Volourn

"BG2 and nwn 1 have almost nothing in common in my opinion except they both claim to be rpg's but only one of them really pulls it off" I agree. NWN is more of a RPG than BG2 will ever be. Thanks for admitting it.

"wouldn't even be so terrible only if there was any actual ambition behind it " L0L The last thing people should criticize BIo for when it comes to NWN is 'lack of ambition'. HAHAHAHA! P.S. NWN is no more Diablo than BG2 is. "And better. In just about everything." Absolutely false.

"So what's your point? Being better than a pile of outdated ancient era games is some sort of measure of quality?" SOU, and SOZ are anicent games? IWD2 is ancient? POR2 is ancient? TOEE is ancient? L0LZ let's also not forget that NWN is now a 6+ year old game.

"Imagine if you were playing P&P D&D with just one rolled character and a retarded DM. Is it fun? Well, that's the single player NWN experience." Actually, yes, it is fun. And, doable. There are even solo adventures officially puvblished for D&D. "This is contrary to what D&D was originally about (I know I bang on about this but it's a small unit fantasy combat / tactics game where classes replicate the rock-scissors-stone or cavalry-infantry-archers idea). If you say "this is a D&D game" people will, not unreasonably, expect the classic D&D elements." D&D cna be played with a 'solo' character and be quite fun. While 4 characters is the usual, it's far from the only number that cna be used. It's a myth to claim it's the only way to have fun with D&D. P.S. NWN is awesome. And, the OC while not the greatest ever, is better than 90% of other D&D video games including SOU, SOZ, EOTB series, and tons more.

"That's hilarious. Yeah, people lie and make up fairy tales! It's so bad you can't even trust your own signature!! Dumb doesn't even begin to describe it." Still crying? Think the NWN series is 'the best' does not neccessarily mean you think it has the 'best writing' and since we're disucssing writing, and writing was the issue. Plus, the NWN series wasn't just made by BIO. It includes the Obsidian developed NWN2 so all this proves is I like BIO, and Obsidian both. *shrug* Use. your. brain. crybaby. And, oh. As for 'dumb', it takes one to know one. L0L0L0L0LLIGAG!

Which doesn't proof anything since last i checked the discussion was about *writing* not the entire package. Afterall, NWN 'series' includes NWN2 right? Which is *not* a BIO game last I checked...

"Trying to discuss with Volourn the merits of Bioware's writing compared to, well, any company, is like trying to have serious discussion about abortion with diehard pro-lifer. Nothing will come out of it." The samed can be said about those who hate BIO. Hard to have a seriously legit discussion with them. "Mind you, that's a man that considers NWN series "the best ever". " K. Must explain why I rated NWN OC 75%, called SOU overrated, and HOTU as good but far from 'best ever'. Why do people feel the need to lie, and make up fairy tales?

"If you need to ask, you'll never get it anyhow. Stick to McDonald's/Britney/Bioware, boy. " That's the best you got? Calling someone 'boy'? I'll one up you. IF you think Obsidian's writing is 'risky' (btw, 'risky' does not equal good as I find Obsidian's writing good) then you judt don't get what 'risky' is, baby.

Art is art. None of things you listed are art.

"with minor variations" No. "Obsidian's writing tends to be more risky, and while they do adhere to some aspect of the base formulaic plot lines that have been long established since the 16th century, they try to bring in more complexity in their twists and turns in their games" What's so risky about Obsidian's writing?

"I didn't troll you, and if anyone's crying, it's you with your reactionary denunciation of my "trolling". I was simply pointing out that since you attempt to infallibly define everything and brook no contradiction, there's no point. As the rest of your post shows. " Sure you did. I'm far from the only one who 'attempts to infallably define everything and brook no contradiction'. Justa dmit, myou posted what you did in an attempt to get a reaction. You got one so stop crying over it. "SOZ was never a game that was going to deliver a strong narrative with interesting characters. " Poor excuse. It had writing and characters so its quality can be judged. Period. "NWN2 OC is far better then NWN." No, no it isn't. It's about equal. "NWN wasn't even going to have an OC through part of it's development." Totally irrelevant. "KoTOR 2 is proof of a rushed game. Nothing more, but even if it wasn't I still would of prefered the original." KOTOR wasn't 'rushed'. This is a myth. Obsidian knew how much time they basiclaly had from the moment they signed the contract.Nobody's fault but their own they seemingly (according to their fanboys) couldn't make due. That said, KOTOR2 isn't that bad either. In fact, it's about equal with KOTOR (which is overrated). *shrug*

Yeah, for sure. If I was 140lb, it probably be mean I'd be at death's door. And, I very little - if any - muscle definition at all.

"Off the top of my head, Obsidian, Irrational, Double Fine and Quantic Dream have better writers. Quite a few companies are about as competent as Bioware." Never argued that other comapnies were as 'competent' as BIO. However, none of those companies have 'better' writing than BIO's. They can arguably be equal; but better? Not. Espicially Obsidian. SOZ is proof of this. NWN2 OC is proof of this. KOTOR2 is proof of this. "Why are people still trying to argue with Volourn?" Why are you still trolling Volourn? At least the others are actually discussing the issue. You are just crying.

"I'm in good shape (I'm 6'1, 160 pounds)." Off topic... wow... that's inetresting. I'm 6'0", 175lbs and I'm skinny. Hmmm... Anyways, as for ME2... it will be awesome. And, it will likely be better than DA. And, it's a well known fact that the ME series is vastly superior to the KOTOR series.

"there are plenty of companies who do worse writing, but not that many." Actually, yes. BIO's writing is top of the line. None are better and some are equal, most are worst.

"They'll probably just rip off Witchers delayed consequences thing." You make it sound TW invented the concept. It did not. In fact, BIO's done it before. As has BIS, Obsidian, and heck even Squaresoft.

You don't (usually) get banned for criticizing BIO games or even BIO themselves. It's how one does it. People criticize BIO all the time there. *shrug* P.S. ME > KOTOR and ME2 > KOTOR2

"So the companions will just go "oh and by the way we destroyed your most sacred relic"? I really hope they have some common courtesy and respect for your decisions." Wait a second. You just destroyed a religious artifact that is important and belongs to someone else yet you expect common courtesy and respect to be shown to you? LMAO

RPG = NWN OTHER = NHL 09/NHL09

NHL 09 as always. My league is in S8. Also, playing NHL 10 demo.

Way too ahrsh. And, oh, he got a harsher penalty than most won't get. And, comapred to what otehrs get for way worse crimes, this is garbage. This is nothing but a mayor and DA punishing him because he is famous and wanting to set some lame example. I mean, he shot himself and gets two years? WTH? You can probably get less by shooting somebody else.

" KotOR was a good game. " ME > KOTOR + BG + JE + SS + MDK2

BIO is the best RPG developer ever. As for Bethesda goes, I have nothing good to say, sorry.

Anyone who calls ME characters 'boring' than brags about how awesome and deep characters like Minsc, Viconia, Madfire, and the like were, I will laugh at them. Nonstop.

Yeah, like I said before, GB fans are like ex lover who no longer wants the person but also believes that person belongs to them and nobody else should have them. Talk about an abusive relationship.