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"Those cops shouldn't go to jail for following properly identified guidelines." But, they didn't follow the guidelines. Guidelines include not constantly spraying someone with it or using it just because someone makes you mad. Pepper spray is supposed to be only used if you are physically threatened. This was not the case. Therefore abuse of power, breaking their own regulations, and basically assault. How is that worthy of being fired and even potential criminal punishment? Just ebcause you are wearing a uniform doesn't make you above it. In fact, because you have chosen to wear the uniform you need to uphold it and should actually fiollow it or else how can one take the creed that police are the 'good guys' seriously? Therer are plenty of police officers who use pepper spray as it was it was intended to be used - as a less lethal method of stopping would be violent crimials. ie. Drunks or druggies out of their mind who need to be taken into jail for at least a night may fight back and pepper spray is a good altenrative to stop them from doing so instead of the old method of beating them to a bloody pulp with a baton - not willy nilly because some people are not kissing your butt.. Follow your own rules or why bother having them. Wearing an uniform does notm give you permission to abuse people. If anything, it should be the opposite. To serve and to protect. Not to attack and assault.

"Hold 'B' to turn on the Pipboy light. " I'm dumb. This makes indoor areas espciially caves and vaults much less frustrating. LMFAO There've been times I've had to rage out of playing simply because I could not see anything but grren. This way, things are still dark - as it should be -m but playable. RTFM I did but this is info I didn't think to remember. HAHAHAHAHA! Pipboy became even more cool. Thanks.

Great. Even the devs are trying to be cute. L0L

I agree. It's garbage. Pepper spray should be sued as advice - as a last resort with no other option avilable so more violent means aren't used. It should only be used if the target is physically violent. IThe problem is everyone asssumes that pepper spray isn't really dangerous even though it actually is - espciially if used haphazardry out of nager. The police should be in more control of themselves. Shamesful.

I will do a full review later but I felt the ned to give my thoughts on this game. This thread is just for some quick cons and pros of this Obsidian game. Plus, this page needs less threads focused on that **** and more on this ****. This, btw, is coming from someone who has hated the last 3 (AP, DS3 & SOZ) Obsidian releases. I'm 30 hours in. CONS: - getting shot in the head at start of game and surviving equals bull****. - this might be a 360 only problem but the darkness level inside structures is way too dark where you literally can't see anything. Brighten it up or give us actual light sources please. - **** of Ceaser assassin ****heads. GET THE STUPID MESSAGE: I MURDERED THE LAST 10 GROUPS YOU SENT AFTER ME AT THIS POINT YOU ARE GIVINJG ME FREE EQUIPMENT BUT WASTING MY TIME - combat game play is sloppy at best POSITIVES: - outside of the point above, the start is very awesome and sets up greta motivation for character and Goodsprings is one of the best intro areas ever - character system is top notch obviously due to it being special - writing is (mostly) some of the best ever. Surely beats the piss over the overrated DS3, AP, KOTOR2, and SOZ writing - fanction useage is mostly well done - lots of fun and interetsing character - best free world game ever: 30 hours in with lots more to explore and most importantly, I actually want to see the different places - very good use of skill for both reolsution of quests/dialogue and mostly decent reperccusions: chocies can cencel out other quests or lead to others - i like the fact most shopkeepers actually have a semblance of a personality and aren't there *just* for shopping (most of the time). - Freeside is a fantastic town to explore - variety in equipment is pretty damn good - joinable npcs are awesome (at least the ones I've encountered) though I wish ED-E would be more interactive - damn good game - hardcore mod is HELLA fun My character is focused on energy weapons, speech, and science (tech geek). I'm pro NCR (laws cna help and any negativty in the organization cna eventually be purged), and the Followers for their willingness to help the masses and share tech. I have a softspot for the King and am annoyed with the Bros despite their love of tech because they are selfish **** who need to be more willing to share their toys. Stupid jerks. I am level 15 currently weiling a the repeater laser poster and the basic energy rifle, and wearing Combat Armour MDK2. I own power armour but need training to wear it. My current companions are ED-E and Victoria. I also traveled with Boone for a bit and will eventually fix Rex for my buddy The King. My play through I have my character only eating clean food and drinking clean water. No poison crap in this body. Clean food is not always easy to find and sadly I had to stuff my face with poison once but now I have a bunch of clean food. YAY! Stay tuned for when I finally beat the game and then I'll lay waste with my final AAA judgement. Laterz.

Wuss? He takes more damage and lives in that clip than he did in KOTOR1? He even killed half the (n)pc group. Not bad cosnideirng it was 1vs 4. R00fles! I doubt your KOTOR1 Reven could beat up the KOTOR MMO Revan.

"If it has no similarities to Bioware games then there's no point in branding the Studio Bioware XXX. Capiche? " Similarities is way too vague though. ISome would argue that a FPS is 'simialr' to ME2 anyways. Have you not heard of branding. There is so many 'BIO divisions' (aka EA division) it's gonna be varied. Quite frankly, if EA's sports division wans't alreayd very strong, I could have seen EA making a 'BIO Sports division'. Afterall, while BIO EDM and BIO TEX have similartieis one largely focvused on rpg typem games while the other is soley focvused on an individual MMO so just because you want a BIO EDMN game 9or vice versa) doesn't mean you will get the other. People here have been bragging about pre ordering BIO TEX's $150 KOTOR MMO and lpping up the free beta test while I promptly erased it for all eternity and I'm supposedly the 'biggest bio fanboy' around. L0L Bottom line is if you expect the new division to making games like BIO EDM is... WRONG.. Different managers, different goals, different games. Afterall, KOTOR MMO team's goal is hella dfifferent than ME3 team's goals (oustide of amking moolah obviously). Capiche? P.S. If this new division maskes agame focused solely on romance or FPS would be that 'similar' enough? Or better yet, what happens if it is focused on SS or MDK2 style games? Is that BIO enough for you despite the fact those aren't really BIO style games in the way we see them? R00fles!

He matches up as closely as he possibly can since in KOTOR he was a PC.

*yawn* Anything less or what? Threats like thata re emaningless. Besides, quality is one thing, style is another. If it's a full fledge FPS which seems to be one of the rumours, it might be of high quality but it certainly won't be the same style that BIO customers are used to. Capiche?

Not worse than anything found in either KOTOR that's for sure.

Not even made by BIO EDM so it's irrelevant for those whoa re interested in BIO style games.

Your FO:LV is a much better SR than Skyrim (or the other ES games) are.

Whata dumb law and people here are actually defending it? LMAO And, 2 years in jail for it? *puke*

FF8 is easily the best FF and Squall is one of the top 5 main characters ever. Only FF6 is close to it.

I did too 2 seconds ago. I deleted it 1 second afterwards. R00fles!

NWN2 = 2MIL = SUCCESS = HAPPINESS KOTOR2 = 2MIL = SUCCESS = LA WINING TOO MUCH ANYWAYS FO:LV = 5MIL = MAJOR SUCCESS = MORE SALES THAN ANY BIO GAMES (though DA and ME2 were in the same neighbourhood) AP = LESS THAN 1 MIL = SO MUCH A FAILURE THAT THE PUBLISHER SLAMMED IT PUBLICLY DS3 = LESS THAN 1 MIL = SOLD ABOUT THE SAME AS AP 9which was deemed a failure and I doubt the team sizes and costs were all that differenty) = SOLD FAR LESS THAN DS1 + DS2 (aren't the goals of sequels to sell AT LEAST in the same neighbourhood as the original hence why while DA2 sold very well - 2mil+ in a month it is considered a dissapointment sales wise comapred to DA1 despiute the fact it was much cheaper to make) = SOLD LESS THAN HALF THAN THE OTHER SEQUEL BASED GAMES OBSIDIAN DEVELOPED You guys must be gullible and think i'nm gullible too. how in the bejeebers can DS3 considered a success after all those facts? LMAO If Obsidian and SS are gonna pretend that DS3 is a success than their standards are really really low after Obsidian's previous successes. And, if I were Obsidian I'd be insulted to heard SS being happy with less than a mil sells. EPIC FAIL ALL AROUND.

I'm not Amerikan.. why should I care what your Amerikan (or heck Kanadian) friends think? We're disucssing soemthing. They ain't so they are unimportant.. or should I ask one of my (non existent) friends how important this discussion is and report back their answer to you if we are gonna involved non board members in it? L0L on topic: No matter how it';s sliced, 820k copies sold for a AAA title in 2011 for a game to two successful games that eaisly cleared a mil+ (if not pushing 2mil) has got to be dissapointing. Considierng that 4 of Obsidian's 6 titles have cleared 2mil sold, I'd say it's a major letdown.

New York Averys continue to be undefeated!!!

"Obsidian redefined the way choice and consequences worked in Alpha Protocol" Quality argument aside, no it didn't. It's nowhere enar the first game to have C&C work the way it does in the game.

If you aren't sure you understand what someone wrote you don't assume to know, you ask them to clarify. When youw er eins chool, and your teacher said something you weren't sure off did you just go with that to just later fail a test? That's what happened here. It was pretty clear to read but you couldn't fuigfure it out. I'd say your loss but it's clearly mine since I'm still responding to your clever trolling. Good job. Also, since you lamely cotninue tod ebate another thread from another post (joiun the codex and go at it there), why not quote his comment where he says he doesn't know anything for sure and that he is just specuilating like the rest of us are. Only Square knows for sure how much of a profit they made. Also, define 'multi millions'. I can guarantee to you if that Square only made 2 mil in pure profit from DS3 teh entire process would liekly have been considered a waste of time. Bottom line is 820k sales for a agme from a company that wnats to be AAA and have had multi million selling games in the past is a failure. Period. 820k just doesn't cut it in the modern market unless you are an idnepend with less than 10 employees.

I claimed no such thing. Did you read what I post or just spammed nonsense? I claimed that obsidian has 100+ employees and the game took 2-3 years. I didn't claim that 100+ people worked on it for a full 3 years. That be like claiming that because BIO has 100s of employees that they all worked on DA for 6 full years (like others claimed). L0LZ P.S. Try to stick to responding to points made here not on other foprums so people ehre can follow what is posted.

How does Skyrim reefine anything since it's easically the same as the earlier ES series? Does. not. compute.

L0L 'By every measure'? Davis isa cool dude but does he not realize two things: a) 820k in 2011 for a game/company trying to be a AAA developer is not a major success, b) you cna't simply go by the total money incoming but aloso how the game cost to make and how much said money has to be shared by multiple people and c) the business does not care about long term sales only immediate sales. "They've got it down. No one in my opinion does open world exploration games better." WRONG. FO:LV proved that Obsidian can do them better. Then again, Mr. davis didn't work on FO:LV so he probably just jealous of that games' success since it sold 5mil copies. R00fles! There's a certain series Grand City Auto that also proves that other companies do open world exploration games better than the worst successful company ever.

I dunno but FO3 sold 5mil+. Oblivion and MW also sold multi million copies. FO:LV (not Bethesda developed but likely stilll sold largely based on Beth's rep) actually had as many if not more sales than FO3. I wouldn't doubt if Skyrim outsold FO3 and he other ES series but I don't think that should be shocking and certainly hasn't opened up new frontiers. Betehsda has proven that open world SP RPGs can sale. They've been doing that for 2 decades now. And, that's coming from someone who is not a Betehsda fan but one can't argue with their success. Skyrim just continues that.

They keep sending me a message to change my password. I keep ignoring it. Go beta test or your own game. IF I buy it I expect it to work. If I test it I expect to be paid.