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"No you don't, no one remembers the random dungeon generator with introductory scenario NWN anymore." You seem to remember it.

Finally, you admit you are wrong. Thank you for your cooperation. Now, to be fair, I will make my top 10 games that I think fit your criteria of the following: "The point of this list was IMO the CRPGs that made strides in closing the gap between PnP and CRPGs in a significant way. The best CRPGs that emulated and did justice to its table top roots on the PC. It isn't necessarily a list of simply the best CRPG's as the only criteria. But what CRPG's paid homage to its roots and came close on some level of feeling like a PnP game." I will also keep in mind your intiial goal of 'impact on CRPG industry'. *RU* Controversey! GB games (most notebaly POR1) - they didn't make top 10? Why despite ahving upwards of ten titles and being the 'original DND' CRPG series? Simple. These classics run of gamut of quality and their impact on the industry is minature comapred to their modern counterparts like BG. Modern gamers simply don't give a crap about. hHeck, people stopped caring about them even as the last few were crapped out by SSI. L0L Good for their time but so passe and past their prime. 10. M&M series - the 'ol classic of create your party and explore at your liesure but still an overarching story in the background that pushes the campaign forward. 9. DA - A huge following that put BIO even higher than the stratosphere being the first BIO game to sell 4mil+ copies. The different openings pushed multiple opening sceneraios to the forefront even if it wasn't the first game to try them. But sicne the agrument cna be made it's just BIO's personal version of the BGs it loses something. It is also ranked low as BIo crapped the bed with the lacklustre ie. horrible toolset that they threw in simply as an obligiation for NWN fanboy crybabies. 8. NWN2 - It definitely had the modding tools and a DMC that makes it closer to pnp than majority of CRPGs so it gets a palce but being such a huge step back from its predecccesor keeps it on the low end. 7. Ultima - Often considered 'the grandfather of rpgs', and for good reason. Definitely one of the first to actually have morality play a role in the game. 6. FF series - Its impact of the CRPG industry simply can't be ignored. the games are of mixed quality but the impact is felt. i say this despite not playing any since FFX. 5. MW - Why pick MW over other ES games? Easy. Pre MW - the ES/Bethesda were successful but not really epickly so as MW truly put them on the map of gaming conciousness. Oblivion + Skyrim just continues that and doesn't really bring anything 'new'. 4. TOEE - Despite not being a perfect rendition, TOEE's is probably the closest CRPG to faithfully rerceate DnD pnp rules and whatever flaws it may have that can't be taken away from it. Not to mention the fact that it is literally based on one of the most famous of pnp DnD modules says enough said. 3. BG series - Before BG, DnD crpgs were simply dying. After the BGs and their fellow engine counterparts the IWD series and PST multiple games came along to ride the wave.So successful were thiss eries that its developer was able to literally throw the publisher to the curb and alugh in their face and still get their next game published. How many developers wish they could do the same? BG's influence is still a heavy influence on both BIO and non BIO games alike. 2. FO - FO's legendary C&C is unforgettable despite the fact the early ones werenever really big sellers. However, its impact has been felt and obviously holds a lot of influence due to the existence of sequels, and offshoots plus more thana few games have borrowed off it. And, since its game system heavily copies a pnp system also helps. The uper sales of the last two in the series only help its case. 1. NWN1 - Whatever one may think of its OC quality, it's ahrd to question NWN's meeting the criteria for this list. Impact? BIo's most successful game until the release of their 'modern' titles like DA and ME2. The game where they were to overpower their former publisher Interplay/BIS, and wrest control of NWN from and get Atari to publish it. Impact where they made the toolset/modding tools a part of the main package and not just a random useless afterthought? A DMC were you cna literally have DM run campaigns on the fly with actual PC parties ala pnp? No game comes even close to this.How about being one of the first games to have official 'premium' modules available for download as a precursor for the current DLC craze? No matter how you slice it, NWN fits the bill. The DMC and the ability to have a real campaign run exactly as you would in pnp makes it a surefire winner here despite the merely average OC. I win.

"Put on the breaks. You have consistently said TO ME, in THIS FORUM the opposite I do not know how many times. That NWN1 was superior to NWN2 writing (and most other ways)wise. Do I need to dig up the quotes and re-post them? If you had a change of heart glad to see you came around. But don't try to inply you have always held that stance. That is disingenuous at least if not outright lying at worst." The fact youa ccuse anyone of lying is hilaiorus when your top 10 list is a lie. "Actually it shows me how much of a idiot the majority of module makers were that came from NWN1. They complained because they wanted the dumbed down, a 8 yr old can make a module tools that came with NWN1. Even though in the NWN1 forums they complained they wanted more power to do this and that. Well they got said power. But you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't have super dumbed down tools AND all the added functions they were screaming for. As they say be careful what you wish for.. And the 20% or so of the makers who stuck with it learned the tools made some amazing things with it. In fact I said this was going to happen when I ran nwn2news. I said in a op ed the majority of nwn1 module makers were not going to survive and port over to nwn2 as the tools will be above their head due to all the added functions (that ironically they requested). So it really wasn't a surprise when that is exactly what happened." LMAO earlier you were bragging that YOU were part of the majority and I was simply a minority torublemaker trolling just to be 'different'. Now, that the majority dfisagrees with you theya r ejust morans? HAHAHAHA! The NWN2 toolset/DMC/et.c suck plain and simple. And, nothing worthwhile was masde with it and NWN1's mods and sueage are much more avried and superior to the NWN2 modding scene by far. It's just plain superior to the joke that is the NWN2 toolset/dmc. FACT "You buy a car. A awesome car that it epitomizes of what a car should be and even makes you breakfast in the morning. However you can't go more then a block from your house without it breaking down. Does it really matter what the bells and whistles or how awesome the car is if it can't even do it's most basic function consistently? Do you think said car is going to get on any top 10 lists beyond a 'failed potential' list? Exactly." If the list is 'closest to feeling like pnp' absolutely TOEE deserves to be on it. If the list is 'buggiest' game definiterly. If the list is 'most stable' or 'my top 10 favorite games' than hell no. R00fles!

I didn't even play 10 games in 2011 - at least games that were mad ein 2011. Nice list. Out of your top 10, I played exactly one of them. Here's my top 10 games that i played this year (not enccessarily ones that came out this year) 1. NHL 12 2. FO:NV 3. DA2 4. M&M6 5. M&M7 6. FO1 7. BG1 8. M&M3 I didn't play much of anything else (NHL 12 takes too much of my game time) and the others I played were simply crap.

I always have mixed feelings. As a Kanandian I like it when a team 'representing' me does well. But, Kanadians and Kanada are so arrogant and bigoted at times espicially when it comes to hockey I cna't help but smile when we lose just to remind Kanandians we are not owed anything.

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The fact you think you speakl on behalf of the majority is hilarious. the fact you think you know what i think is hilarious. For starters, I've said repeatedly, that the NWN2 OC is just as good if not better than the NWN1 OC. But, that's irrelevant to what you claim your top 10 list is about. And, cosnidering how much trashing NWN2 got - espicially it's toolset, DM client, and module stuff 9all the stuff that makes NWN series prime to be comapred to pnp and something NWN has over every single other CRPG in comaprison to pnp - shows how ignorant aboutt he majority you think. Just look at how much of a joke NWN2's modding scene is ccomapred to NWN1's. Slam dunk no contest NWN1 wins. "Could you quote me from ANYWHERE where I said I "hated" it? Or even said I think it's as low standing as you imply? I simply do not think it brought much to the table. Did it emulate a PnP flavor? Sure if you could a. get it to run without wiping your hdd and b. get past the broken quests even after the few patches it got. (last I knew it was abandoned support wise when many major issues still existed.) This isn't a "best CRPG with failed potential" list." What does bugginess ahve to do with how close a agme captures the pnp FEEL? Just admit the truth. This is your top 10 faves list. Nothing wrong with that. Be honest for a change. "You live in a hole if you feel this was the view of the majority of players and reviewers. You are entitled to your opinion and we all know you like to take the minority opinion for the sake of taking the minority opinion so you can stand on your 'look at me I am different' soapbox. *shrugs*" You don't make sense here. You DO rwealize I like BL, right? So.. if I'm in the 'minority' that would mean the majority of players dislike it, right? WOW. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

"I have to assume that was said in humor. " Considering TOEE - despite its many flaws - is arguably the closest thing to true pnpm TB DnD on PC it fits the bill perfectly within your guidelines.. but, you hate the game and we've already established that this is your favorite rpgs of all time list. "I felt NWN2 was a huge step forward, writing wise, over NWN1. Was it the lightning in the bottle BG was? No, then again Bioware couldn't even recapture that magic even though they tried their damnest. But it was a solid second after the BG series when it came to feeling like you were playing a table top D&D game IMO. " That's silly talk. Even if we take your point that NWN2 had 'better writing' than NWN1; it certainly wasn't closer to 'like playing atable top D&D game'. In fact, NWN is the game that made that possible (notwithstanding the abortion known as that ancient Vampire game l0l). All NWN2 did was cotninue in NWN1's footsteps and even then it took major steps backward as well due to the sloppy modding tools shipped along with an abhorrent DM Clinet and MP components which made it further from the pnp DnD experiencer 'awesome' writing notwithstanding. But, then again, we established this is a favorite 10 list and since you persoanlly like NWN2 more than NWN1 so it gets the nod. Just be honest with that. I could make a top 10 list in the spirit of what you claim to be doing and it woyuld be different from my top 10 favorite list. Why can't you? "As for Bloodlines, it had some of the best writing, dialog and plot if any CRPG." L0L Talk about hyperbole and I love BL's writing, dialogue, and plot. And, double L0LZ for IWD.

"He never acted, he was a cold calculator who probably never even lifted a gladius in his life. Augustus sat back watching how others won his battles for him and watched how his main rival self-destructed. Then he conveniently took the throne after ensuring everyone who wanted him dead was either bribed, bullied or assassinated." The way you describe him, you make him sound like a pure genius. L0L 'Bullied'? Ha. That term is so modenrized and is som often used out of context.

Stupid Rangers are at it again. Waiving Avery for the second time. Such stupidity. If you don't want him on the team just release him. Their loss. I wonder how long it'll take for them to change their mind and recall the awesome one. Torturechips is such a laughable joke as he keeps Overrated Dubinsky who continues to do crap.

Your reasoing just makes your list even more silly with absolutely no logic behind it whatsoever. Migth as well just say these were your top 10 favorites RPGs of all time. "Either I didn't explain myself or there is a lack of understanding. None the less, allow me to clarify; The point of this list was IMO the CRPGs that made strides in closing the gap between PnP and CRPGs in a significant way." Howd oes Skyrim make strides in closing the game between pnp and crpgs any more significantly than any of the earlier ES games? How does IWD do these any better than earlier DnD games? How does NWN2 accomplish this more than NWN1? How does BL do this better than Arcanum or TOEE? How does DA do this better than KOTOR, JE, or a host of other games? How does FO:NV do this better than FO3? Does. not. compute. Favorite ropgs list. I understand where you come from, and it's a good list going by that.

" I complied what I feel is the top 10 most influential and biggest impact CRPG's since the 80s." You are better off saying it's your favorite or top 10 list not most influential and biggest impact CRPGs since the 80s. How else do you explain putting FO:NV on the list but not FO3? (for the record, I loathe FO3 and enjoy FO:NV immenseley but FO:NV was/is not more influential or had bigger impact than FO3. How else do you explain Skyrim but no MW? MW is what put Bethesda on the super suiccessful map instead of them just being a solidlyu successful company. Skyrim just continues their money making ways. How else do you expalin NWN2 existence on the list but NWN1 (whether one likes it or not) when NWN1 most certainly had the most impact and influence on CRPGs than NWN2 no matter one's poerosnal opinion on either game's perceived quality. IWD series on the list at all? It didn't uinfluence anything or make any impact on the CRPG industry. BGDA had way more impact than it. BIO games like KOTOR and ME had major impact as well as did *puke* The Witcher. The Might & Magics should also be on the list. Just sayin'. As a top 10/favoirte list it's very awesome.. as a top 10 most influential/impact on CRPG industry, it is very lacklustre.

"I read somewhere that Tortella said he just couldn't find enough minutes for Avery. That sounds like a load. Does NYR have some sort of insane depth where all 4 lines are scoring a ton of goals? He can fit on a 4th line every night and should be able to get 7 minutes of ice time. I don't really get it. " It's not hard to figure out. Torturechips LOATHES Avery on a personal level; but Avery is very popular amongst Ranger upper management and espicially the fans hence why he has no choice but to deal with him. He does have ultimate control over who gets ice time so he tries to limit Avery's ice time as much as possible. No way in hell are there 12 forwards on New York that are better than Avery. Anyone who believes that bull that Torturechips was shovelling at start of season are morans.

"Hey Volo, has the Rangers recent surge come without Sean Avery in the line up?" They started winning when he was called up. That's no coincidence. They have a better record when playing than not playing. The fact he\s on the bench now only shows the stupidity of the coach. We're winning in spite of the coach not because of him. Still, good record or not, Rangers are likely pretenders come playoff time if Avery is not in line up and Lundqvist doesn\t play like royalty. Or Gaborik/Richards don't perform. Since we can only rely on the coach making dumb mnistakes. His best bet is to get himself suspended for a couple of games then we'd win for sure. What a loser that Torturechips is.

Not like he's ruling alone or making the decisions all by himself either. There's the cronies there to 'guide' him.

What does age have to do with it? Silly talk. And, now adays espciially, 36 still means possibly 4-5 years left.

" Bioware Edmonton runs two teams. Due to fubaring the DAO schedule, both teams wound up releasing games two months apart. Situation had to be fixed so that shared QA resources (which, apart from administration, is shared between the teams to a degree) wouldn't be taxed at the same time (and publisher wouldn't shoot itself in the let by releasing two RPGs from their top RPG studio essentially simultaneously), so we got the rushed DA2 and the extended development ME3 (which admittedly was further extended by delays to SWTOR). I think anyone can accept that the other option, developing DA2 over 3-4 years after the DAO fiasco wasn't a viable option, especially since it still wouldn't have please the people who can't be pleased. " BIO has 100s of emplyees in Edmonton alone. This doesn't even count the access they have to EA QA teams and other EA employees. Lack of employees is not an issue. Also, hiow did EA 'shoot themselves in the foot' by releasing two games close together? Both sold very well. That's all EA cvares about - they do not care that some yahoos on the internet dissaprove of their way of business. Besdies, DA2 was just as good as DA. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply wrong. Yeah, I went there. "Looks like nepenthe "the bioware warrior" is on it again.. I get it you find it annoying that people whine about bio's games, but it's not much better to keep whining every single time someone says something bad about them." I know where youa re comig from. You only want to read repetive posts if you with them. L0L That's how most internet posters are. There's too much 'BIO envy' amongst a certain sect of Obsidian fanboys who are are simply jealous (for soem reason) that no matter how much they hate BIO and feel the need to bash they continue to be more successful and Obsidian is forever stuck in 'BIO Jr.' stage despite beinga round for almost 10 years now. Thankfully, there is also a secty of Obsidian fans who don'y see it as some sort of lame competition and just enjoy Obsidian for what they do not in comaprison to others. R00fles!

"Hmm. That would involve them offering the file for free themselves, as an agent of CDPR. Can't see them getting any good result if that were the case (it's either entrapment or they've voided their own copyright protection against duplication by allowing said duplication in the first place). I'm always deeply sceptical of 100% accuracy statements as that will often mean something like "we included a clause in which liability is admitted in all settlements and as such our accuracy is 100%! FACT!!! r00fles!". It's also telling that they are doing it in Germany rather than somewhere like the UK where lawyers have been disbarred (IIRC) and firms have gone out of business for issuing such letters, or the US where the extremely apropos "Shakedown" description comes from." Private citizens cna't be guilty of entrapment only the police can. ie. As a pirvate citizen I could call up a drug dealer to set up a purchase then call the cops on him to make an arrest. That's not entrapment since only the police cna be guilty of that. You also can't void your own copy protection since you can make copies of your own product as much as you want. Afterall, if you couldn't bypass your own copy protection you wouldn't be able to sell copies of your product since you need ton be able mass produce them. Your logic here stinks. I do agree the 'shakedown' thing is suspicious and probably is illegal - espciially since they throw out a random dollar amount (over a $1000). Only a judge can dtermine what the punishment is.

"- KotOR2's writing does, indeed, far transcend "lightsabers and guns that go pew pew." " No. No, it really doesn't. It's no deeper than typical SW. As for the article writer, she is as much a man hater as the male woman haters she hates on. That makes her hypocritical.

"So you wanna have the uninformed, politically and economically illiterate and non-enlightened people that change their mind like from one minute to another depending who's right-wing party currently talks the smoothest way, you want those people let decide over the fate and future of the EU?" Yeha, because those in power are doing a bang up job at the moment? Then again, European countries are just a bunch of losers who cry when they don't get their way.

And someone will support theivery aftrer release.

L0L The othr WEuropean countries sound buttghurt and like bullies at the same time. They try to intimidate and threaten to get their way. A bunch of hyporitic crybabies whining like little children. WAAAAAAAAA!

"but that doesn't change the fact that Dragon Age 2 did hurt their overall reputation as a company and a brand. " DA2 didn't hurt their overall reputation as a company and a brand at all. It sold 2mil+ in about a month depsite having a slsahed budget and development time. I find it hilarious that people are trying to claim DS3 was a success deopsiute selling less than a mil copies. L0L BIo's rep is fabsolutely fine else nobodyn would care about the silly C&C thing under BIO's banner or the hype machine they got at the VGA awards. ME3, btw, was voted game most looked forward to in 2012. So.. hwqoe xactly... is the BIO brand hurt? That's pretty impressive status consideirng the other comapnies with AAA titles out due next year. And, DA2 is FAR from BIO's worst. BG1, NWN OC, KOTOR, MDK2, SS, SOU, and TOTSC coast are worse. GAME OVER, dude, GAME OVER. P.S. You need to look at the big picture not the handful of interent gaming nerds you inetract with online to decide these things.

"Hm, so if someone buys a game and then cracks it, that person still an entitled scumbag to you people ? " Who said anything of the sort? If you boguht the game you have the right to play it. I'm talking about *stealing*? Don't try to make excuses for thieves. --------------------