Volourn

"Maybe you should actually play the game before you belittle someone for their opinion. Perhaps your expectations are too high and you are unable to see the improvements because KOTOR2 isn't a leap forward from KOTOR1. " Other than teasing him about beinga fanboy; I'm not belittling Ender at all. As for not having played the game; one does not need to when multiple people have shared their experiences with the game and I can use logic to see what makes sense. Of course, it's not like I'm saying KOTOR2 sucks the big one. I'm just syaing it's not as perfect as Ender seems to claim it is.

"New Lightsaber upgrades."" Just makes them overpowered. Not really an improvement. I mean you now have 6-7 "slots" to embue it with ridiulous powers. "Lightsaber forms" This is cool. A very good improvement. It's too bad its wasted in what seems to be an easy game much like all of TOEE options (aside from 5' step). "Influence system" I thought so too; but now from what I've ehard it's a mixed bag. "Random loot" Improvement? This is a weakness. Random loot sucks in RPGs. Yeah, that guy carries a red lightsabre; but he drops a blue one. Hahaha. A REAL improvement. Indeed. "MUCH better dialogue" We shall see; but I doubt it consideirng the already high quality dialogue of the first game. Plus, youa re a MCA fanboy (no offense! ) so I'll take your word here with a grain of salt. "A real dark side path" Eh? The first game had a REAL dark side path. This point makes no sense. "Tons more replay value" Maybe. But, cosnideirng I've only finished KOTOR1ce (on my seocnd way through); I doubt KOTOR2 will get more than 2 play throughs max for me. The KOTOR series doesn't reek of that due to the cinemtatic nature. "Weapon switching on the fly" In KOTOR1. "More force powers" More choice is always good; but not really an 'improvement'. "The new workbench - this is huge" In some ways, yes; in some ways no. It's greta to eb able to use it so; but considering the over poweredness of the characters; it just makes you more uber. "Much better skill implementation. Every attribute and skill is worthwhile now." Huh? I found every attribute and skill wortwhhile in KOTOR1. We shall see about KOTOR2; but the fact it sues skills more in dialogue (apparantly) is cool. In conclusion, KOTOR2 will probably be good; but you overrate it's quality most likely and call things improvement when they really aren't. Tsk, tsk.

"Now new conversation threads are opened up via events in the game, and influence rather than leveling up. It was silly that Carth wouldn't talk to me unless I got an abitrary ammount of xp. Even if nothing new happened in the plot, but now because I hit 10,000 XP he has something new to say. " Huh? It wasn't always about leevelling up. Lots of times they start talking to you depending on the area you in or the story point youa re in. Are people saying that KOTOR2 npcs don't approach you at all or very little in KOTOR2 to talk to you? If so, that sucks... They are robots there for your pleasure...

"The only difference is the intent." Bingo. "Again, if somebody misinterprets you, you start a fight because you assume they hold you ill will?" Huh? Did you rerad my last post. I don't get into fights. Period. And, when I fought way back when it had nothing do with conceptions; but with fists coming wards me. Come on, dude, pay attention.

"That's one of the stupidest things I've read from you. And man, you do say a lot of stupid things. So, if somebody just misunderstands you say, at work, you start a fight?" Hilarious. That expalins why the last time I got into a a fight was in high school which was years. You lose again when making up fictional scenarios. There's a huge difference between misunderstanding someone. It's another to twist someone words. If you can't see the difference; you are obviously unable to graps the meanings of those two different words. "Heh, you are one sad, sad little man." Actually, I am *always* happy. Happy happy joy joy. :"> "Magical Volo, once NWN2 comes out, we should join a clan once again!" No. That just leads to lawsuits and lawyers. I'll pass.

"LMFAO. Yeah, you sure do focus on the topic as hand. I still remember those 7 or 8 posts in which you kept spamming 'what are you babbling about?' just because you had suffered a brain cell lockup but just couldn't let it be." You don't remember clearly obviously since it was mor elike half that number at around 3 or 4 not 7 or 8 (ro maybe I'm not rmemebering clearly, meh). And, you were babbling so I was asking you to clarify. You chose not to so I repeated the question. "Attack you where? It was you who started it all when you started whining about me twisting your post. That might have been a misunderstanding, but it was by no means a personal attack. However you responded with one of your pitiful attempts at wit." I consider someone twisting my words to mean something completely different as an attack. Don't twist posts anymore and there won't be as much problems; but since we both know trolls like you cna't help themslves there will be more. Your turn, moni amigot.

"You see Volo, one of the main definitions of a troll is someone who posts just in order to disrupt fruitful discussion. Even if what I post is wrong, I still stay on topic and don't go off on a tangent at the first chance. You, however, do that all the time. You are the troll, Volo, not the rest of us." Wwrong. The vast majority of my posts are about the topic on hand. then some bozo doesn't like what i post and so decides to make the topic about Volourn instead of continuing the disucssion. Thsoe who do that (ie. you) are the trolls. If someone attacks me I have the right to defend myself. Period. Troll.

"Yet another perfectly fine thread hijacked by Volourn and his uncanny efforts of anti-logic and totally unrelated discussion. Stick to the topic and stop wasting electrons. " Waaa.. Waa.. Big Bad. Volo. You DO realzie that the thread was doing just fine until youd ecided to twist one of my posts resembling a cookstrop right? Perhaps, if you wouldn't troll me so much you wouldn't have to worry about it. Afterall, most of the others thread had no problem discussing the topic(s) at hand. Learn something from other great posters like SP and Eldar. You might be able to mature a little bit. R00fles!

"Nope, it's not. By that standard, most people, in and outside of the internet are trolls. You will be hard pressed to find anyone who hasn't ever twisted an argument to make a point." You'd be hard pressed to find one person who has not at least been a little trollish on the net. We are all trolls inside. "What am I doing discussing with you?" The fact you twisted what i wrote and agreed with the twisted version even though I *never* said anything remotely like it.

"I thought by now you would have looked up what a troll is. Obviously you haven't." Eh. I'd wager twisting someone's words so they mean soemthing completely different is a sure sign of a troll. Next.

"Agreed. The AI in the IE games is next to not existant." If you have to twist my words into something they don't mean then perhaps we'd both be better off if you never agree with me. Thank you for your co-operation. "Then you don't understand the whole point of any game that is not a FPS. In a FPS what count are your reflexes, your wits. In a CRPG what counts is your sense of strategy, your capacity to planify a tactic and implement it to win, or change it if it's not working. If you fail, die, and have to reload, whatever tactic you were using was flawed. If you don't like strategy or thinking while playing games, then CRPGs are not for you. Well, old school CRPGs, that is. " Yet you deny being a troll. Good fun.

"We've believed that about PS:T for a long time." You might; but I sure don't. PST failed to succeed at a gretae rscale not because it's supposed (not) complex dialogues but a host of other factors - poor marketing was just one. Espicially if you realzie that *most* people who played PST *liked* it and those who don't aren't usually retarded.

"so tell me, i'm a real american, what exactly is it you believe i think?" No, you arne't a real Amerikan... unless you agree 100% what Weiser thinks.

"1) YOU CAN ONLY VOTE IF YOU HAVE BEATEN THE GAME." Due to your rudeness; I broke one of my rules. I voted in the poll even though I didn't finish it. Next time be courteous and respect us as human beings and I'll return the favour. Have a nice day.

"Perhaps you were just very lucky." Or, shockingly, you were very unlucky. Imagine that.

"Go drag another thread into a troll slug fest. Thanks." Someone who goesa round calling others who dislike a story he likes morons shouldn't be calling anyone else a troll. Pot. Kettle. Black. "Its pretty evident in the spoiler threads that people don't get it. Pay attention." From what I've read; there are two sides to the various issues. Not just one. For someone who claims that you like KOTOR2 because its so deep; your musings reek of someone shallow. "You disagree with me? You dumb." is exactly what you sound like. Game over. For now.

"KotOR2's greatest failing isn't that it has a poor story. KotOR2's greatest failing is that it makes players think and understand the story, rather than watching it." Whatever. Such arrogance in someone who actually likes IWD2 and POR2. KOTOR2's story is great and so deep that the peoples don't udnerstand it. Yeah, whatever.

"While I haven't played TSL myself yet (only observed it for a while at my xboxer friend's home) so I can't say about my feelings, I am under impression that most gamers are sharp on TSL bugs and storyline flaws becouse TSL is a continuation, not such groundbreaking game as KOTOR. KOTOR was some kind of culture shock with so many great ideas, that people actually didn't notice its many flaws and if even they did - they focused more on KOTOR's positive sides. Sequel rarely is original and gamers are already familiar with things like graphics or interface... nothing is new except the storyline - and that's why people focus more on the storyline and criticize it. And if TSL would be first such game? How would you rate it, without knowing about existence of KOTOR 1? No spoilers please!" I agree with you 100%. And, I mentioned this multiple times pre release; but people pushawed me. Booey to them and good for you for being One of the Many to find Enlightenment of Volournia. I epxect KOTOR2 to be a real fun game in it's own right; but it won't be OMG OMG OMG! Good stuff. :cool:

"Funny I seems to recall you whining about things falling from ceilings" Of course, you forget *why* I was complaining about them. It wasn't the difficulty; but the stupidity of the 'cheating' so called 'AI'.

It will and it does.

"If you kill people, and act like an evil bastard, the game seems to allow for that. If party members reacted adversely every single time, there would be no possible way to turn someone to the dark side, since you'd lose influence with any DS action." And, you consider this a good thing? Geez.. It's no different than KOTOR1. then again, in KOTOR1 they at least said something though, of course, they did nothing. Meh. I'm sure the influence system has some good qualities; but it's nowhere as good as I thought it was gonna be. My 'influence system' for what I'm working on accomplishes both.. Meh.. KOTOR2 will still be fun... :cool:

"After the NWN OC, the promises of a real story kind of made me run hopefully to the store, despite skepticism, because there was a lot of good in the game design." Aren't you the one always complaining about BIo and their crappy customer support, and buggy engines? Mind you, I haven't really heard your opinion on the actual games. Hmm.. I think that may be because you'd be "forced" to actually say something positive about them for once. Am I right? (w00t)

"It's not guaranteed that a Bethseda made Fallout will be bad. I have many concerns, but we haven't seen much yet." Darn close. Bethesda is the worst RPG devloper of all time. None even come close to the drek that Bethesda poos out.

"IWD II had some really great AI and combined monster tactics." Hahaha. No. IWD2 was the second easiest IE game. And, the only "good" AI was when it cheated. Otehrwise it was dumb as bricks most of the time.

"I agree with you but Bioware is very busy" Nah. Obsidian has 20-30 employees (I think; that might be high) and was working on 2 games at once. BIO has 200+ employees, and have 3 games; maybe 4 under way with one of those almost done. I'm sure they'd be able to manage another game - if they wanted to.