Theresa May, Brexit and the like

[ShadySands]

It's the Rifleman's Creed

[Zoraptor]

That was me. I'm pro gun but won't own one, don't need one (knock on wood). Was checking and found austrialia and U.K., around 1998 with the gun buy backs, sexual assult cases basically skyrocketed above murder rates.

 

Won't be related. Britain (and Australia, relative to somewhere like the US) had a low gun ownership rate anyway, and no/ limited open or concealed carry rules so there was little deterrence from legit guns anyway. Most of the people you'd expect to have them, eg farmers, still do have them.

 

Knife crime increase is more relevant but when it comes right down to it most people would prefer to be stabbed than shot, and you have a far better chance to outrun a knife than a bullet. Knives are just fundamentally more available than guns and always have been.

[Ben No.3]

 

 

Where is that form? WW?

Oh you young grasshopper

 

Full Metal Jacket, Bennie its one of the best Vietnam movies of all time, you must watch it

Never been into war movies

[redneckdevil]

 

 

That was me. I'm pro gun but won't own one, don't need one (knock on wood). Was checking and found austrialia and U.K., around 1998 with the gun buy backs, sexual assult cases basically skyrocketed above murder rates.

Won't be related. Britain (and Australia, relative to somewhere like the US) had a low gun ownership rate anyway, and no/ limited open or concealed carry rules so there was little deterrence from legit guns anyway. Most of the people you'd expect to have them, eg farmers, still do have them.

 

Knife crime increase is more relevant but when it comes right down to it most people would prefer to be stabbed than shot, and you have a far better chance to outrun a knife than a bullet. Knives are just fundamentally more available than guns and always have been.

Ahh gotcha, I could see that. Then what has caused the rise in violence then and why did it spike when guns become illegal?

[redneckdevil]

There are obviously more ways to kill than with a gun. But guns are amongst the most dangerous, wouldn't you agree

They are dangerous indeed, and obviously not the only way, but growing up in the 80s and having the demented mind I have, I'd say there are tons more dangerous and scarier ways to kill someone that a lot can easily be made using common items that cheap u can pick up at the store.

Guns are convient, that's what they boil down to imho. For murders, we wanna make people work for it and be creative

[Ben No.3]

 

There are obviously more ways to kill than with a gun. But guns are amongst the most dangerous, wouldn't you agree

They are dangerous indeed, and obviously not the only way, but growing up in the 80s and having the demented mind I have, I'd say there are tons more dangerous and scarier ways to kill someone that a lot can easily be made using common items that cheap u can pick up at the store.

Guns are convient, that's what they boil down to imho. For murders, we wanna make people work for it and be creative

That is planned murder though. In a panic situation, where someone overreacts (and might regret it), a bat or a knife are far less dangerous when overreacting than overreacting with a gun.

[Volourn]

" But guns are amongst the most dangerous, wouldn't you agree "

 

Nazis did solidw ork with ovens.

 

The US did good work with nukes.

 

All coutnries have a great use of all sorts of bombs.

 

Religion (this includes cultural and race wars) has killed  abunch.

 

So... yeah, guns are MAYBE #5 on the list.

[Ben No.3]

" But guns are amongst the most dangerous, wouldn't you agree "

 

Nazis did solidw ork with ovens.

 

The US did good work with nukes.

 

All coutnries have a great use of all sorts of bombs.

 

Religion (this includes cultural and race wars) has killed abunch.

 

So... yeah, guns are MAYBE #5 on the list.

Actually the Nazis did good with gas

 

A normal citizen usually does not posses nuclear missiles

 

Religion killes not, religious people do. And they do so usually using weapons, and thus we are back to guns.

[Volourn]

They wouldn't need guns to kill if not for their religion. On top of that, religious people were doing fine killing  people well before the first gun was invented.

[Ben No.3]

They wouldn't need guns to kill if not for their religion. On top of that, religious people were doing fine killing people well before the first gun was invented.

I agree with you completely. Only guns make killing easier than a knife for example.

[Oerwinde]

The Rwandans did ok with machetes.

[Zoraptor]

 

Ahh gotcha, I could see that. Then what has caused the rise in violence then and why did it spike when guns become illegal?

 

 

Coincidence, probably, aggregate rates just vary for no real reason sometimes. Some years just have higher crime or more traffic accidents or more twins born and there isn't really an underlying cause for it.

[redneckdevil]

 

 

Ahh gotcha, I could see that. Then what has caused the rise in violence then and why did it spike when guns become illegal?

 

Coincidence, probably, aggregate rates just vary for no real reason sometimes. Some years just have higher crime or more traffic accidents or more twins born and there isn't really an underlying cause for it.

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I can understand that, but that big of degree though in both Australia and U.K. the same years? Was their a polical movement people didn't agree with or something? Ours was the 90s then it's been dropping since, maybe they were just a decade behind us maybe. Still think it's strange that if reversed and guns were introduced and this happened, it's be blamed on the having the guns. A situation relating to guns that is about disarming the public and having a different effect seems a bit double standardish to me. If sexual assult had risen in an area that is low on officers like the U.K. and guns were introduced, that'd be the blame, but having banned it's credited to people's trust in a police system that's understaffed....

 

Ow wells, that's all I'll say. I'll concede that I maybe wrong, but I can't say that's it's not possible either. Could be the media trying to soften the situation and make it not as bad as it actually is. Dunno, American media has kinda left me jaded and mistrustful when double standards could easily come into play when it's not fitting the narrative.

[Ben No.3]

I'm not saying there are more or less sexual assaults directly because of guns, I'm oly saying there are less casualties. That's my whole point, and I've expressed it previously

And to be honest, I'd rather have lower casualties than a gun.

[Nonek]

That reminds me have to renew the shooting license, beating season is in mid swing, have to pop down the range and zero in my Winchester and Mannlicher.

[FlintlockJazz]

Yo, Brit here, not been on the forums for a while, so what's this about Brexit?

 

*Reads last few posts*

 

I'm guessing the thread has gone way off-topic.    Either that or I really have no idea what is going on in my own country any more (quite likely).

[BruceVC]

Yo, Brit here, not been on the forums for a while, so what's this about Brexit?

 

*Reads last few posts*

 

I'm guessing the thread has gone way off-topic.    Either that or I really have no idea what is going on in my own country any more (quite likely).

We all recovering from the disastrous Trump nomination  

[FlintlockJazz]

 

Yo, Brit here, not been on the forums for a while, so what's this about Brexit?

 

*Reads last few posts*

 

I'm guessing the thread has gone way off-topic.    Either that or I really have no idea what is going on in my own country any more (quite likely).

We all recovering from the disastrous Trump nomination  

 

Ha, yes!  I was just looking in the US election thread.  My FB lit up like a Christmas Tree with that.  Found it hilarious at first, thinking that everyone was kinda overreacting, but been getting more and more unnerved by the way even my friends on both sides of the election are starting to talk.  I'm more afraid of what I see as the polarisation of politics more than anything else, people are drifting to more and more extremes on both sides, and this isn't just with the elections or Brexit, but in general it seems.