US Election 2016

[Valsuelm]

Apparently, the NY primary is already a gigantic mess, with many precincts having their polling places' locations switched literally yesterday for no apparent reason, tens of thousands of registered voters being purged for no reason, closed polling places, broken voting machines, gigantic delays... Every time this sort of thing has happened, Clinton has won big. Is it corruption or incompetency, I wonder? Probably a bit of both.

 

Both for certain, with much of the corruption done under the guise of incompetence. 'Whoops! We didn't mean to do that!'.

 

Reports and evidence of rampant corruption in NYC elections is nothing new. Especially in Brooklyn, Harlem, and parts of the Bronx. It's been going on for decades. Almost every election there are calls to investigate, and the investigations either never happen or never go anywhere. I have little doubt the inevitable new calls for investigations into the corruption will also go nowhere.

 

The politicians from these areas also tend to be more blatantly corrupt than average Joe corrupt politician (ie: Mr Rangel). It's corruption that certainly almost always benefits the establishment democratic candidate, and it's possible that Hillary Clinton would never have won her initial term as NY Senator without that corruption, as these are the populated districts that somehow carry the blue to victory when often they lose almost everywhere else in the entire state.

Edited April 19, 2016 by Valsuelm

[Zoraptor]

At this point, is anyone surprised? Election fraud in the US- must be a Tuesday. The Colorado Republican débacle was probably worse but having closed primaries with an early registration deadline then finding there have been 'mysterious' changes in voter registration is at very best incompetence at the level where it's indistinguishable from actual corruption and might as well be deliberate.
 

Clinton is a tired candidate with too much history.  But versus Trump?  I don't see how he gets enough support.

Clinton has taken some hefty blows from a septuagenarian self declared socialist who is, basically, a nice guy running because nobody else wanted to and hasn't even been a Democrat for very long, had little support (and some active opposition from) the party hierarchy and had only scratch resources from a standing start a year ago. Whatever else, she's going to get utterly pummelled by whoever the Republican candidate is as they won't 'watch their tone or 'cut it out' for absolute certain- they will have tons of resources and the will to go for the jugular far more so than Bernie had.
 
I agree that she'll still most likely win- barring an actual FBI indictment or similar- but it isn't only a question of Trump/ Cruz getting enough support, it's also a question of Hillary getting enough support. Relying on people voting against the other candidate is intrinsically risky because they may decide you're as bad an alternative and just not vote.
 

Granted, Trump's entire campaign has defied political logic.  It's been a bizarre election.

I'd say the exact opposite- Trump is the logical end point of the Republican trajectory over the past decades. He's just applied a lot of the anger and rejectionism back at the Republican establishment instead of where it was meant to be aimed, at every other establishment. He's Tea Party with a more broadly and overtly populist base.

[Namutree]

 

 

Trump will absolutely crush Clinton in November. Bernie would have had a much better chance vs. Trump than Clinton will.

Bernie would have decimated Trump.

Yes, but it looks like Bernie is going to lose the primary barring a miracle. Hillary will maybe win, but I can see her losing to Trump if a lot of Bernie supporters don't vote for her which isn't an unlikely scenario. Hopefully though there's some convention **** that results in Kasich or Rubio or Ryan grabbing the nomination that drives Trump supporters out and fatally wounds both parties.

 

So, if it's gonna be Trump vs. Hillary, who are you gonna vote for; if you'd be voting for either. If you won't vote for either let's imagine you'd have absolutely no choice and by not choosing either Hillary auto gets your vote; who would you vote for then? Personally, I'll be going Trump. I don't like really Trump, but IMO he's 1000x times better than Hillary.

Edited April 19, 2016 by Namutree

[Bartimaeus]

I'll assume I can answer the question, too: I don't know. I dislike and distrust Hillary and the democratic party in general so, so much...but Trump seems like a literal whackjob, even though I don't personally dislike him quite as much as Hillary (I do dislike the republican party in general just as much as the democratic, though). It's a tough call.

[ShadySands]

I wonder what numbers the Green and Libertarian parties will pull this year

[Valsuelm]

I wonder what numbers the Green and Libertarian parties will pull this year

Gary Johnson is meh and sadly the defacto nominee, which shows to a degree how flaccid the Libertarian party is. And without Nader the Green party is less than flaccid. Even though there's probably more people who ideologically align with both parties now than there were in recent past elections, I expect them to pull fewer numbers than in recent past elections. Their candidates basically just suck.

Edited April 19, 2016 by Valsuelm

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

 

Trump will absolutely crush Clinton in November. Bernie would have had a much better chance vs. Trump than Clinton will.

 

Bernie would have decimated Trump.

Yes, but it looks like Bernie is going to lose the primary barring a miracle. Hillary will maybe win, but I can see her losing to Trump if a lot of Bernie supporters don't vote for her which isn't an unlikely scenario. Hopefully though there's some convention **** that results in Kasich or Rubio or Ryan grabbing the nomination that drives Trump supporters out and fatally wounds both parties.

So, if it's gonna be Trump vs. Hillary, who are you gonna vote for; if you'd be voting for either. If you won't vote for either let's imagine you'd have absolutely no choice and by not choosing either Hillary auto gets your vote; who would you vote for then? Personally, I'll be going Trump. I don't like really Trump, but IMO he's 1000x times better than Hillary.

Under those circumstances I'd vote Trump to be honest, although I'll likely vote for someone else or stay home.

[Guard Dog]

I wonder what numbers the Green and Libertarian parties will pull this year

Well the latter is getting my vote so that one. 

[Guard Dog]

 

I wonder what numbers the Green and Libertarian parties will pull this year

Gary Johnson is meh and sadly the defacto nominee, which shows to a degree how flaccid the actually Libertarian party is. And without Nader the Green party is less than flaccid. Even though there's probably more people who ideologically align with both parties now than there were in recent past elections, I expect them to pull fewer numbers than in recent past elections. Their candidates basically just suck.

 

You know the sad thing is in an era where one party thinks it's perfectly ok to use the military to kill people in other countries with no declaration of war and the other thinks is perfectly ok to use it to kill americans with no due process there is a real opportunity for the party of "mind you own business and leave everyone alone" to get some traction. But they just can't seem to do it. 

[Valsuelm]

 

 

 

Trump will absolutely crush Clinton in November. Bernie would have had a much better chance vs. Trump than Clinton will.

Bernie would have decimated Trump.

 

Yes, but it looks like Bernie is going to lose the primary barring a miracle. Hillary will maybe win, but I can see her losing to Trump if a lot of Bernie supporters don't vote for her which isn't an unlikely scenario. Hopefully though there's some convention **** that results in Kasich or Rubio or Ryan grabbing the nomination that drives Trump supporters out and fatally wounds both parties.

 

So, if it's gonna be Trump vs. Hillary, who are you gonna vote for; if you'd be voting for either. If you won't vote for either let's imagine you'd have absolutely no choice and by not choosing either Hillary auto gets your vote; who would you vote for then? Personally, I'll be going Trump. I don't like really Trump, but IMO he's 1000x times better than Hillary.

 

Your post inspired me to make a poll, Namu.

 

Come one, come all, choose the form of the destructor!

Edited April 19, 2016 by Valsuelm

[Valsuelm]

[Longknife]

I BE REFRESHIN' GOOGLE FOR DEM RESULTS ALL LIKE:

 

[Bartimaeus]

rip

[Longknife]

rip

 

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Edited April 20, 2016 by Gorth
Sorry LK, no uncensored profanity on display...

[Wrath of Dagon]

As of now, I'd say Cruz is the more likely nominee over Trump. If Trump can't get the majority and win on the first ballot, Cruz has succeeded in placing his double-agents as Trump delegates, giving him a clear path to victory on later ballots.

[ktchong]

[BruceVC]

Very happy with the Democratic results in NY 

 

Well done Hilary Clinton and her campaign, I have been waiting for the Sanders movement   to end its winning streak around the actual votes, not delegates 

[ShadySands]

something something soulless minions of orthodoxy something something

[BruceVC]

something something soulless minions of orthodoxy something something

Is that a young Putin?

[ShadySands]

No, it's a guy from DS9

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Elias_Giger

[BruceVC]

No, it's a guy from DS9

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Elias_Giger

Oh, my bad

[Guard Dog]

 

No, it's a guy from DS9

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Elias_Giger

Oh, my bad

 

Looks like someone needs their geek membership revoked! If it were some obscure, crappy show like one of the stargates you get a pass. But dammit Star Trek, especially DS9, references are supposed to be picked up. It is a prerequisite to remain a member in good standing here!

[Elerond]

Very happy with the Democratic results in NY 

 

Well done Hilary Clinton and her campaign, I have been waiting for the Sanders movement   to end its winning streak around the actual votes, not delegates 

 

Results weren't that good for Clinton actually, as New York is her home state, but at end of the day it don't matter because it has been clear for sometime that Sanders can't win the nomination except in most strangest circumstances. 

[Meshugger]

If Sanders wins 80% of the vote in California, then things might get funny.

[BruceVC]

 

Very happy with the Democratic results in NY 

 

Well done Hilary Clinton and her campaign, I have been waiting for the Sanders movement   to end its winning streak around the actual votes, not delegates 

 

Results weren't that good for Clinton actually, as New York is her home state, but at end of the day it don't matter because it has been clear for sometime that Sanders can't win the nomination except in most strangest circumstances. 

 

Nah, its a good victory for Clinton. The correct word to describe it  is resounding ...it may not seem like a big lead she won over Sanders but in political terms its considered good ?

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/19/new_york_primary_results_clinton_sanders_trump_who_won.html