The Rape of Europe

[BruceVC]

Apparently there has now been two nights of right-wing groups vandalizing Kebab-shops and beating up random brown people in Leipzig. The pushback is starting and the spiral deepens; of course the political elite is completely flabbergasted. 

Links ?

 

Isn't Leipzig considered a right wing hotbed in Germany?

[Drowsy Emperor]

And just a few days ago the Mein Kampf was printed for the first time in Germany since its banning. Talk about pro-active business decisions loloolololo

[Amentep]

I am of the opinion that the "Ignore function", blocking or similar either perpetuates this hugbox, inclusively enclosed spaces-mentality that we already see in western campuses, or that it is just a manifestation of it.

 

Maybe that is what has happened with the media in Germany as well. The actions in Cologne happened on New Years Eve, but was first covered up, then ignored for a week and then finally admitted. Hmmm..., maybe there's a thesis or a study about this somewhere....

I see the ignore function as equivilent to the real world ability to walk away from Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park.  Sometimes its best just not to engage eye contact.

[Darkpriest]

And just a few days ago the Mein Kampf was printed for the first time in Germany since its banning. Talk about pro-active business decisions loloolololo

At this rate we might have a unique anniversary in 23 years. Just enough for current wave of immigrants to bring another generation to adulthood.

[Drowsy Emperor]

"Basic human rights of refugees" is a relative thing. When Serbian refugees were pouring in from the ethnic cleansing in Croatia, no one in Europe shed a tear for them. Certainly no tents and baked goods lying in wait at the railway stations. If they could get in those countries in the first place). And they couldn't because while they could apply for asylum and such, in practice they weren't going to get it.

 

Maybe Victoria Nuland turns out to be the right after all.

 

While the Germans are rehearsing Kristallnacht Leipzig in barbaric Serbia: 

 

https://www.facebook.com/sernemanja/videos/10208335648809593/

Edited January 13, 2016 by Drowsy Emperor

[Barothmuk]

Okay thats interesting but then why would the government be supporting it if  the  majority citizens are opposed to it?

Lol.

 

 

To be fair though, that's not what I said.

 

[Meshugger]

 

Apparently there has now been two nights of right-wing groups vandalizing Kebab-shops and beating up random brown people in Leipzig. The pushback is starting and the spiral deepens; of course the political elite is completely flabbergasted. 

Links ?

 

Isn't Leipzig considered a right wing hotbed in Germany?

 

 

https://archive.is/fw65Q

https://archive.is/YExUK

 

It's their own Morlocks, yes.

 

A police officer shares his stories: (run google translate you lazy bastards!)

http://www.oe24.at/welt/Wir-duerfen-Fluechtlinge-nicht-einmal-festhalten/219471096

[BruceVC]

"Basic human rights of refugees" is a relative thing. When Serbian refugees were pouring in from the ethnic cleansing in Croatia, no one in Europe shed a tear for them. Certainly no tents and baked goods lying in wait at the railway stations. If they could get in those countries in the first place). And they couldn't because while they could apply for asylum and such, in practice they weren't going to get it.

 

Maybe Victoria Nuland turns out to be the right after all.

Drowsy despite what you may think about what motivates me I don't think Serbia or Serbs are criminals or are the only guilty party in the whole Bosnia and Kosvo conflict. Until Sarex said one day that he thinks most of the world has a negative view of Serbs I never had any negative  view of Serbia and I still don't. I don't understand the history of the whole Yugoslavia animosity and I still dont understand why it appears the various ex-Yugoslav countries resent each other You should know that what white people did, and I am a part of that indirectly, in South African during Apartheid was much worse than any perceived human rights abuses Serbia may or may not have committed so I am not trying to embarrass you and I definitely dont think I am better than you so sorry for any misunderstandings about this  

 

But I don't want to fight with you about this, I just want to ask you one question. You said you are 28 so how would you have remembered details about the war in 1992 if you were 5? The reason I raise this is dont you think its possible what people told you about the conflict may not be necessarily true or perhaps a little biased?

[BruceVC]

 

 

Apparently there has now been two nights of right-wing groups vandalizing Kebab-shops and beating up random brown people in Leipzig. The pushback is starting and the spiral deepens; of course the political elite is completely flabbergasted. 

Links ?

 

Isn't Leipzig considered a right wing hotbed in Germany?

 

 

https://archive.is/fw65Q

https://archive.is/YExUK

 

It's their own Morlocks, yes.

 

A police officer shares his stories: (run google translate you lazy bastards!)

http://www.oe24.at/welt/Wir-duerfen-Fluechtlinge-nicht-einmal-festhalten/219471096

 

Okay I am  not an expert on German social culture but I doubt this represents a rejection of the overall refugee integration?

 

I know Germany has always had a element of skinheard\neo-Nazi and to be honest  I am very surprised it took them this long to riot...I would have expected this type of reaction from the beginning?

[Chilloutman]

I think that Germany is little scared of looking bad in eyes of rest of world, little schizma after WW2, thats why east europe have more sceptical view on it, not sure what is going in France tho

[Darkpriest]

I think that Germany is little scared of looking bad in eyes of rest of world, little schizma after WW2, thats why east europe have more sceptical view on it, not sure what is going in France tho

 

you need to remember that French tanks historically have only reverse gear, so there is that.

[Drowsy Emperor]

 

"Basic human rights of refugees" is a relative thing. When Serbian refugees were pouring in from the ethnic cleansing in Croatia, no one in Europe shed a tear for them. Certainly no tents and baked goods lying in wait at the railway stations. If they could get in those countries in the first place). And they couldn't because while they could apply for asylum and such, in practice they weren't going to get it.

 

Maybe Victoria Nuland turns out to be the right after all.

Drowsy despite what you may think about what motivates me I don't think Serbia or Serbs are criminals or are the only guilty party in the whole Bosnia and Kosvo conflict. Until Sarex said one day that he thinks most of the world has a negative view of Serbs I never had any negative  view of Serbia and I still don't. I don't understand the history of the whole Yugoslavia animosity and I still dont understand why it appears the various ex-Yugoslav countries resent each other You should know that what white people did, and I am a part of that indirectly, in South African during Apartheid was much worse than any perceived human rights abuses Serbia may or may not have committed so I am not trying to embarrass you and I definitely dont think I am better than you so sorry for any misunderstandings about this  

 

But I don't want to fight with you about this, I just want to ask you one question. You said you are 28 so how would you have remembered details about the war in 1992 if you were 5? The reason I raise this is dont you think its possible what people told you about the conflict may not be necessarily true or perhaps a little biased?

 

 

Naturally I don't remember much of it. But since it colored everything that happened so many years later its inevitable that one learns about it. Besides, I have an interest in history and politics so I read up on it.  People can be biased either way, I don't really put much stock in anecdotal evidence.

 

But saying that there was an ethnic cleansing in Croatia in not anecdotal. That's not based on hearsay, just on the fact that 150 to 200 thousand people were displaced by force (or fled fearing death). Those people were later registered in Serbia and, naturally, records of the places where they were born and lived (Croatia) exist. Those are the sort of indisputable facts that are worth using in a discussion. 

 

As for the refugees, many did emigrate across Europe, if they had a way to get past the administrative hoops, but there was nothing like the current media and political support for them - just like there wasn't much mention of the Ukrainian refugees recently (which are quite numerous). 

[BruceVC]

 

 

"Basic human rights of refugees" is a relative thing. When Serbian refugees were pouring in from the ethnic cleansing in Croatia, no one in Europe shed a tear for them. Certainly no tents and baked goods lying in wait at the railway stations. If they could get in those countries in the first place). And they couldn't because while they could apply for asylum and such, in practice they weren't going to get it.

 

Maybe Victoria Nuland turns out to be the right after all.

Drowsy despite what you may think about what motivates me I don't think Serbia or Serbs are criminals or are the only guilty party in the whole Bosnia and Kosvo conflict. Until Sarex said one day that he thinks most of the world has a negative view of Serbs I never had any negative  view of Serbia and I still don't. I don't understand the history of the whole Yugoslavia animosity and I still dont understand why it appears the various ex-Yugoslav countries resent each other You should know that what white people did, and I am a part of that indirectly, in South African during Apartheid was much worse than any perceived human rights abuses Serbia may or may not have committed so I am not trying to embarrass you and I definitely dont think I am better than you so sorry for any misunderstandings about this  

 

But I don't want to fight with you about this, I just want to ask you one question. You said you are 28 so how would you have remembered details about the war in 1992 if you were 5? The reason I raise this is dont you think its possible what people told you about the conflict may not be necessarily true or perhaps a little biased?

 

 

Naturally I don't remember much of it. But since it colored everything that happened so many years later its inevitable that one learns about it. Besides, I have an interest in history and politics so I read up on it.  People can be biased either way, I don't really put much stock in anecdotal evidence.

 

But saying that there was an ethnic cleansing in Croatia in not anecdotal. That's not based on hearsay, just on the fact that 150 to 200 thousand people were displaced by force (or fled fearing death). Those people were later registered in Serbia and, naturally, records of the places where they were born and lived (Croatia) exist. Those are the sort of indisputable facts that are worth using in a discussion. 

 

As for the refugees, many did emigrate across Europe, if they had a way to get past the administrative hoops, but there was nothing like the current media and political support for them - just like there wasn't much mention of the Ukrainian refugees recently (which are quite numerous). 

 

Okay well I'm glad we had this chat because when you and Sarex both felt I was trolling you guys of course it bothered me  because all I really was trying to say was " its okay to admit we have had histories around our countries " 

 

And yet I clearly never made  my point in that way....and you have to understand for me I see what Apartheid has done and how as a white person I am basically unaffected. But my intention was never to sound like I was judging your country, I respect the fact you are proud of Serbia. I think its important to be patriotic and we may disagree on topics like NATO and the West but thats not a personal attack on you. End of day you and I have more in common than you realize...I want an EU that incorporates Serbia and is an example of economic success and political stability and is on very good terms with Russia which will always be its own empire, I just feel Serbia should align with the EU

 

You see the real potential enemy to my vision is not USA\Russian tension or Capitalism its groups like ISIS which really would happily destroy everything ...and I mean that...that we consider sacred. You cannot reason or negotiate with that type of extremism. It really seems silly for us to debate over Ukraine when we have much more pressing concerns  

[Meshugger]

Oops, messed up.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Meshugger

[Orogun01]

I think that Germany is little scared of looking bad in eyes of rest of world, little schizma after WW2, thats why east europe have more sceptical view on it, not sure what is going in France tho

The conspiracy theorist in me knows that what goes on in France and England is related to the Jews...but in reality it may have to be with their culture and the focus on White guilt since it seems that it mostly prevalent in countries that have had colonies in the past. Of course this only happens on Western countries since everyone else still lives on the real world with the real issues and don't have to look that far back for stuff to deal with.

[bigcrazewolf]

 

I think that Germany is little scared of looking bad in eyes of rest of world, little schizma after WW2, thats why east europe have more sceptical view on it, not sure what is going in France tho

The conspiracy theorist in me knows that what goes on in France and England is related to the Jews...but in reality it may have to be with their culture and the focus on White guilt since it seems that it mostly prevalent in countries that have had colonies in the past. Of course this only happens on Western countries since everyone else still lives on the real world with the real issues and don't have to look that far back for stuff to deal with.

 

Related to the Jews . . . you can't be serious. This has nothing to do with them on any level.

[Orogun01]

 

 

I think that Germany is little scared of looking bad in eyes of rest of world, little schizma after WW2, thats why east europe have more sceptical view on it, not sure what is going in France tho

The conspiracy theorist in me knows that what goes on in France and England is related to the Jews...but in reality it may have to be with their culture and the focus on White guilt since it seems that it mostly prevalent in countries that have had colonies in the past. Of course this only happens on Western countries since everyone else still lives on the real world with the real issues and don't have to look that far back for stuff to deal with.

 

Related to the Jews . . . you can't be serious. This has nothing to do with them on any level.

 

Don't know, but the push for multiculturalism does seem to have strong ties to Jewish lead organizations and media groups. Whether this is merely because they are reactive to trends or because they're actively pushing towards is a point of contention. Although there have been some statements made by marginal groups and individuals with extreme personalities which don't amount to much evidence its enough for some people to build their theories. After all, when have conspiracy theorists needed much evidence. 

[bigcrazewolf]

 

 

 

I think that Germany is little scared of looking bad in eyes of rest of world, little schizma after WW2, thats why east europe have more sceptical view on it, not sure what is going in France tho

The conspiracy theorist in me knows that what goes on in France and England is related to the Jews...but in reality it may have to be with their culture and the focus on White guilt since it seems that it mostly prevalent in countries that have had colonies in the past. Of course this only happens on Western countries since everyone else still lives on the real world with the real issues and don't have to look that far back for stuff to deal with.

 

Related to the Jews . . . you can't be serious. This has nothing to do with them on any level.

 

Snip

 After all, when have conspiracy theorists needed much evidence. 

 

lol. This!

[licketysplit]

What I find utterly insane is my nutty, conservative grandparents predicted this ****. It was new world order conspiracy theories and the liberal media covering it all up. And yet here we are. On both sides of the pond, the media looked the other way.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Gorth
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[Meshugger]

 

 

 

I think that Germany is little scared of looking bad in eyes of rest of world, little schizma after WW2, thats why east europe have more sceptical view on it, not sure what is going in France tho

The conspiracy theorist in me knows that what goes on in France and England is related to the Jews...but in reality it may have to be with their culture and the focus on White guilt since it seems that it mostly prevalent in countries that have had colonies in the past. Of course this only happens on Western countries since everyone else still lives on the real world with the real issues and don't have to look that far back for stuff to deal with.

 

Related to the Jews . . . you can't be serious. This has nothing to do with them on any level.

 

Don't know, but the push for multiculturalism does seem to have strong ties to Jewish lead organizations and media groups...The conspiracy theorist in me knows that what goes on in France and England is related to the Jews...but in reality it may have to be with their culture

 

??

 

Please humor us, i have been loving conspiracy theories ever since i saw X-Files back in the day.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Meshugger

[Meshugger]

A three year old (3!) has been reported to have been raped by mulitple people at an asylum center in Stavanger, Norway.

 

http://www.aftenbladet.no/nyheter/lokalt/stavanger/Politiet-etterforsker-mulig-overgrep-mot-barn-pa-asylmottak-3847287.html

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/13/three-year-old-boy-gang-raped-at-norway-asylum-centre/

 

o_0

[Chilloutman]

new boom boom in Jakarta, next stop Malaysia?

[Meshugger]

Charlie Hebdo pulls no punches: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3398248/Fury-Charlie-Hebdo-cartoon-suggesting-Aylan-Kurdi-drowned-migrant-boy-body-Turkish-beach-grown-Cologne-sex-attacker.html#ixzz3xCh9unCN

[Barothmuk]

Charlie Hebdo pulls no punches: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3398248/Fury-Charlie-Hebdo-cartoon-suggesting-Aylan-Kurdi-drowned-migrant-boy-body-Turkish-beach-grown-Cologne-sex-attacker.html#ixzz3xCh9unCN

That's pretty damn tacky. Edited January 14, 2016 by Barothmuk

[Hiro Protagonist]

Was the use of the dead boy in things like the below link tacky?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/aylan-kurdis-death-recreated-30-6415214

 

If you are outraged by this cartoon, then equally you should have been outraged by the used of a dead boy as propaganda. Many lives could have been saved had people not been encouraged to risk themselves on rickety boats. Especially when they were already safe in Turkey.

 

People who are outraged by this cartoon are missing the point. And there's a lot of questions the cartoon asks.