Mamoulian War

I have found one hour long video analysis of the possible consequences of long term conflict for the "west", Ukraine and Russia. It was worth the watch, and it answered a lot of my questions (e.g. why Ruble is still so strong). I would hope that here is at least one or two economy savvy forumites, which will watch it whole and point out to his strong sides and flaws of his analysis, and share it with us, I would be very grateful

Are you still trying to find any logic behind Russian statements?

According to former State Duma deputy, only 58 marines out of 510 were saved from Moskva. And we might see first hints, where will be the next Special Military Operation taking place

The possible nuclear warheads on Moskva were mentioned by BBC as well

More info about Moskva by BBC Russia. The information by the Russian MoD, that they rescued all 510 sailors are most likely false. What a surprise https://t.me/bbcrussian/26888 Google translated: "Maritime security of Ukraine: the crew of "Moscow" was not evacuated due to a storm The Russian military failed to evacuate the crew of the sunken cruiser "Moskva", said Natalya Gumenyuk, spokeswoman for the Ukrainian border guard maritime guard. "The hit led to the detonation of the ammunition - and the struggle for survivability began. We watched how other ships tried to provide assistance, but even the forces of nature were on the side of Ukraine. Because the storm did not allow either to carry out a calm rescue operation or to evacuate the crew. Defeats so serious that the combat capability of the ship has been lost," she said. The night before, the Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed that the cruiser had sunk. Representatives of the Ukrainian authorities reported that the Moskva cruiser was attacked by Ukrainian Neptune missiles. Russia does not recognize this. According to the statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the crew of the cruiser was evacuated to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet in the area. The department did not mention the dead or wounded. On Friday, Russian news agencies, citing sources, reported that the crew of the Moskva cruiser had been delivered to Sevastopol. At the same time, the interlocutors of the agencies did not specify how many people were on the cruiser when the fire started there, and how many sailors were evacuated."

Around the Moskva, there are slowly emerging rumours, that it might have carried Nuclear Missiles. Anyone here with a good knowledge into naval military stuff, who can do some theorycrafting, how plausible this statement might be?

A coincidence I say! Or as typical Russian troll would say, All must me properly investigated first to draw proper conclusion!

Well considering that the Russians also dug trenches in Red Forest, and got destroyed 15 times in a row at Kherson Airport, well, I think inventing some new words is already due, and attacking Odessa by sea would be now just another jewel in the crown of stupid decisions already made by their commanders

Answering to all of you at once this time Yeah the ship sunk. It was confirmed by Russian RIA Novosti and TASS. The reason why it sunk in the end was, that after the explosions (my take would be it was really from Neptunes, because, when was the last time Russians told truth?), The Russian navy tried to save the ship by towing it to Crimea, (un)fortunately there was really ****ty weather on Black Sea, and the ship just sunk with all of the military equipment while being towed. https://t.me/tass_agency/127473 Google translate: The cruiser Moskva sank while being towed in a storm, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

From what I've read, the weather is not the best for assessing the situation correctly.

It should, we'll hopefully see in few days. Also from what I understood, the weather before/during/after the incident was not good, so the weather might be the real reason, why there is still lack of pictures available...

From what I understood, now that the Mykolaiv is unreachable to Russia, the Black Sea Fleet is considered the only way how to start/stage the attack on Odessa, a city which is pretty high in the hierarchy of cities to defeat for Russian propaganda. And Moskva was also the primary defense system against attacks on supply ships in the area. Yes, from the reports I've read (not sure how true they are) they made the air defense of Moskva busy with couples of Bayraktars, so they probably did not noticed the Neptunes, until it was to late. EDIT: The situation about the Kherson Airport was so ridiculous already week or two ago, that the official Ukrainian Army Media Officer did compare it to the famous scene from Far Cry 3 in one of his speeches

As mentioned little bit above it was completely retrofitted in 2000, so it can be considered newer than Ticonderoga. I have not knew before, they are armed with S300 rockets by default, so thank you for the correction. I have see it more or less as a pretty big hit to their prestige as well, but the monetary value for me was pretty interested, as they will be unable to replace it with anything else for a very long time. Also it was the main defense ship in Black Sea (I think also the biggest) So it pretty much crippled Russian naval attack and defense potential in whole Black Sea. Also one more article about Moskva, with more details. And yes, I know the reputation of Daily Mail, but so far, one of the most detailed info on the incident available now, which I've found, which is citing both sides. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10717065/Go-f-Russian-warship-BLOWN-Cruiser-Moskva-hit-Ukrainian-missile.html

More information about what happened at Black Sea, armament of the ship, and the strategic implications of the loss for Russia. Said by one of our retired generals, who knows a lot about how Russian military works. Google translate from his official Facebook page. "The destruction of the Moscow cruiser is a severe blow to Russia All indications are that the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the missile cruiser Moscow is over. This was to happen after being hit by two Neptune missiles of Ukrainian production. This is extremely bad news for the Black Sea Fleet. In addition to the command, this ship was also to provide missile defense for the fleet. The cruiser became known for the incident on Serpent Island, and it appears to have ended up where it was sent by the island's defenders, who refused to surrender. The Moscow cruiser was 46 years old. It was originally called Glory. It was built in 1976 and was included in the armament in 1979. The cruiser was decommissioned in 1990. Subsequently, it was modernized and re-assigned to the Navy in 2000 under the new name Moscow. It is an important ship and its loss will hurt the Russians very much. The Russians have already announced that after the ship's fire and the explosion of its ammunition, they had to evacuate the ship. It was a 186.4 m long ship, literally packed with weapons of all kinds. The Russians have not yet officially admitted that they lost the ship as a result of the Ukrainian attack. They obscure the fire, but did not specify its cause. The ship's armament included 16 fixed launchers for anti-ship missiles P-1000, 64 vertical containers for air defense system missiles S-300 and launchers for 40 missiles Axis for air protection of the ship itself and a variety of weapons. The equipment was supplemented by torpedo chambers and a helicopter. It was this rocket-laden ship that was supposed to be the best protection for the entire fleet against Ukrainian attacks. Without this ship, the fleet will be significantly more vulnerable. The possibility of a naval landing at Odessa is thus significantly reduced. The Russian navy has so far been more or less intact, but it has kept its distance. A number of caliber flat-caliber missiles were fired from the ships, destroying targets throughout Ukraine. The Ukrainians originally wanted to get a total of 6 Neptune fire batteries in the spring of this year, but according to published reports, they have only one battery. The Neptune rocket is a missile with a flat flight path. It is derived and redesigned from the original S-125 (Neva) anti-aircraft missile, which was also in the arsenal of the Slovak Armed Forces in the second half of the 1990s. Rating: After the heavy losses of the ground forces and air force, the loss of the anti-missile cruiser, which was supposed to protect the entire fleet, is another shameful message for the Russian armed forces. It does not fit into the concept of a special military operation. The Russians will deny the destruction of the attack. But they will have to stay away from the shore. To make matters worse, the Ukrainians said they were seizing ten merchant ships from the Russians. They were in Odessa for repairs." EDIT: Just for the sake of it, Russian official stance on the incident by MoD: Russian Ministry of Defense says fire at cruiser Moskva has been contained, explosions ceased, crew evacuated and the vessel is being tugged to the port.

The official Kherson Airport report by Arestovych from three hours ago. Apparently, the Ukraine wiped the floor with Russian forces for 15th time at the same spot Google translated from Ukrainian: "- You will laugh, but ... Chernobaevka-15. Warehouses with ammunition of the 22nd Army Corps (Crimea) were destroyed. Plus - the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, the cruiser "Moskva" made a negative ascent in the area of the island where it was sent to yuh. Gestalt is closed. Where is Moscow? "She drowned." The sinking of the Moskva is a colossal military event and the largest defeat of the Russian fleet since WWII, and the largest warship sunk in the world since 1945. A very ringing slap in the face, all the more symbolic in name. You wouldn't go, damn it, to Ukraine.)"

Also, sorry for another multipost, but only now, I have found another funny news A day after Russian settled again at Kherson airport. There is a report that the Kherson Airport is again on fire (In all seriousness, if I count correctly, it is 12th attack of Ukrainian army on the same airport, after the Russians had settled there and got annihilated over and over and over Even few high ranked commanders were eliminated during these counterattacks It's a biggest military meme in the last 100 years

I have already seen, that the Zelensky's adviser has already said, that the Bild/CNN was not correct about that statement. All I have found so far is this though:

Oh, it's a Beamdog game... Hmm... Hype gone... Will wait year or two then, to see how the score will be then...

More news on Moskva, keep in mind, part of it is unconfirmed: Cost of the ship in todays money vould be 1-2billions USD. It is said, it was loaded with S300s to support occupied territories with AA defense. Ergo, if this is true, depending of number of S300s loaded, Ukraine just sunk minimum of 3 billions USD with two rockets...

We do care. Only in Vysegrad Countries and Romania are more than 4.5 millions of them. Even my incompetent government is pumping a lot of money to volunteers and companies who help the refugees with accommodation and work.

As I see it, Poles had some kind of military training near the Ukrainian borders and during the lunch break, they decided to left the keys in the starters, considering being safe, but unfortunately, they did not get a memo, that on the other side of the border, the Ukrainian 1st Tractor division has an exercise as well, and probably some of their farmers just could not resist

I would consider this still as a false info. It was presented mainly by Kadyrovs, and their authenticity is pretty dubious... From their TikToks, the count of their PoW has been counted to apporx 50. Also Ukrainian MoD claims, that this is no true. My own guess would be, it is more than 50 soldiers, because some of them definitely surrendered due to no ammunition, but 1000 is a blatant Russian lie, like most of their statements in the last 105 years NextaTV report on this: Speaking about the breakthrough operation, it looks like it was successful. Not sure how many other units have tried to join them, but few hundreds of them are allegedly now with Azov. Google Translate of the tweet: In Mariupol, a unit of the 36th Independent Marine Brigade - Rear Admiral Belinsky, managed to get out of the enemy's siege and unite with the Azov Regiment. Several hundred Marines managed to get out, including the wounded. UA Insider

Well the difference is, that Saudis do not have nukes... But I am one of the people who got always attacked by being pro Russian, when I brought up this conflict and Saudis atrocities (not on these forums but IRL)... And whether we like it or not, people are more engaged, when their neighbours are being killed than some random folks 1000 miles away. Prime example would be, that people here gave as much **** about 9/11 as they give now about Saudis killing Yemenis

Technically, they are not mercenaries, as they have officially signed joining papers of the Ukrainian Foreign Legion. They needed to be approved by Ukrainian Military to join their ranks, to officially fight for them and get the official support by the Ukrainian Army. They are foreigners, but still part of the Ukrainian army. Of course there are also some foreigners which are there on their own. But it's much lower number, from what I understood.

Well to be honest, when you compare what had US done to Afghanistan compared to Soviet Union, then it's like small sting by needle compared to amputation of both legs... That does not mean, that I am condoning what they did made there...