Terror attack in Barcelona

[Volourn]

The fatal flaw of Islam as a religion is that its founder and main source of worship is that of a man who lieks to rape and marry little girls.  A man that lacks morals to that degree should  not be held up as a beacon to be followed. That is Islam's Original Sin much like Catholic Original Sin is following a 'god' that enjoys mass murdering children and other innocent people for giggles.

[injurai]

Is there actually accounts of rape or what we would consider statutory rape? I knew he had young wives and multiple wives. The wive part has to do with women needing to be kept by a man, and an able man would keep another wife to provide for her and keep her safe from other men. Especially if their husband died.

 

From my studies of the religion though, my problem was always that Muhammad tied the religious leader and governmental leader together, and further he spread the faith by sword and threat of disarray. People converted just to appease him, and deconverted on his death. Because his model is supposedly pure and willed by Allah, his successors had to attempt to fill his role, thus we get the various lineages of caliphs. Who all spread Islam by the sort as a top down integration of law and belief.

[Hurlshort]

With talk like this, I really don't get why there is so much tension between the Islamic and Western world. We are building strong bridges with a foundation of understanding here.

[Volourn]

So we should pretend that the Islamic founder was a rapist of little girls? And, that the Catholic god didn't mass murder little children? All because it might hurt people's feelz? I'd rather deal with the truth. Should I get butthurt if someone calls me ugly even though it is true? NO. the facts are the facts no matter how ugly.

[BruceVC]

With talk like this, I really don't get why there is so much tension between the Islamic and Western world. We are building strong bridges with a foundation of understanding here.

 

You probably put the most meaningful effort into these debates to position a reasonable and objective view of the Muslim diaspora and its integration into places like the USA and yet you often seem to be debating alone ....but I appreciate your consistency and it does matter as its the principle 

 

But there is a valid argument around uncontrolled or expected immigration from Muslim countries to places like the EU and the USA. There has to a better way of encouraging this than playing guilt trips or suggesting people are bigots when concerns are raised about integration and cultural acceptance 

 

And I am not saying this is what you suggesting but I hear this in SA when certain anti-Western commentators say things like 

 

"  The EU must just accept all immigrants as they are rich and must share resources " 

" The USA  are bigots because some of their  citizens have real concerns about domestic terrorist attacks by lone wolf Islamic homegrown extremists "  

[BruceVC]

So we should pretend that the Islamic founder was a rapist of little girls? And, that the Catholic god didn't mass murder little children? All because it might hurt people's feelz? I'd rather deal with the truth. Should I get butthurt if someone calls me ugly even though it is true? NO. the facts are the facts no matter how ugly.

volo what do you mean by " mass murder of children " ?

 

In this in the Bible?

[injurai]

Maybe he's talking about passover?

[BruceVC]

Maybe he's talking about passover?

I looked this up as Im not an expert on Old Testament history and yes I think you 100 % correct

 

He is referring to Moses and the Jews leaving Egypt and how Egyptian children were killed....but even if that is correct its got to be one of the most unreasonable and unusual criticisms of a religion I have heard? We talking about events that happened thousands of years ago ?

[HoonDing]

The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.

[Volourn]

"volo what do you mean by " mass murder of children " ?

 

In this in the Bible?"

 

I stated what I meant. 'God' mass murders children (and others). he does so proudly and brags about it.  Seriously, people, read the book. I mean has nobody heard about the Flood where he mass murders the entire population except one man's family and a few select others. Not to mention all the animals he slaughetrs as well. All for giggles.

 

EVIL.

[BruceVC]

"volo what do you mean by " mass murder of children " ?

 

In this in the Bible?"

 

I stated what I meant. 'God' mass murders children (and others). he does so proudly and brags about it.  Seriously, people, read the book. I mean has nobody heard about the Flood where he mass murders the entire population except one man's family and a few select others. Not to mention all the animals he slaughetrs as well. All for giggles.

 

EVIL.

But volo what denomination are you, I thought you were agnostic like me?

[Volourn]

I'm not religious. What has that have to do with what it says in the bible which is the Catholic belief system on paper?

[HoonDing]

I thought God hurled a giant meteor to destroy the dinosaurs.

[213374U]

"volo what do you mean by " mass murder of children " ?

 

In this in the Bible?"

 

I stated what I meant. 'God' mass murders children (and others). he does so proudly and brags about it.  Seriously, people, read the book. I mean has nobody heard about the Flood where he mass murders the entire population except one man's family and a few select others. Not to mention all the animals he slaughetrs as well. All for giggles.

 

EVIL.

 

With good reason, too. We can't seem to stop disobeying His commandments: 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2017 by 213374U

[Volourn]

Yeah those scumbag children.  They deserve death for 'breaking the commandments'. LMAO

[213374U]

Yeah those scumbag children.  They deserve death for 'breaking the commandments'. LMAO

 

Are you kidding? Kids are the worst, man. Pint-sized devils... Some of the **** they do to each other in the playground is downright nasty.

[injurai]

I have a game, let's rank what's worse:

 

x. Kids being nasty.

x. God killing kids.

x. Adults excusing God's killing of kids.

[BruceVC]

I'm not religious. What has that have to do with what it says in the bible which is the Catholic belief system on paper?

But volo to be fair then that type of criticism about the bible is very unreasonable and also unintentionally you are demonstrating a form of inconsistency around the definition of what you say is wrong...let me explain

 

If you not religious then why does it matter what any religious scriptures says about events in the past, its illogical to say " God kills children " if you dont believe in God? Also my understanding of the Old Testament is that some stories are parables and are not suppose to be taken literally? 

[Volourn]

My believe in the bible is irrelevant here. People read the bible and believe in god. They claim he is a good  being who loves everyone including children yet in the very book that praises him  he is mass murdering children so how can people worship a god that  so coldly murders his children and it is simply accepted a spart of 'mysterious plan?

 

It is one of the (many) reasons why I'm not religious.

[teknoman2]

With talk like this, I really don't get why there is so much tension between the Islamic and Western world. We are building strong bridges with a foundation of understanding here.

as i said: i don't judge people, i'm just stating facts about what the doctrine of islam is and while i have no way to verify their authenticity, there are a bunch of data suggesting that the majority of muslims are convinced that following the quran to the letter is the best way of life and all should embrace it.

bridges can be built but considering how vastly different western and islamic cultures are, doing it requires a vast amount of mutual concessions... so many in fact that one or the other will quite possibly lose its identity.

[HoonDing]

"Yeah those scumbag children.  They deserve death for 'breaking the commandments'. LMAO"

 

Kill them all. God will know his own.

[Malcador]

as i said: i don't judge people,

 

Uh huh.

[teknoman2]

 

as i said: i don't judge people,

 

Uh huh.

 

well, i judge Muhammad for making the brainwashing machine called islam but what may seem as a generalization on the people who follow that faith, is more of a comment on what that faith demands of them and how these demands force on those who come to the west a choice between compliance with their faith and casting off part of their faith for integration into a society that rejects most of what their faith asks/permits. 

[teknoman2]

well, a brief summary of islam would be "live like the prophet did". the problem is that many (ISIS being the best example) take that extremely literally. 

[teknoman2]

in most religions "god told us to do X" is purposefully left abstract so they can shape it depending on the situation.

jesus said "love your neigbor" but he never said anything about the guys in the next town. it's left up to interpretation whether they are neighbors or not.

islam on the other hand is very precise and detailed

love your fellow muslim but not the infidel. if you meet infidels do the following

1. try to convert them of their own will

2. force them to convert by enslaving them

3. if conquest is not possible, settle in their lands and outbreed them

4. if all else fails, just start killing them until they submit and convert or are exterminated.