Elric Galad

Balanced is different from being equal to actual creature stats. Animate Dead, Mordenkainen Swords and Planetars/Devas/Elemental Princes are basically the only summons worth using on BG Endgame. I wouldn't call it best summon system. Actually PoE is much better in my opinion.

My own opinion is that in basically every game summons tend to be complicated to balance and are complex spells overall. Most games just to have the budget or time to make things clean and just drop creatures on your summoner face without second thought Deadfire did better by implementing level scaling, but not applied to weapons. Too bad because they already had the ruleset to do so. Consider some example of what I've been through to make summons clean : - One of Eoathas Incarnate trio had an infinite recovery, so can act only once - Berath Pallid Knight has a mundane sword - Dragon with a bottomless pit of HP but less armor than a drake - Ultimate druid summon is basically a pet with big stats. They haven't been tested properly, so balancing them was out of reach ! Not enough time and budget, and too complicated to think about to be on top of the mind of a priority-driven game designer. So yes, it is an oversight, even a classical one (think about how poorly balanced summons were in BG), but the strangest thing in PoE is that it was left middle of the road, not totally forgotten. What makes things worse in Deadfire are : - The penetration system, which makes early game summons obsolete except as fodders - limit to 1 summon. Even classical casters can't ad a Tier 2 summon to support their Tier 7 ones. - For chanter : common ressource pool. Summoning the wurm spend precious points necessary to cast Ancient Weapons.

Pet's weapons have fixed base damages. They scale with character level similarly to summoned weapons. They also benefit from various ranger talents.

https://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity2/mods/438 The Summon package of this mod basically implement it, just in case you could be interested.

https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/114591-mechanics-the-summoners-tables/ Basically yes, they level up but for their weapons it depends : for some summons, yes, for other (like wurms) no.

After checking, Watchful Presence does not work like that. If you go directly from bloodied to knockdown without being Near Death, the knockdown happens.

And also with Whisper of the Endless Paths + Various rogue special attacks

Yep I forgot to end my sentence

I also like Whispers of the Endless Paths. One of its upgrade as a per encounter single target damage ability. It's also good to have an AoE weapons to apply afflictions from Attack abilities on several targets. I also like having street sweeper on a black jacket build for an on-demand buff remover. Modwyr has a per encounter special attack and Immunity Vs Int afflictions is handy. Morningstar/club/flail are nice to quickswitch into.

For the next version of the patch, I'm planning to rework a bit Unbending (Unless CP does it first, since I know they planned to do it anyway ; CP has priority over this kind of stuff) so it provides a fixed % of damages received, most likely only buffed by Healing Received bonuses. Currently Unbending has an easy time healing for about 150% damages due to incoming attacks triggering additional ticks (and Unbending Trunk feels redundant). I'm aiming for 40% for Unbending/Shield and 60% for Unbending Trunk (so 60%/90% with Mercy Chant). I have to check how it works exactly. As a consequence, I felt that Fighters could get a buff. MC Fighters will be fine anyway so I'm mostly concerned about SC. Toughened Fury has a really weird design. Receiving Crit is not the way of a class with such high defenses. So instead of 25% +1 discipline on Crit, I plan to go with 10% +1 discipline on damaged. EDIT : I will tune it down to 8% +1 discipline on damaged. 10% feels a bit too strong. Critical Defenses had a poor synergy with it. Even with the change above, I plan to adjust it to 50% Crit to Hit. Why ? To give SC fighter a distinct edge for defense. Crit resistance is critical with high AR cause Crit PEN bonuses basically make them ignore AR. This passive will probably be "above the curve" but I think it's nice for a class to have a few ability above the curve. This has to be limited to SC though. These are the main "generalist" buff, but I also think SC fighter needs a buff to their Tanking features. Take the Hit is meh. Even with my change which makes it almost instant, I fear that spending ressources just to redirect damages isn't going to be good, especially for a Tier 9. Therefore I plan to make it free. You won't use it every time but it will be there when you need to protect your allies. Unrelentless could be buffed to +5 discipline. Yes, this is huge but the ability is Tier 9 and situational (you'll need to get a wound to get back ressources). The 2 latest changes would work well together to make SC Unbroken nice to play. With these changes, I hope fighters could be the enduring tanks they are meant to be. But tell me if something feels really broken. Edit : also since I have already made many changes and points for tiers 8-9 abilities are limited, picking high tier abilities will require even more careful choices (toughened Fury will probably stay a must pick though). And I think this is good !

It could even be possible to put the trigger on 0% health Instead of Near Death, so it really works on knockdown. I have to try this.

Interesting, I will check this. I doubt the shield would prevent death, but it would be easy to add something like "heal 1 hp" so you can't be one shotted. Another good think with Shield is that even if it can't be monitored, when it cracks you're still left with any healing that has happened for the shield duration. You're less naked than when a Prevent Death effect cracks.

Hi, I'm planning to rework BDD for next version of the Balance Polishing Mod. Given what was discussed above in this thread, my favorite solution for the moment is the following for technical feasibility and mechanic simplicity, but it is relatively far from the original : Replacing prevent death by an infinite duration beneficial effect that triggers once a 200pts (+10/PL) damages shield for 12s (longer than current duration) when Near Death (sort of single target Watchful Presence with a much higher "protection value" but that won't actually heal ; numbers can be discussed of course). Thanks @Powerotti for coming up with the shield idea, even if his suggestion was a bit different. It could be cast preventively and protect for a longer duration but isn't a 100% guaranteed immortality for a duration anymore. BDD in its current form isn't overpowered on its own, but is basically God mode when cast repeatedly. That's why this is a tweak, not a strict nerf. I plan something similar for Shieldbearer's Lay on Hand. That said I'm open to suggestions. JUST BEWARE THAT TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY IS A HUGE CONCERN. So if you make suggestion, try to : - Make precise suggestions about the mechanics - Try to reuse mechanics from existing abilities - Try to check the list below about what is feasible or not. If you have questions about the feasibility of a given mechanics, let me know, I'll update the list. - Try not to make a suggestion that is not too complicated or rely on obscure mechanics for the player. - Try to read what has been already discussed, since some solutions' drawbacks/advantages were already discussed. Things technically possible : Resurrect when knockdown (but with a wound) Resurrect when knockdown and remove all wounds (but this would be Overpowered 🙂 ) Add x pts of damages shield Condition “under x% of health” for a trigger Prevent death for the next n times damaged Prevent death for the next n Graze/Hit/Crit Prevent death for a duration (of course) Fixed duration (INT and PL not applying), but it will still be prolonged by re-applying Apply an effect a fixed duration (INT and PL not applying) after cast Apply an effect when the duration elapsed (but re-applying will prevent it) Things technically not possible (unless I'm proven wrong by some modder 🙂 ) : Prevent death for the next n times fatal damages Resurrect when knockdown and remove exactly 1 wound (so +1-1 wound = zero wound) Condition “under x health” for a trigger where x is a specific number (such as exactly 1 health that one reaches with prevent death) Cheers !

In your experience, does respec allow to "reroll the bug chances" ? In that case it would still be minor.

Probably because subclass passives are applied at character creation. So if the mod wasn't active at this point, the passive won't be updated after that.

Yeah, me too. Except I do all that in Stardew Valley.

I have 2,6k posts Thelee has 3,1k posts And both of us are pretty big posters here, I think. Fun to consider than Boeroer is basically a bigger poster by an order of magnitude. And still manages to build a Patio in his garden.

All that smells is not cheese.

Ney, it's a spirit, not a beast. I don't remember whether CP modded it.

Roses are red Violets are blue Whatever the subject Boeroer tells you

If you're open about mods but are affraid of running something that could break the game, I would suggest to have a look at the changes from my Balance Polishing Mod. It is more conservative (and with less creative feature) than the mods quoted above : https://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity2/mods/438?tab=description I had quite positive feedback from @Jayd (if I remind well) specifically about how the Shifter feels with it. Specifically : - Shifting duration scaling with PL - Animal forms slight rework (Wolf & Stag especially, since they felt a bit meh) - Wildstrike Frenzy procs on Crit instead of Kills, which makes it more usable - Some high level spell rework, especially Entropy which greatly help Wildstrike Frenzy getting some crits.

So @Boeroer, are you going to release it as your own mod ? (Maquest and Phenomenum have not been very active lately.) I will probably use the final version in my set up 🙂

I remember all these stupid jokes we laughed together since PoE1 : Ramirez, lord of gilded vale Direballs SPIRITCAPSLOCK Minmaxer anals

Leaving apart the fact that many people don't like Ranger as the "pet class", the issue is that their ability tree is mostly about "various little perks" (such as Binding Root or beneficial effect purge) and pet abilities rather than raw power abilities to focus on. Pet abilities aren't bad, but that's usually something you want to do in parallel of a build "main focus". That's why Multciclass often use the other class as "main focus" and the ranger part as "support" rather than the other way around, outside of the obvious ranged attack part. That said, Rangers do have a few synergetic perks (takedown combo and the various acc buff) which makes MC interesting. Also Single Class Rangers have a couple of "raw power" abilities able to be the focus of a build.

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