Politics 2017 part 4

[Wrath of Dagon]

I'm sure the State Department blowhards really put the fear of God in those Ruskies!

[Hurlshort]

I'm sure the State Department blowhards really put the fear of God in those Ruskies!

 

I take it you trust the military generals to keep us out of war, instead?

[Wrath of Dagon]

si vis pacem, para bellum

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

I can honestly say I didn't expect Trump to win the election but always thought, in the off chance that he did, that by virtue of the sheer destructiveness of his policies the left would be dragged kicking and screaming leftward and actually begin to organise around issues pertaining to class.And that still may be true however it certainly won't be done with Democrat support. Were they smart they'd have attempted to court the left back to the centre/right with some basic class rhetoric/handouts but instead they seem to be going this route:

Basically adhering to what is quite honestly a very disturbing political narrative of supposedly unified "race interests". This will of course only continue to empower the rising racist far-right.

This is good. The Democratic Party would never move beyond milquetoast liberalism and driving off anyone remotely class consiouss in the US still holding on will hopefully make a split happen. The issue is where those people go, a socdem party like the recent Green Party or a more radical organization. At this point I'm willing to bet on the former in the short-term, with a Trump victory in 2020 and maybe an economic downturn that wounds the right.

 

 

"Yay! A bunch of people will suffer and die as a result of disastrous Republican policies, but there's a tiny chance that a major party will self-detonate and an even tinier chance that one of the offshoots will have policies I like, but hey, totes worth it bro, it isn't ****ing wishful thinking AT ALL"

[Meshugger]

Class-thinking will cause the people of the nation to be at odds with each other on their possessions, race-thinking will cause the people of the nation to be at odds with each others biology, religion-thinking will cause the people of the nation to be at odds with each others souls. The golden mean is just around the corner.

[Hurlshort]

si vis pacem, para bellum

 

It's a good response, but it isn't an either or proposition. We can have diplomacy and military readiness.

[Malcador]

Seems like freezing their budget while they optimize would be a good idea if they are unready with the current huge budget.

[Gfted1]

Spreading freedom aint cheap.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

I can honestly say I didn't expect Trump to win the election but always thought, in the off chance that he did, that by virtue of the sheer destructiveness of his policies the left would be dragged kicking and screaming leftward and actually begin to organise around issues pertaining to class.And that still may be true however it certainly won't be done with Democrat support. Were they smart they'd have attempted to court the left back to the centre/right with some basic class rhetoric/handouts but instead they seem to be going this route:

Basically adhering to what is quite honestly a very disturbing political narrative of supposedly unified "race interests". This will of course only continue to empower the rising racist far-right.

 

This is good. The Democratic Party would never move beyond milquetoast liberalism and driving off anyone remotely class consiouss in the US still holding on will hopefully make a split happen. The issue is where those people go, a socdem party like the recent Green Party or a more radical organization. At this point I'm willing to bet on the former in the short-term, with a Trump victory in 2020 and maybe an economic downturn that wounds the right.

 

"Yay! A bunch of people will suffer and die as a result of disastrous Republican policies, but there's a tiny chance that a major party will self-detonate and an even tinier chance that one of the offshoots will have policies I like, but hey, totes worth it bro, it isn't ****ing wishful thinking AT ALL"

As opposed to disatrous Republican policies from 2 decades ago?

[Hurlshort]

So we are cutting meals for the elderly and the free school lunch programs?

 

The school lunch program is quite possibly the most important thing that some schools are doing. I've worked at a number of tough schools, and the fact that these kids can get a warm meal and some time away from tragic situations at home is invaluable. I'm confident that in California the state will pick up the slack, but I imagine all the states who already rely heavily on federal dollars to get by will be in trouble.

[Guard Dog]

 

si vis pacem, para bellum

 

It's a good response, but it isn't an either or proposition. We can have diplomacy and military readiness.

 

 

In fact they depend heavily on one another. The former without the latter is just old powerless men talking and the latter without the former just back opponents into a corner and forces them to fight. Even if they didn't really want to.

[Barothmuk]

So we are cutting meals for the elderly and the free school lunch programs?

Edited March 17, 2017 by Barothmuk

[Malcador]

So we are cutting meals for the elderly and the free school lunch programs?

 

The school lunch program is quite possibly the most important thing that some schools are doing. I've worked at a number of tough schools, and the fact that these kids can get a warm meal and some time away from tragic situations at home is invaluable. I'm confident that in California the state will pick up the slack, but I imagine all the states who already rely heavily on federal dollars to get by will be in trouble.

You're going to get "**** you, I got mine" in fancy dress.

[HoonDing]

Someone just took "no more free lunch" literally.

[Wrath of Dagon]

So we are cutting meals for the elderly and the free school lunch programs?

 

The school lunch program is quite possibly the most important thing that some schools are doing. I've worked at a number of tough schools, and the fact that these kids can get a warm meal and some time away from tragic situations at home is invaluable. I'm confident that in California the state will pick up the slack, but I imagine all the states who already rely heavily on federal dollars to get by will be in trouble.

Don't think they're eliminating the school lunch program. They're eliminating Community Block Development Grant ($3 billion total) to states which is used by states to fund some other social programs, like after school care in some districts. Edited March 17, 2017 by Wrath of Dagon

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

si vis pacem, para bellum

 

It's a good response, but it isn't an either or proposition. We can have diplomacy and military readiness.

 

Yes, but I'm sure the State Department can afford to cut back on champagne, lobster and caviar at their parties, the millions dollar tulip landscaping, and close the embassy in Upper ****landia. It's not that expensive to flap your lips. Meanwhile, Trump is already taking action: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/03/16/trump-puts-business-experience-in-pentagon.html

[Raithe]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know off hand how accurate this one is?

 

[Gfted1]

It doesnt pass the eyball test but I dont know if its legit. It looks like someone took: / .

[Raithe]

It doesnt pass the eyball test but I dont know if its legit. It looks like someone took: <total monies saved by axing these programs> / <number of people in the country>.

 

That makes some sense, it's awkward to try digging into my own countries tax and budget, let alone Americas.

[Volourn]

The Walmart thing? isn't that just the silly nonsense that Walmart pays employees 'little' so their employees go on welfare? That isn't 'corporate welfare'. Also, Welfare actually tends to pay its employees better than most businsses at that 'skill level'. Certainly better than most 'mom and pop' shops that charge outrageous prices, and don't pay their employees   a great wage or even give  benefits that match. ie. It is better to work at Walmart than some corner store (money and  benefits wise though you have to deal with a more corporate culture of course). FACT.

 

Unless the gvo't is actually giving money to Walmart directly which is uncool if it is true.

 

 

P.S. I notice that posts supports programs for women but not for men. Just another sexist piece of ****.

 

P.S.S. Earth is an evil 'mother' unless you think a mother that mass murders here children is a good mother. HAHAHAHAHA.

[Wrath of Dagon]

The guy above can donate to all those causes if he wants. Looks like $12 is just for climate change, which for some reason he broke into 3 pieces.

[pmp10]

The guy above can donate to all those causes if he wants. Looks like $12 is just for climate change, which for some reason he broke into 3 pieces.

Most likely research, efficiency and clean power plan.

Makes sense as technically they are separate programs.

[ShadySands]

Donna Brazile: Passing debate questions to Clinton camp 'a mistake I will forever regret'

 

Former interim Democratic National Committee chairperson Donna Brazile has for months been dodging questions about passing along questions to Hillary Clinton's staff in advance of a CNN debate -- but now, she's speaking out and calling the misstep "a mistake I will forever regret."

 

Emails from Clinton campaign Chair John Podesta's account were released in October by WikiLeaks showing that the then-CNN contributor had forwarded questions ahead of a March primary debate.

 

I thought I remembered her denying it at some point and not just dodging questions about it

[BruceVC]

Sorry guys but I feel I need to write this melancholic post 

 

One of my uncles came to visit my dad from the USA  and he reminded us of how his son and friend was killed in the Angola War, I remember the day like yesterday. He was a paratrooper and very well liked. His funeral was very packed with many people, many varsity people and army buddies

 

http://samvousa.org/operation-firewood-26-year-remembrance/

 

Then I remembered all the people I have known who died in the wars in Southern Africa against Communism, my family in Rhodesia use to mention how after Vietnam several hundred former Vietnam soldiers came to Rhodesia to continue the fight against Communism 

 

They were very proficient and experienced fighters, they actually helped refine the Rhodesian fireforce helicopter special attack strategy which they used in Vietnam. Check this out 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireforce

 

They were instrumental in this attack, imagine these numbers of casualties

 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dingo

 

Here is some information about the US soldiers 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crippled_Eagles

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_C._MacKenzie

[Barothmuk]

US [and Saudi Arabia] forces G20 to drop any mention of climate change' in joint statement