Guard Dog Posted October 2, 2017 Posted October 2, 2017 On 10/2/2017 at 11:24 PM, Gromnir said: On 10/2/2017 at 10:21 PM, TrueNeutral said: ps civil war deaths is almost certain underreported. confederate reported deaths don't match the expectations o' most historians, which ain't surprising as confederate record keeping were suffering at the time. add between 100k-200k soldier deaths is gonna be a fair adjustment. gd might know civilian civil war deaths off hand, but we do not and am too depressed by such a thing to check. There is no accurate record for the south. The north the estimate was around 15k. Most of those were during six months or so of the Valley Campaign in 1864. And the majority of those surrounding the four major engagements that took place between Martinsburg, Harper's Ferry and Fredrick. Lee's invasion the year before had very few civilian casualties because it was short lived and saw only one major engagement. In the south I've read as many as one fifth of the population was killed in the war. it's impossible to say. I do know more civilians were killed in Sherman's March, especially at Atlanta than in the north for the entire war. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Volourn Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 "What the ****? More than anyone else's too, I guess. I'm not too fond of those who'll shoot law enforcement or military forces for their 'principles'. It's fine if you decide you're not worth **** but another human life isn't less important than your goddamn pellet guns. I honestly don't see how that statement doesn't make you as radical as a ISIS terrorist shooting people for his 'principles'. " But, I bet you are okay if those police go to his door at his home, demand his guns, he refuses, then they kill him or lock him up for the rest of his life? L0L That is Nazi talk. To compare that to ISIS is intellectual dishonesty. ISIS goes to other peoples' homes and blows them up. Same with US soldiers being killed when in foreign countries (whether the war is jutsified or not) is FAR different than the scenario you propose. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Malcador Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 GD is white, they'd just wait him out to get his guns. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gromnir Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 2:08 AM, Malcador said: GD is white, they'd just wait him out to get his guns. just like they did with the branch davidians? HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Malcador Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 2:18 AM, Gromnir said: On 10/3/2017 at 2:08 AM, Malcador said: GD is white, they'd just wait him out to get his guns. just like they did with the branch davidians? HA! Good Fun! Ok, they'd wait him out and then burn him alive. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gromnir Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 2:24 AM, Malcador said: On 10/3/2017 at 2:18 AM, Gromnir said: On 10/3/2017 at 2:08 AM, Malcador said: GD is white, they'd just wait him out to get his guns. just like they did with the branch davidians? HA! Good Fun! Ok, they'd wait him out and then burn him alive. that will teach him a lesson. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Malcador Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Well, in this experiment their goal is to get his guns. His death is just collateral damage. Edited October 3, 2017 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Namutree Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/2/2017 at 10:21 PM, TrueNeutral said: I'm not sure of the source of this, but I feel like it shows the difference? Also pretty sure the amount peacetime Americans killed with firearms inside US borders is more than the amount of Americans killed in every war and armed conflict America has participated in put together? Don't take my word for it though. Typing on my crappy phone so I didn't check. Sure is nifty that it starts after 9/11 but before the Orlando shooting. "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic.
Blarghagh Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 To be fair, I was completely honest about not trusting the source and validity.
Gorgon Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Well that's when someone would make this. After 9/11. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Guard Dog Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 10:38 AM, Ben No.3 said: On 10/3/2017 at 3:48 AM, Sharp_one said: Leftist reaction: It's about gender & race Normal people reaction: We wished we had guns populists reaction: let's abuse this national tragedy for political propaganda This "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Malcador Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 3:48 AM, Sharp_one said: Leftist reaction: It's about gender & race Normal people reaction: We wished we had guns Reasonable comparison. They would probably clutch those guns in fear, not suddenly transform into Ding Chavez. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Zoraptor Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 10:33 AM, Sharp_one said: On 10/3/2017 at 10:09 AM, Gorgon said: Well that's when someone would make this. After 9/11. Yes, but most honest people would include 9/11. Generally you exclude highly unusual events as being misleading, otherwise you end up with Norway being a Nazi deathtrap due to Breivik or 100% of international terrorism related deaths in New Zealand being due to the French equivalent of the CIA attacking Greenpeace. Doesn't have much to do with honesty anyway, last time people brought up statistics about terrorism we had a chart that excluded every developed country that had zero terrorist related deaths to try and prove how bad the problem was- unsurprisingly there were more with zero deaths than there were with deaths; and Norway was worst per capita due solely to Breivik.
injurai Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 12:09 PM, Zoraptor said: Generally you exclude highly unusual events as being misleading, otherwise you end up with Norway being a Nazi deathtrap due to Breivik or 100% of international terrorism related deaths in New Zealand being due to the French equivalent of the CIA attacking Greenpeace. Doesn't have much to do with honesty anyway, last time people brought up statistics about terrorism we had a chart that excluded every developed country that had zero terrorist related deaths to try and prove how bad the problem was- unsurprisingly there were more with zero deaths than there were with deaths; and Norway was worst per capita due solely to Breivik. Throwing out outliers usually only makes sense when you don't clamp the findings to just post 9/11 either. Islamic terrorism goes back at least to the early 80's. Even then outliers get amortized over such a long period that it's typically best to leave them in when discerning averages. Next, you don't just pull older numbers. After 2001 the next deadliest years of terror attacks is 2014, 2015, and 2016. Then when talking about the US alone, you don't just cite low numbers of attacks when more than anything our surveillance programs have been setup to mitigate attacks in the first place. These days I find statistics to be increasingly subversive. You can without changing observed data, obscure the reality that produced the data set.
Varana Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 11:46 AM, Sharp_one said: The only ones to do that right now is the left that want's to abolish second amendment. Because if they can abolish one amendment they have a precedence for abolishing the rest. You might want to look into the 18th and 21st amendment. Therefore I have sailed the seas and come To the holy city of Byzantium. -W.B. Yeats Χριστός ἀνέστη!
Gfted1 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 12:33 PM, injurai said: These days I find statistics to be increasingly subversive. You can without changing observed data, obscure the reality that produced the data set. What! That's crazy talk! Just look at this poll performed by the press, which shows that the press is increasingly trusted by more people. *nodnod* "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Guard Dog Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) On 10/3/2017 at 12:48 PM, Varana said: On 10/3/2017 at 11:46 AM, Sharp_one said: The only ones to do that right now is the left that want's to abolish second amendment. Because if they can abolish one amendment they have a precedence for abolishing the rest. You might want to look into the 18th and 21st amendment. You know what? If that's the way they want to do it, then let's do it. If 2/3 of Americans decide to repeal the 2nd Amendment THEN I'll go along with it. But not by the legislature ignoring that inconvenient document that limits their hubris and ramming their will down our throats. Edited October 3, 2017 by Guard Dog "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Hurlshort Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 We aren't exactly close to abolishing the 2nd Amendment, so everyone can relax about their guns. As I said, if Sandy Hook didn't result in any dramatic changes in gun control laws, this is not going to do anything either. That being said, having a gun would have been fairly useless in this scenario. You aren't going to take out a guy on the 32nd floor with a pistol. It would be terribly reckless to even try. So what about the cake decorator case. Is cake decoration an example of art?
Blarghagh Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) On 10/3/2017 at 10:33 AM, Sharp_one said: On 10/3/2017 at 9:51 AM, TrueNeutral said: To be fair, I was completely honest about not trusting the source and validity.We know TN, you are known for being honest and just. Yeah, that's true. I put a lot of value on the forum guidelines and respecting Obsidian's decisions. If I had let my personal feelings get in the way, I could easily think of some members that would have been perma-banned a long time ago. I value the rules so much that I can't persecute people and go full SJW on Obsidian's boards like I would if I owned the board and if I can no longer be objective I tell the others that they should take care of a situation. In truth I'm much milder than I feel like I should be. Edited October 3, 2017 by TrueNeutral 2
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 TN is being paid by George Soros to censor opinions on the vital battleground of Obsidian Forums. We must take a stand against the Gay Muslim Communist conspiracy by calling him a rayciss. 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Guard Dog Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Yeah, yeah. We're not buying that. I don't blame you though. That guy is filthy rich, why not get some for yourself! "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Blarghagh Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 After googling, follow-up question: If I'm a racist SJW hippie, why would I work for an eastern-european coorporate banking pig? 1
Blarghagh Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 That doesn't make sense, I thought leftists hated Trump. I guess I'm not sure what everyone else thinks a leftist or SJW even is anymore.
Gfted1 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Sometimes it becomes difficult to explain while delivering pithy zingers. Hell, I thought he was talking about you, TN. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
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