Gfted1 Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 "Undocumented worker" is the new illegal immigrant. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Malcador Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Could not be in an instance. Could be some of illegal TFW, perhaps. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Blarghagh Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 "Undocumented worker" is the new illegal immigrant. Well yeah, it's just trying to make it sound less bad. But I'm not sure how it's misinformation? Dey took ur jerbs and all?
Gfted1 Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Ok, here goes. The meme states "undocumented workers", which is really illegal immigration, and goes on to state that "misinformation" is one of the real culprits. Namutree feels that calling illegal immigrants "undocumented workers" is in fact misinformation used to change the tone, just as you described. At least I think that's Namutree's point. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Blarghagh Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Fair enough, but how does different discriptionary words counts as misinformation? It's like saying somebody calling a bush foliage is misinforming people. He's not. A bush is foliage. Undocumented workers are illegal immigrants.
Raithe Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Okay, and to keep some things out of the funny things thread when they're somewhat in relation to current politics: 1 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
Gfted1 Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Fair enough, but how does different discriptionary words counts as misinformation? Because it plays down the severity of the situation to lessen the impact of the problem. I know you have a hard radar lock on "took ur jobs" but illegal immigration in the US goes much further than that, and that's the point of saying "undocumented workers"; "we'll call it one (minor) thing and ignore all the rest". "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Blarghagh Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 So the point is they picked only one part of the illegal immigration issue, so it's fake news by omission. But they also left out a bunch of other things that people think are destroying the US, like political correctness, pollution, coorporations, racism, sexual deviancy, godlessness, government overspending, vaccines and GMOs. So shouldn't it also be fake news by omission simply because it's a pamphlet pic that doesn't have a thousand lines of text on it? I still don't see how it's wrong information. Was this quote required to address every single facet of every single issue? I mean, yeah undocumented workers are a small part of a bigger problem. But does this need to say that? *This post does not include every single issue that affects the USA. Just in case.
Gfted1 Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Eh, I don't have the energy for this rabbit hole. I was just trying to explain Namutree's possible point, my bad. You're right, its about dem takin ur jobs. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Blarghagh Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 No I get it, I just don't think that explanation makes any sense. 1
injurai Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 At what point do people stop banging their head against double speak, and start unifying words properly as synonyms. It's far easier to just engage their sentiment rather than trying to prove there was some misinformation that needs to be deconstructed. Your deconstructions won't really be illuminating anyone.
Blarghagh Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 That's my point, with such a loose definition of misinformation (he said a structure, not a building!) it becomes really easy to just throw around random accusations of fake news. What are we, Trump?
redneckdevil Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Fair enough, but how does different discriptionary words counts as misinformation? It's like saying somebody calling a bush foliage is misinforming people. He's not. A bush is foliage. Undocumented workers are illegal immigrants. https://youtu.be/7n2PW1TqxQk
Blarghagh Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 It's not really soft-language though. It's just a sub-problem. I swear, the anti-political correctness debaters looks and reaches for outrage more than the SJWs ever did. 1
Gfted1 Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Words have actual meanings, discuss! "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
injurai Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 George Carlin is right. At the same time I think people above a certain age bare individual responsibility to develop their language skills and keep up with language. It's a two prong issue. On one side, stop using language to manipulate people, opt for sincerity and clarity. Do take on the responsibility to understand what is being said and understand that language embeds the spin that the speaker wishes to put on something. Instead of acting like they are hiding things, it will actually tell you more. But also don't just go around reading into everything someone says, there language use may be a result of the realm they are operating in and not some malicious ulterior motive.
Hurlshort Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Illegal immigration and undocumented workers are two different things, though, although there is going to be quite a bit of overlap. When you are talking about people taking your jobs, undocumented workers is a more descriptive term. Honestly illegal immigrant is a bit of a misleading term. Do people that crossed over legally but overstayed a visa still count as illegal? Illegal immigrant is fairly loaded as a term, it makes it sound like being in the US without a visa or citizenship is a criminal offense. It is a civil one. The term really applies more to a person caught in the act of trying to cross the border. But it has become common place and broad in usage, and that doesn't really bother me. As was mentioned, it tells me a lot about the person using it. Edited July 13, 2017 by Hurlshot
Blarghagh Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Are people who work but don't document it or pay income tax immigrants? 1
Gfted1 Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 On a scale of one to ten, what is your favorite color of the alphabet? 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
Raithe Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 To go with a scene from Babylon 5... John Sheridan:It's our version of the homeless. In many ways, we have the same problem Earth does. Julie Musante:Mmm. Earth doesn't have homeless. Sheridan:Excuse me? Musante:We don't have the problem. Yes, there are some "displaced" people, here and there, but, uh… they've chosen to be in that position. They're either lazy, or they're criminal, or they're mentally unstable. Sheridan:They can't get a job! Musante:EarthGov has promised a job to anyone that wants one. So, if someone doesn't have a job, they must not want one. . . . [Musante runs down a list of all the social problems EarthGov has suddenly solved.] Sheridan:And, uh w-when exactly did all this happen? Musante:When we rewrote the dictionary. "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
Namutree Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Fair enough, but how does different discriptionary words counts as misinformation? It's like saying somebody calling a bush foliage is misinforming people. He's not. A bush is foliage. Undocumented workers are illegal immigrants. You're right that it could be referring to the issue of undocumented workers specifically and not using it as a euphemism for illegal aliens, but that would be extremely strange considering there is no angst in the US regarding undocumented workers. There is, however, a lot regarding illegal aliens. Edited July 13, 2017 by Namutree "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic.
Wrath of Dagon Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Fair enough, but how does different discriptionary words counts as misinformation? It's like saying somebody calling a bush foliage is misinforming people. He's not. A bush is foliage. Undocumented workers are illegal immigrants.It's misinformation because it implies the only issue here is that they somehow failed to get their documents correct for working, where in fact they broke the law by coming here and continue to break it by being here at all, working or not. Do people that crossed over legally but overstayed a visa still count as illegal?Yes, because it's illegal to overstay your visa. Edited July 13, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
Hurlshort Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) When you have 11 million people breaking the law, it's easy to just blame those people. But the reality is probably a lot more complex than that. It is akin to me blaming my students when half of them fail a test. I can easily justify that they didn't study enough or whatever, but in reality I created a bad situation as the teacher. The US has put itself in this situation and needs immigration reform more than a wall and mass deportation. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ Edited July 13, 2017 by Hurlshot
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