Politics - Jason X

[Hurlshort]

Damnit, I'm super jealous of that state income tax rate.  

[Agiel]

Of course, us in California can take solace in the fact that we have better wine, food, and weather than everyone else. Oh, and Yosemite.

 

Its greatest resource is also well-taken care of when it comes to higher education. Best in class for film studies, sciences and high technology (everyone knows MIT is a punk b**** compared to Caltech, there, I said it), art, and public research schools.

Edited August 30, 2017 by Agiel

[Wrath of Dagon]

I hate to break it to you, but the Republicans don't believe in liberal Democracy either.

But Democrats are far, far worse. Granted both parties are corrupt, but without changing the electoral system nothing can be done about it.

[smjjames]

 

I hate to break it to you, but the Republicans don't believe in liberal Democracy either.

But Democrats are far, far worse. Granted both parties are corrupt, but without changing the electoral system nothing can be done about it.

 

 

We'd say the same of our opposing parties as far as who is far worse on x issue, but yes, not much can be done about the problems with our current political system without changing the electoral system. Like changing away from FPTP (first past the post) for example.

Edited August 30, 2017 by smjjames

[Volourn]

"Of course, us in California can take solace in the fact that we have better wine, food, and weather than everyone else."

 

You also do earthquakes pretty well.

 

P.S. Good on Pelosi on this... of coruse, she needs expect to be called a KKK apologist or some other such nonsense.

Edited August 30, 2017 by Volourn

[Hurlshort]

It seems the left is starting to recognize antifa for what they really are. Nazi in disguise.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/powerpost/wp/2017/08/30/pelosi-condemns-violent-actions-of-antifa-protesters/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.827cf384ca47

 

What is the difference between these chaps and the Black Bloc protesters?

 

It seems to me that Antifa is kind of like Alt-Right, in that there are numerous groups that claim to be a part of it, some much worse than others. It also seems rather disorganized. 

[smjjames]

It seems the left is starting to recognize antifa for what they really are. Nazi in disguise.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/powerpost/wp/2017/08/30/pelosi-condemns-violent-actions-of-antifa-protesters/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.827cf384ca47

 

I wouldn't quite say that they're 'nazis in disguise' (given that they're opposing the nazis), but yes, they're definetly an equivalent distance from the center. Peaceful protests are a heck of a lot more effective anyway.

 

As the saying goes, violence begets violence begets violence begets violence begets violence begets violence. Okay, it's an extended version of the saying which makes the point that it's a cycle.

[smjjames]

 

It seems the left is starting to recognize antifa for what they really are. Nazi in disguise.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/powerpost/wp/2017/08/30/pelosi-condemns-violent-actions-of-antifa-protesters/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.827cf384ca47

 

What is the difference between these chaps and the Black Bloc protesters?

 

It seems to me that Antifa is kind of like Alt-Right, in that there are numerous groups that claim to be a part of it, some much worse than others. It also seems rather disorganized. 

 

 

The antifa (the anarchists and the ones descended from anti-fascist groups from the 1930's and 1940's) are the ones who think the only solution to the alt-right is to fight back with violence instead of peacefully. The Black Bloc (is that the same as BLM?) and Black Lives Matter generally prefer peaceful rather than violence.

 

edit: Not sure why I double posted, but anyways.......

Edited August 30, 2017 by smjjames

[Hurlshort]

I've been reading up on the Patriot Prayer group and Joey Gibson. Talk about a crazy story, this guy seems to be doing everything he can to distance himself from white supremacists and denounce racists, and he is still getting attacked.

 

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/08/23/whos-behind-this-weekends-right-wing-rally-at-crissy-field/

 

Hopefully all this stuff dies down a bit soon so we can start having actual dialogue.

[Volourn]

 "Black Lives Matter generally prefer peaceful"

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

 

 

'DEATH TO WHITEY! EPAICIALLY THE PIGS! DEATH TO WHITEY ESPICIALLY THE PIG!'

 

BLM shooters mass murders multiple white cops and also shoots a black mother.

 

 

But, yeah, BLm is about 'peaceful' protest. HAHAHAHAH!

[HoonDing]

BLM, Antifa are obstructionist Democrat fronts preventing God Emperor Trump from #MAGA.

[Guard Dog]

 

I hate to break it to you, but the Republicans don't believe in liberal Democracy either.

But Democrats are far, far worse. Granted both parties are corrupt, but without changing the electoral system nothing can be done about it.

 

 

Have you ever considered not voting for Republicans and Democrats? If we get enough people to do that we CAN start changing things a little without screwing with the Constitution. It has happened before. You don't see any Whigs running around do you?

 

Oh... wait: http://www.modernwhig.org/

[Malcador]

Can't wait until people seriously rank Antifa up there with Al Qaeda.

[HoonDing]

"Have you ever considered not voting for Republicans and Democrats? If we get enough people to do that we CAN start changing things a little without screwing with the Constitution. It has happened before. You don't see any Whigs running around do you?"

 

[smjjames]

The libertarians tend to be well, um... kinda crazy.

 

@volourn: ..... you're cherrypicking...

 

Anyways, for some reason, CNN cut away early from Trump's tax speech while everybody else stayed on http://thehill.com/homenews/media/348598-cnn-cuts-away-from-trump-tax-speech FTFE (**** The Fourth Estate) *shrug*.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

It seems the left is starting to recognize antifa for what they really are. Nazi in disguise.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/powerpost/wp/2017/08/30/pelosi-condemns-violent-actions-of-antifa-protesters/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.827cf384ca47

 

What is the difference between these chaps and the Black Bloc protesters?

 

It seems to me that Antifa is kind of like Alt-Right, in that there are numerous groups that claim to be a part of it, some much worse than others. It also seems rather disorganized.

 

Black Bloc is a tactic from the 80's, antifa is from 20's-30's Europe where fascists started getting into the government and leftists started fighting them. Today black bloc is the preferred tactic of the left and antifa is a catchall term for protesting reactionaries or part of a deep-state conspiracy to attack WoD.

[Guard Dog]

"Have you ever considered not voting for Republicans and Democrats? If we get enough people to do that we CAN start changing things a little without screwing with the Constitution. It has happened before. You don't see any Whigs running around do you?"

 

 

Sure, 7 million paying member of the LP and this one guy is representative of every one of them.

[ShadySands]

Here's a handy guide that works no matter which side of the aisle you're on

 

My side = nuanced and complex with the bad apples not speaking for the whole

Your  side = everyone is literally Hitler and/or Stalin

[Deadly_Nightshade]

 

"Have you ever considered not voting for Republicans and Democrats? If we get enough people to do that we CAN start changing things a little without screwing with the Constitution. It has happened before. You don't see any Whigs running around do you?"

 

 

Sure, 7 million paying member of the LP and this one guy is representative of every one of them.

 

 

Wasn't that the result of a bet? I could be wrong but I think that's why he stripped.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

He stripped because he thought Gary Johnson was a republican who smoked weed and not a libertarian.

[Raithe]

From an American relation of mine : "Could we be the only country dumb enough to start a second civil war because we're offended by the first one?"

[Deadly_Nightshade]

He stripped because he thought Gary Johnson was a republican who smoked weed and not a libertarian.

 

And both points would be wrong since Gary Johnson isn't a Republican and doesn't smoke weed!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He eats it...

[Volourn]

"@volourn: ..... you're cherrypicking..."

 

'Cherry picking'.

 

LIke people who claim that douchebag who murdered that woman with his car represents the entire 'Alt Right'.

 

 Facts are the facts.  BLm likes to commit mass murder and chant racist slogans as they march. EVIL.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

He stripped because he thought Gary Johnson was a republican who smoked weed and not a libertarian.

 

And both points would be wrong since Gary Johnson isn't a Republican and doesn't smoke weed!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He eats it...

 

Well that's reason enough to strip in protest.

[smjjames]

From an American relation of mine : "Could we be the only country dumb enough to start a second civil war because we're offended by the first one?"

 

We're nowhere near that point... right now anyway.

 

With all the rhetoric flying around about what might happen if Trump got impeached, I hope nothing does happen. There could be issues if the impeachment looks highly partisan and depends on how the investigation stuff shakes out.