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Actually it is an indication of emotion. Just that this emotion always seems to be anger and/or hate.

Sorry, you are WRONG again. A sourcebook is so low on the canon totem pole. It is not considered a book. It is considered a game. And games are as low as canon gets in SW. Hence it is not proof and not anywhere near irrefutable proof that AFTER the rule of two (since you keep focusing on the ancient Sith) that Dark Lord of the Sith is anything more than a title any powerful Sith may be called. The Jedi master/council stuff is irrelevant except to illustrate the stupidity of naming classes after titles. It also has all the same ambiguities and inconsisitencies as the Sith Lord title. Knights are addresed as master as a sign of respect for example. On the OTHER hand???? You mean likewise. Jedi Council members are Jedi Masters. Its like saying there's no Emperor class. On the other hand would be if the two situations were different but they arent as you just showed. As for the quote. That only proves I am right and you are wrong. If were going to use a stupid sourcebook as our reference point. "While both could be Sith Lords .." That there means I am right. If you look back to my original post I start by saying IN THE TIME OF THE RULE OF TWO... So Sidious could be referring to Maul by the fact he is a Sith Lord (classwise) though this would be really stupid. As is the idea of Maul having Sith Lord classes. In the EU books which trump sourcebooks and I believe even in the movies Vader is known as a Dark Lord of the Sith. Or at least a Sith Lord. Could this be because most characters have no idea of any arbitrary technicalities on being called a Sith Lord/Dark Lord? Sure. Most of this is in your head. You point to a few sentences where a writer logically chose to write Sith Lord rather than Dark Lord of the Sith over and over. Id also like to say I doubt even GL gave any thought to it at all. Id say its a highly debatable point. How many people would really complain or even see anything wrong with Vader being called Dark Lord of the Sith? Not many. Its a highly interpretable title. Any argument that the title has requirements or itd be wrong to call such and such Sith a Dark Lord are silly.

Its going to need a massive publicity campaign. After how horrible the first two were. I certainly wont be watching it. At least not in theaters. I think Ill download it for free illegally and watch it and laugh at Anakin trying to be Darth Vader. Then again it may not even be worth the time it will take to download it.

.... Okae lets see we have a sourcebook. Wow. Which is not a credible source of info at all. Its as low on the canon totem pole as video games. Possibly lower. These also have nothing at all to do with the rule of two. Maybe youve gotten so wrapped up in trying to prove youre right youve forgotten this is about Sidious calling Maul a lord. Which is why I brought up the ancient Sith Empire with multiple Sith lords. Also at no point does it explicitly say Dark Lord of the Sith is the official title of the leader of the Sith and is reserved only for said Sith. Seems more like the author didnt want to type Dark Lord of the Sith where Sith Lord would do. Look at your own quote... "claim his title as supreme ruler of the Sith Empire." Did they say claim the title as Dark Lord of the Sith? No they didn't. And what of weaker characters referring to these Sith Lords? You dont think their apprentices and such might refer to their masters as Dark Lords? The way Jedi Knights are still often referred to as Jedi Masters by padawans and such? And where is your proof the ONLY way to be a Dark Lord is to lead a Sith cult? Just stop. There are too many inconsitencies generated by a million different authors with their own poreconceived notions and no truly official canon from GL on the proper usage of titles like Jedi Master, Sith Lord, Dark Lord of the Sith etc.

Which is too bad. Gladius had a really fun combat system.

Nope. So far so good. I've never seen ANYTHING to even imply a Sith Lord is anything but a short hand version of Dark Lord of the Sith. Link something credible and I'll change my tune. First of all if they didn't reach the rank they are not germaine to this discussion. Secondly this just brings up the point I've tried to make. Nothing defines what a Dark Lord of the Sith requires. The Sith take their titles. And only weaker Sith would actually refer to them by these titles. This proves absolutely nothing except that Kun was named THE Dark Lord of the Sith. Ulic was still a (going by your argument) Sith Lord. And this whole discussion started by someone saying Sidious called Maul a Lord. Yeah. Fewer words. Otherwise you've proven absolutely nothing. Especially since the rule of two changes they very nature of the Sith and their titles. Different DMs run different worlds so using this as any kind of argument is flawed. I also already said this stuff about being the class vs. being the leader. Once again Id like a credible link because Ive never seen anything that would prove you need to run a Sith cult to be a Dark Lord of the Sith. And if a padawan or any weaker creature encounters a "Sith Lord" that doesnt meet your criteria for Dark Lord you really think their going to argue semantics over their title? I highly doubt it.

OH I know what youre saying. But the argument evil can only be smart or should be smart is completely fallacious. Just look at the real world around us. I know that horrible real world. Just take a quick peek. There are plenty of very evil people that get caught because they also happen to be very stupid. So YES it is. In fact its almost impossible for chaotic stupid not to be evil. Chaotic=impulsive most likely selfish behaviour. Stupid=committing an act without regards for the consequences. So if they see a nice watch on display they are the ones more prone to take it. I agree. By all means make the main villain a Sidious type character. But Malak is evil chaotic stupid or not. So is Darth Bandon and he's even dumber.

Sephiroth. From Final Fantasy 7. Surely you've at least HEARD of him. I have to agree. That was some damn good dramatic music. Its become kind of famous.

Afraid not. In the ancient times multiple Sith claimed the title of Dark Lord. But there was still always someone that was clearly THE Sith lord. But once he was gone the other Sith Lords jockeyed for his spot. Not only that but it wasn't like a title granted to you by an organization or anything. It was something you took. So there was no clearly defined requirement for being a dark lord. Probably any Sith that happened upon someone weaker than themselves would demand to be referred to as a Dark Lord. Don't see what the rest of your post has to do with anything.

If chaotic stupid=mass murderer Id say it DOES mean evil. Not always but in this instance. Your argument is flawed buddy.

Yes so inexplicable. <_< Defy the Jedi council and participate in a war that forces you to make extremely gray moral choices like sacrificing cities you cant defend etc, pursue dark side knowledge and quest for incredibly powerful dark side artifacts, become stranded on an alien world and do everything in your power (no matter what) to get off it and assume control of a massive dark side infused war machine. It's also important to note it was the use of these dark side creations that led to the strife that eventually wiped out the Rakatans in the first place. Really BIG mystery why a Jedi might go darkside. I think it's pretty clear Revan was very headstrong and thirsted for knowledge even if it was Sith knowledge. One of these things alone are usually the reason a character falls to the darkside in SW mythos. Your Jedi Master if you talk to him about it even warns you specifically about how Revan fell. He was the best and brightest of us blah blah but his thirst for knowledge ultimately led to his fall. Some Jedi think they can handle all the knowledge of the Dark Side and still use it. I think Revan thought this too. He was wrong. Malak was more hesitant and less certain that they could but followed Revan anyway. I rather like that KOTOR doesnt throw every answer in your face and then beat you over the head with it. You can actually figure out a lot of the backstory like this but it requires talking and reading most people skipped. Look at how many people cant figure out the unknown space Revan led his fleet into was the Star Forge location. Or at the number of people that wonder why there are so many crashed republic ships on the Rakatan world.

When it comes to the rule of two the apprentice is considered A Dark Lord of the Sith but not THE Dark Lord of the Sith. Even in ancient days truly powerful Sith would consider themselves Dark Lords but that didnt mean they were the numero uno boss. Just like there can be multiple Jedi Masters. But the Master obviously should never call his apprentice Lord or anything. MAybe if speaking to another about his apprentice. Like "respect your dark lords wishes" etc. Or maybe as a confidence booster. I think the real confusion comes from the class Sith Lord. Sith Lord is supposed to be a title but some genius made it also be a class. So you could have a Sith Marauder or whatever be the leader of the Sith and hence THE Dark Lord of the Sith but not be a Sith Lord. Its all about context. You have to pay attention to if the character means a title or not.

Maybe if youre talking about fallout tactics. Which I don't believe Black Isle did. I could be wrong though.

Revan was the main character. What kind of horrible twist doesnt involve the main character?

It might also be the insanely obvious influence of Nazism on the OT Empire. The clothing they wear for example. And their behavior. Including the one soldiers comments on Chewie. And the fact every single one is a white human male. (This one might have been more a function of the times the movie was created though) I dont think its so much a function of the Sith as a whole though. It may have just been that Palpatine was a racist but not all Sith are. Or perhaps its simply that racist, bigoted, sexist, etc. sort of people are exactly the kind of people likely to want to become a member of a group like the Empire.

That's just wrong. <_< Thats not just wrong thats... (searches for strong enough word) An abomination! Yes that word will do. <_< Im not even THAT into SW and I wanted to vomit seeing Hayden Christiansen there. It also begs the question why the hell is he there when Vader is obviously a much older man by the time he dies. Shouldnt we also see Ewan McGregor instead of Alec Guiness?! It's truly official. GL has gone insane.

God I love having the true OT on VHS. :D

You already brought this up before and it was all explained. <_< But since it obviously all went in one ear and out the other here's a refresher. http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...ght%20sith&st=0 By the way what is this feel stuff? Typos are one thing but to consistently mispell a four letter word...

I didn't bash him. Not in the most little kid sensitive feeling definition of the word did I bash him. Mock maybe.

What unknown????? Are you referring to them taking the fleet into unknown space? <_< (Sigh) That was them going to find the Star Forge after learning it's location from the maps. As for the original post Id like to see something like that. Reincarnating dead Sith would be pretty dumb (in my personal opinion) but reviving the lost knowledge of Sith alchemy and such would be awesome. Start facing the beasts of Naga Sadow and Sith Lords with force amulets. Scary. (Shudders)

Every Bioware game has had something close to 1 billion release date GUESSES thrown around about them. Big surprise some of them actually hit close to the mark. Most were way off. P.S. Work on your storytelling skills

Winter can mean January. Heck even Febuary. Winter is nice and vague and easily delayed. Let's not bother guessing release dates. Its tiresome.

Nah they just need 1. A merchant or merchants to buy the items at a reasonable price 2. Better inventory system 3. Better system of placing items in containers for the pack rats in the game. 4. Non-bugged containers on the ebon hawk to store items. Dont know about PC but on X-box somtimes stuff would disappear. Especially if I encountered the galaxy droid glitch. p.s. This is my 424th post.