jedipodo

No, I have to thank you. Our discussion really awakened my interest in philosophy.

Does the "Golden Rule" belong to "moral universalism" in your opinion?

No, sorry, no "in" with Lucas. I've read the novel. But I'm still looking forward to 19th. Huh, who said that?! Sorry, no offense intended, it was more of a question than a statement. Or maybe it is, as brain science found out, the lack of a morallity brain area?

It's very hard to find an example for this. I must admit that I've never thought about it before. I totally agree that morality is not a law of nature. But it has much to do with people, the humans, ever since their existence (prehistoric man). For example, a human being in general does't want to be harmed, neither does he/she like it if somebody lies to him/her, killing children is resolutely abnominated, etc. The permission to act in self-defence is a universally accepted morality, too. I think the terms of "good" and "evil" (in a very raw form) already emerge from those native patterns of thought. Therefore they might not be as "relative" as one could assume. I would call it "human morality", because it has its roots in the very nature of humans. In my opinion this is the fundamental basis of morality on the scale of culture and religion. My theory is that all societies at least have these abstract concepts in common. Mostly the difference is only the different sanction following a breach of these rules. BUT, of course, how could it be otherwise, there are also extremes. There are occurrences in history and present where people have been brainwashed and where the "human morality" has been "perverted" to an unbearable degree and isn't apparent any more at first glance. Moreover, there are various individuals and groups who abolished any morals about others. The Sith cult would fall into the "perverted" category... Now, please, tell me what you found out in your homework.

*Contains spoilers!* Sorry, I thought that regarding this, I was clear that I was talking about Anakin's point of view. As I understand it, the scene that he walks in on is Mace standing over a downed Palpatine, preparing to kill him. Rather than simply attack Windu, Anakin reminds him of the Code, insisting that the Chancellor must stand trial if Mace is right but that the Jedi do not kill unarmed opponents. Mace blows him off rather than explain anything and proceeds to attack Anakin's mentor and friend, and so the boy fights Windu. How is that a reduction of the deed? It is a reduction of the deed because Anakin knew about the power of Palpatine and that the Chancellor of the Republic is the mighty Sith Lord who is behind the war and everything. The Sith Lord even controlled the Senate and the courts; it's a ridicioulous assumption that a trial could send this "overlord" to prision. Additionally, Palpatine is the one who encouraged Anakin to kill defenseless Dooku. And, very remarkably, Anakin didn't hesitate then. I think Anakin's conscience was aware that his deed was wrong, even from his own moral point of view. But he simply didn't care at this very moment. He behaved egoistic and thinks that the Sith Lord is the only one with the ability to save Padme from certain death. How could it not be morally wrong from Anakin's point of view? He mutilated one of the most respectable Jedi, a member of Anakin's "family", and betrayed everything he fighted for up to now, including his old friend and "father" Obi-Wan. Is relativism, in your opinion, an attempt to factor out the existence of "wrong", because anything you do can be justified as your own point of view which is always "right"? I come to the conclusion that Anakin definitely considered his deed to be morally wrong, but did it anyhow to save Padme. Let me summarize: Everbody does the right thing at every time, so that everything fulfilled as predicted. Just as I supposed, this is exactly Darth Sidious' point of view... No, he did reveal himself to Anakin before the climatic battle with Windu (see spoiler tags above). No room for people who knowingly do the wrong?

A non-relativistic moral code is something fundamental, like "Under no circumstances would a living being have their life taken from them." Relative Morality starts to list the conditions under which it is okay to "Bend the rules", until you reach the other extreme, "Whatever you have to do to get what you want, regardless of the consequences to anyone else." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thought relativistic morality as described by relativism philosophy is when two sides look at one and the same issue with different point of views. What is "good" for somebody could be "evil" for somebody else. Therefore morality would be only a matter of how you judge an action and not whether it is fundamental or not. In my opinion this philosophy leads to a personal redefinition of morality in which any point of view can be justified.

@Cloris: From what you said earlier I thought I got your point. But now I'm not sure anymore. Please tell me, when you say "right thing to do", from what point of view are you looking at it? The only POV I could imagine you are refering to would be Darth Sidious'. Also I think Anakin did have all the facts. In his life he met several Sith Lords, hated them for good reason, and . Oh, and, I almost forgot, the irony is that . If you reduce the deed of Anakin to defending a helpless person and the Jedi Code (= ignoring the fact that Palpatine is the mighty Sith Lord in person, needless to say, who is already in control of the senate, the military and the courts) there would be no explanation why the Jedi (Yoda and Windu in particular) consider it the *false* and not the *right* thing to do. Is it that what you call relativism?

Interesting thesis. Maybe relativistic moral is only reserved to supernatural beings like gods or something like that.

Indeed, just remember the massive cloning of thinking individuals. There isn't even a moralistic POV on this issue in the SW universe.

Did they wipe his/ her memory? Wasn't that done by what happened to Revan on his/ her flagship? And even so, did they manipulate him, or merely give him the chance to see the light? You seem quick to forget that Revan remembered much about his/ her past life, especially after KotOR, so how could the Council possibly have been sure he/ she wouldn't have remembered sooner... and tured back to the Dark Side? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, if one wants Revan to remember the location of the Star Forge it wouldn't make sense to wipe his/her entire memory. Therefore it likely didn't happen.

But before Bastila managed to keep nearly braindead Revan alive. This was an act of mercy.

Tell that to Mace Windu. This is a good example for this "prisoner killing" issue. In consequence of some opinions here Anakin would have acted like an ideal Jedi and Windu is the evil Sith...

Unfortunately, it is not a bug that this door can't be opened.

Has Kreia already talked to you when you approach the door?

Me: Never.

It is the minimum and maximum size range of a planetoid that can sustain an atmosphere, given that it exists in a universe with laws of physics similar to ours. (Which, according to leading opinion -- i.e. Stephen Hawking in A Brief History of Time -- is not only possible but mandatory.) Which you would know if you bothered to read any of the link you are trying to dismiss. If you are trying to support the converse ideology; i.e. that whatever the illiterate artists have written in some of the official fanboy books that accompany the film releases is canon, then you should be aware that the article also quotes from an earlier source: namely an interview with Richard Edlund of Industrial Light & Magic. " The Deathstar, I think, will be a lot more interesting than the one in the first Star Wars

Depends on where you read it. The 1.6 for the ISD is absolutely correct, but if you do certain calculations, the Executor could be anywhere from 8km to 17.8km. Also, the Death Stars can be calculated to different sizes as well. Star Wars Technical Commentaries <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Technical Commentaries are ridiculous. What are these silly "calculations" good for? BTW what is the "scientific" size of the forest moon?

Do you have a lightsaber?

Are there any other programs running in the background? You could try to quit your virus scanner while playing.

There is possibly a way to install the automatic patch file manually. One could download the zip file from Lucasarts, unzip it to the KotOR2 directory, rename the extracted file to "patch.rtp" and then execute the following line in the command window (<k2dir> is a placeholder for the actual KotOR2 directory, e.g. "c:\games\swkotor2"): rundll32 <k2dir>\patchw32.dll,RTPatchApply32NoCall "<k2dir>" "<k2dir>\patch.rtp" But, sadly, this is a bit complicated and it could be better to wait for the release of the manual patch.

This file is indended for automatic update only, not for manual.

Malak and Uthar also had their appearances in Gothic II in 2002. IIRC both of them were ordinary farmers.

If I remember correctly the 4th bomb will always fail. Listen to the comlink what the Mandalorian tells you. You have to find an alternative...

The funny thing is that in the EpIII book Mace Windu admires Obi-Wan for his fighting abilites. He tells Obi that he is the most capable of all Jedi alive, and that Yoda and Windu, who are thought to be the best fighters, have weaknesses which they can only compensate with specially trained fighting techniques. After reading this I was assured to vote for Obi.

Mon Calamari (luxury) cruisers. These are very very robust ships.