Either way, if someone's not doing their job right their gender doesn't matter. This is a good post, the gender of a person doesnt mean they cant be corrupt, inept or uninformed Volo you need to understand this, it doesnt help the cause of gender equality if you think women are perfect and cant do anything wrong. I appreciate your commitment to feminism but your post is unhelpful

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/22/media/alternative-facts-donald-trump/index.html The sooner Kellyanne Conway gets fired the better for the future of the Trump presidency, she literally creates her own terms and words when she defends certain controversial statements that Trump or Spicer make There is no such thing as " alternative facts ", there are the facts and then there is fiction or hyperbole. The new world of post-truth, you have to love it and be concerned I don't predict this culture of various Trump spokesmen happily feeding the post-truth narrative can sustain itself longer than 18 months or so

Me and Bruce were just kidding around, honest. Is TN talking about us? Yes of course we joking, its just mild badinage Unless he's talking about Volo, but Volo was referring to the mayor, not to anyone here. I doubt he was talking about us ....but I doubt he was talking about volo as his comments also seemed normal?

Me and Bruce were just kidding around, honest. Is TN talking about us? Yes of course we joking, its just mild badinage

This protest isnt an " I dont accept Trump " protest, its an " anti-Trump " protest You will see this often as he really offended people and minorities

So the US authorized itself, therefore it was legal. In other words, "might makes right". Can't really argue with that. Great philosophy while you're top dog, not so great when you cease to be. It was legal inasmuch as the standards for going to war under the US Constitution were met. It was "legal" if for no other reason than there is no international body to whom sovereign states are beholden to justify themselves to or has power to redress the wrongs they do. Was it just? Was it moral? No, I'd have to say it wasn't. With Iraq at least. Add to that it was extraordinarily ill-advised and what you have left is, I hope, an object lesson to future administrations to use military force more judiciously and sparingly. Sometimes the status quo is better than all the possible alternatives. And I'm sorry to say, might does make right. When Russia invaded Crimea did the "international police" go arrest Putin? Did anyone do much of anything meaningful? Not really. So to me that means it is incumbent on those with might to learn from past lessons and use their power responsibly. Which brings me back around to Manning going public with bad deeds which just puts everyone's back up rather than be a true whistle blower and give the information to people who might have done some good with it. Afghanistan was 100 % legal, necessary and absolutely should be supported by all Americans who are patriotic Al-Qaeda was behind 9/11, AQ was using Afghanistan as a base...the Taliban were housing AQ and refused to hand Bin Laden over. The USA and its coalition was completely justified to invade Afghanistan

You right WOD.....so that means Im stoned how many days out the week

WOD you probably missed something in translation, what language did you listen to them? You guys wont believe this....I have just heard an accusation on a radio station by some loser that said " there is a new social problem driven by people called SJW " .....now people are using the words SJW in a radio discussion !!!!! I am going to have to move very quickly to explain these words should only be used on the Internet Believe me, I know English better than you do. And I'm not stoned all the time, so I can actually think logically. Im not stoned all the time? Only 6 days out of the week

WOD you probably missed something in translation, what language did you listen to them? You guys wont believe this....I have just heard an accusation on a radio station by some loser that said " there is a new social problem driven by people called SJW " .....now people are using the words SJW in a radio discussion !!!!! I am going to have to move very quickly to explain these words should only be used on the Internet

What a **** move. He should have shown some balls and turn himself in. Assange has again shown what a complete parasite and disingenuous person he is He has no integrity and I hope one day he is jailed

Why did you never say that about Obama's speeches, they are much better

I have been watching the Trump auguration It was good and had some awesome moments, I loved the last singing of the US anthem....one of the most beautiful and evocative versions I have heard

The difference has been explained, Manning was treated very badly after being arrested and was deeply mentally unbalanced. He was kept in solitary confinement and denied hormone treatment. His crime was leaking military and international cables Snowden betrayed his country's internal state secrets as he worked for the NSA and ended up living and finding shelter in an enemy country, he made no attempt to return to the USA to face his sentence

we have. numerous times. given the tone o' the thread, this is not the place for us to discuss our feelings regarding obama's gutting of nasa. in the spirit o' the thread, we will observe how obama deserves credit for killing the absolute asinine don't ask, don't tell policy o' the us military. I appreciate the historical analysis of Trump going forward, it helps to ameliorate the angst for some But I see the Trump presidency as unique .....and something we are living through. Im not saying it will be terrible or ignominious but we just don't know what he will do around some global realities or how his new advisors will impact change

This is a true and accurate post. But its belated, you should have been honest years ago/ You see its not hard to like Obama, he really was well liked and did a good job in many places in the world and the USA Now we have Trump and he is very unpredictable and undermines all your ideological views and certain counties

Why are you annoyed? Does (s)he get tax breaks that you don't for having a court recognize him as a woman or something? Only affects him*, really, which is why your King of England analogy doesn't hold water. That being said, if you can get the British Parliament to recognize you as the King of England, I'll be happy to address you as befitting your station. Let's imagine for a second that tomorrow gene therapy allows these people to have their chromosomal endowment rearranged. Would you still be uncomfortable referring to him a she? *to be fair, it affects everyone, because the whole pronoun thing is a total cluster**** You know, I really don't know why it bothers me. It always irritates me when someone refers to their car engine as a motor too. An engine and a motor are two different things. I guess I'm just kind of anal retentive like that. I demand people call a thing what it is. But if they could magically replace Manning's Y chromosome with another X, well that would make him a her. Heck they don't even need to go that far. Once the surgeries are finished that's close enough. But until then he is a dude in a dress taking pills. ...And here I thought the entire point of your stupid language having two different words for the concept of physical sex (ie. sex) and the concept of gender identity (ie. gender) was so you can make that distinction (Hungarian doesn't have gendered pronouns nor does it differentiate between engines and motors, so it's clearly a superior language.) alum how are the LGBT rights in Hungary under your current PM? Under scrutiny I imagine?

Not really I have been in that pasture since day 1 , I have never changed my view and its become more trenchant and justified actually since the Syria crisis I knew many people in that war and we had civilian contractor work ...so I have first hand view. I encourage people to tell me what is wrong with anything I have said and we can have a debate

Yeah. You do know that kind of reasoning was thrown out by the US in, er, the Nuremberg Trials, right? Following orders is not a valid defense to justify supporting illegal wars or wartime acts, let alone some twisted interpretation of "patriotism". And by the way, unlike in the US, there was conscription in Germany. Dat victor's justice doe I guess, following the same logic, that you'd be on the side of All-American gangbangers mugging and killing foreign tourists, "once the shooting starts". Provided they proudly wear the US flag on their shoulder, ofc. First of all I am only addressing Manning leaking information. I didn't say anything about WHAT was leaked or what I thought about it. Don't comment on points I didn't make. Second of all your example of "all-American gangbangers" assaulting tourists and somehow conflating that wit the actions of an armed service in a combat zone is about the most intellectually vacant thing I've read this year. I am a little surprised it came from you. For the record this thread is about Manning and his actions. Some of the info leaked describes activity that could credibly be called war crimes. But not all or of or even most of it. The body to deal with this kind of information in the US is the Congress, and the DoD. Had Manning sent information of illegal acts to the Senate Armed Services Committee instead of Wikileaks his story would likely have gone down completely different. GD dont let 2133 try to enforce this spurious notion of an illegal war " , this is just a generalisation and anti-USA sentiment. Some people love to blame the state of Iraq and ISIS on the USA...its not as I'll explain later I like 2133, he is clever and supports deep SJ issues and has a way with words. But he constantly attacks and criticizes global finance markets and institutions, He thinks the EU is an unjust, mercurial and biased union....all this would be acceptable in a forum debate except for the incongruous and contradictory view he has of why his own country is undergoing necessary and self-inflicted austerity ....he refuses to accept Spanish responsibility for the austerity and blames the EU and Germany. See the reasons for the austerity in Spain http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5525/economics/spanish-economic-crisis-summary/ This also covers the negative but things are better than this article. In summary factors like inflexible labor markets, rising government debt and failure to regulate there banking sector which left them susceptible to the 2008 crisis. Spain need to take responsibility for sustaining there own economy like many African countries do ..i have faith in them, just drop the siestas and try to work a full day And now Iraq, yes the USA initially went into iraq under the wrong pretense. But the Shias and Sunni were truly offered a chance at peace and there interpretation of Democracy. Are we suggesting the Iraqis aren't capable of understanding peace? Of course they can but they wanted to annihilate each other, we saw this enhanced in aspects of the Arab Spring and the rise of ISIS and there ideological objective of total war on most of the ME But the USA still left iraq with a functional government in 2011 under a Shia majority and Nouri al-Maliki as PM, all he was told was " integrate the 20% Sunni minority " ...but they ignored this as they were aligned to Iran..they marginalized the Sunni who then joined ISIS You can blame the West for Arab leaders failing to follow good governance and support human rights I wont ....nope the West can take some blame but the majority lies in the ME

He did many positive things and ensured the USA didnt go into a deep recession in 2008 He has one of the highest popularity rates considering the normal view people have after 2 terms The space program? That is the first time anyone has mentioned that.....dont you think the cost wasnt worth the other pressing issues the USA faced in 2008?