Kentucky County Clerk still Refuses to issue Gay Marriage License

[213374U]

I already explained the judge has no authority to do any of that. It would take the Kentucky legislature or a local prosecutor, all of whom are themselves elected and thus are likely to be sympathetic to the clerk. What the judge did it simply the same thing he would've done with anyone disobeying a court order.

 

In fact, the motion to file charges of official misconduct has been taken by taken up with the KY General Attorney by Rowan County's Attorney's Office. A prosecutor from another jurisdiction will be appointed to handle the case. So yeah, sympathy will only get her so far.

 

Regardless, your point leads us back to the root of the problem: a new law passed outside of KY by "a committee of nine unelected lawyers" (Scalia's words, not mine) and the expectation that local officials will all quietly acquiesce, even when it just so happens that they and the electorate they represent are largely against said law. Ah, beautiful, beautiful tyranny of the majority.

[Raithe]

[Guard Dog]

All the answers to all the social dilemmas facing our society can be found somewhere in one of the Star Trek shows!

[Calax]

Apparently Huckabee has (in relation to this case) stated that the Dred Scott case is still the law of the land. Only seen it reported by the journalistic ROCK of Buzzfeed... which seems awkward.

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/huckabee-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of#.ker1z8W27

 

The actual soundbyte is down near the bottom.

[Rosbjerg]

All the answers to all the social dilemmas facing our society can be found somewhere in one of the Star Trek shows!

 

Of course in a Westphalian sort of way. To each their own, on a grand scale.

[Leferd]

Apparently Huckabee has (in relation to this case) stated that the Dred Scott case is still the law of the land. Only seen it reported by the journalistic ROCK of Buzzfeed... which seems awkward.

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/huckabee-dred-scott-decision-remains-to-this-day-the-law-of#.ker1z8W27

 

The actual soundbyte is down near the bottom.

Right. Comparing this situation to the single worst judicial ruling in the history of the country and then thinking it's still the law?

[Guard Dog]

And Huckster wonder why he fails to advance beyond the primaries when he runs for President. Which he does all the time.

[213374U]

All the answers to all the social dilemmas facing our society can be found somewhere in one of the Star Trek shows!

 

You do realize that Star Trek is a thinly veiled allegory for socialism, right?

[Guard Dog]

 

All the answers to all the social dilemmas facing our society can be found somewhere in one of the Star Trek shows!

 

You do realize that Star Trek is a thinly veiled allegory for socialism, right?

 

Veiled? I always thought they were pretty upfront about it.   

 

But I was just trying to be funny.

[213374U]

Ooops, I took it a bit literally. I owe you hereby 1000 internets.

Edited September 11, 2015 by 213374U

[Guard Dog]

It's hard to infer tone from a test post! That's why sarcasm doesn't work well in places like this.

[BruceVC]

It's hard to infer tone from a test post! That's why sarcasm doesn't work well in places like this.

Oh yes I am well aware of how people generally on forums cannot discern humor...you have no idea how many times I have tried to joke with someone and they took offense as they thought I was being serious

 

I always try make the point that I am not  a malicious person by nature....so if I say anything that sounds malicious then its  a joke...yes I am sometimes condescending but I am working on that 

[Guard Dog]

yes I am sometimes condescending but I am working on that 

 

Well you can hardly be blamed for that. Being a SJW means starting from a position of truly believing their thinking is more "right", their way is better than everyone else's. And if they could just MAKE everyone see things their way it would fix the world. It would be difficult for them NOT to be condescending when they start by presuming themselves better than everyone else on the merits of their ideals.

 

Actually SJWs and religious zealots have a lot in common on that count it would seem. Two sides of the same coin maybe?

[Blarghagh]

Horseshoe theory and all that.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Being a SJW on the Internet means starting from a position of truly believing their thinking is more "right", their way is better than everyone else's.

 

 

Fixed a typo.

[BruceVC]

 

yes I am sometimes condescending but I am working on that 

 

Well you can hardly be blamed for that. Being a SJW means starting from a position of truly believing their thinking is more "right", their way is better than everyone else's. And if they could just MAKE everyone see things their way it would fix the world. It would be difficult for them NOT to be condescending when they start by presuming themselves better than everyone else on the merits of their ideals.

 

Actually SJWs and religious zealots have a lot in common on that count it would seem. Two sides of the same coin maybe?

 

No my friend you have to update your knowledge of the behavior and views of the SJW movement

 

We never use words like "  thinking is more "right", their way is better than everyone else's "...thats an unfair characterization and a little inaccurate

 

We prefer to " help people make the right decision " and " remove the worry and stress from  people having to make certain choices around economic and political policy  by making the choices for them " 

 

So please don't see SJW influence in bad way ...its really something that will benefit society 

[Guard Dog]

 

 

yes I am sometimes condescending but I am working on that 

 

Well you can hardly be blamed for that. Being a SJW means starting from a position of truly believing their thinking is more "right", their way is better than everyone else's. And if they could just MAKE everyone see things their way it would fix the world. It would be difficult for them NOT to be condescending when they start by presuming themselves better than everyone else on the merits of their ideals.

 

Actually SJWs and religious zealots have a lot in common on that count it would seem. Two sides of the same coin maybe?

 

No my friend you have to update your knowledge of the behavior and views of the SJW movement

 

We never use words like "  thinking is more "right", their way is better than everyone else's "...thats an unfair characterization and a little inaccurate

 

We prefer to " help people make the right decision " and " remove the worry and stress from  people having to make certain choices around economic and political policy  by making the choices for them " 

 

So please don't see SJW influence in bad way ...its really something that will benefit society 

 

  Ah I see. A distinction without a difference! Either way it is all about "correcting" those deemed incorrect. With persuasion when possible. At gunpoint when that fails.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

  Ah I see. A distinction without a difference! Either way it is all about "correcting" those deemed incorrect. With persuasion when possible. At gunpoint when that fails.

 

 

To be fair, well-reasoned arguments rarely change minds.

 

Not that I'm clamoring for the alternative, mind. I mean, if you think your way is objectively superior, it kind of logically follows that sooner or later, people will accept it on their own. Path of least resistance and all that.

Edited September 13, 2015 by aluminiumtrioxid

[Guard Dog]

I have posted this before on this thread and elsewhere. The worst evil this world has ever known begins when one group of people believes they know better how another group of people should be living. Or when one group presumes itself or a different group to be better or have more worth than another. Don't ever forget, the people who were rounding up Jews and herding them into gas chambers believed they were doing the "right" thing.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

I have posted this before on this thread and elsewhere. The worst evil this world has ever known begins when one group of people believes they know better how another group of people should be living. Or when one group presumes itself or a different group to be better or have more worth than another. Don't ever forget, the people who were rounding up Jews and herding them into gas chambers believed they were doing the "right" thing.

 

Well that analogy kind of breaks down when the core philosophy of the group in question is "actually, society absolutely does not treat these disadvantaged groups as if they're of equal worth to the rest of them, maybe we should do something about that".

Edited September 13, 2015 by aluminiumtrioxid

[BruceVC]

 

I have posted this before on this thread and elsewhere. The worst evil this world has ever known begins when one group of people believes they know better how another group of people should be living. Or when one group presumes itself or a different group to be better or have more worth than another. Don't ever forget, the people who were rounding up Jews and herding them into gas chambers believed they were doing the "right" thing.

 

Well that analogy kind of breaks down when the core philosophy of the group in question is "actually, society absolutely does not treat these disadvantaged groups as if they're of equal worth to the rest of them, maybe we should do something about that".

 

I have to say this is one of the best, convincing  and most valid reasons I have ever heard for  reasonable support of SJ movements 

 

In its foundation the intention of SJ groups is to help integrate and improve the lives of various minority groups....its not about control of peoples views, I was obviously joking earlier

 

So  I am baffled by this resentment and mockery we see sometimes. Guys this is ultimately about a fairer and more equitable society for all ...lets try be supportive 

[Raithe]

 

I have posted this before on this thread and elsewhere. The worst evil this world has ever known begins when one group of people believes they know better how another group of people should be living. Or when one group presumes itself or a different group to be better or have more worth than another. Don't ever forget, the people who were rounding up Jews and herding them into gas chambers believed they were doing the "right" thing.

 

Well that analogy kind of breaks down when the core philosophy of the group in question is "actually, society absolutely does not treat these disadvantaged groups as if they're of equal worth to the rest of them, maybe we should do something about that".

 

 

The trouble is, half the time it seems that what they then proceed to do is rather than ensure that the disadvantaged groups are treated better per se, what they seem to set out to do is actually cripple or at least handicap the groups they don't consider to be disadvantaged.

 

At times it can come across in the vein of "Oh, look, you have a very smart child, so rather than teach him to his fullest extent, we'll teach him the basics, and then spend all our time on the kids who we consider to be not smart."  There comes a point where being anti-elitist crosses into anti-elite (slightly different things) and you then cripple everybody to the "slowest" person because that's "fair", rather than focus on trying to get everybody to their maximum potential.

[Malcador]

 

 

 

 

I have posted this before on this thread and elsewhere. The worst evil this world has ever known begins when one group of people believes they know better how another group of people should be living. Or when one group presumes itself or a different group to be better or have more worth than another. Don't ever forget, the people who were rounding up Jews and herding them into gas chambers believed they were doing the "right" thing.

Well that analogy kind of breaks down when the core philosophy of the group in question is "actually, society absolutely does not treat these disadvantaged groups as if they're of equal worth to the rest of them, maybe we should do something about that".

I have to say this is one of the best, convincing and most valid reasons I have ever heard for reasonable support of SJ movements

 

In its foundation the intention of SJ groups is to help integrate and improve the lives of various minority groups....its not about control of peoples views, I was obviously joking earlier

 

So I am baffled by this resentment and mockery we see sometimes. Guys this is ultimately about a fairer and more equitable society for all ...lets try be supportive

Or at least fairer and equitable according to some people, naturally everyone thinks they are right. As for controlling views, heh, in practice that seems to be a toss up.

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

The trouble is, half the time it seems that what they then proceed to do is rather than ensure that the disadvantaged groups are treated better per se, what they seem to set out to do is actually cripple or at least handicap the groups they don't consider to be disadvantaged.

 

At times it can come across in the vein of "Oh, look, you have a very smart child, so rather than teach him to his fullest extent, we'll teach him the basics, and then spend all our time on the kids who we consider to be not smart." 

 

 

I don't know, most of the time when I encounter this complaint, it's usually based on very uncharitable readings and taking things out of context at best, and outright twisting the message at worst.

 

Outright dismissing your point wouldn't be conducive to the discussion, but I really could use some examples to see what you're thinking of.

Edited September 13, 2015 by aluminiumtrioxid

[213374U]

I don't know, most of the time when I encounter this complaint, it's usually based on very uncharitable readings and taking things out of context at best, and outright twisting the message at worst.

 

Outright dismissing your point wouldn't be conducive to the discussion, but I really could use some examples to see what you're thinking of.

 

Public schools for instance pretty much work as Raithe described: they simply cannot handle gifted children, and more resources will usually be devoted to help kids that tend to fall behind the curve, if at all. However that's not necessarily a SJ thing, but rather the consequence of inadequate budgetary allocation, and the incorrect assumption that gifted kids will succeed on their own, by virtue of being endowed with greater potential. Is helping some better than helping none, considering that by doing so we are committing an injustice? I honestly don't know.

 

Problem is that any measures to help out people who, for whatever reasons, objectively need help, are dismissed as "crippling the elite", "sharing misery equally" and many other anti-SJ mantras that used to be chanted to ward off pinkos not so long ago, though that may not have been Raithe's intent (he did say "half the time", to his credit). In its most extreme form, that sort of strawmanning involves taking the worst from the feminazi crowd, throwing in a bit of racial positive action for seasoning, calling it the "social justice" movement, and suggesting that anything aimed at correcting injustice* is wrong or dangerous by association. It rather pisses me off, but the mental knee-jerk reflex caused by labels that affects most people in both camps isn't going away anytime soon, I think.

 

That said, I tend to agree with GD regarding social engineering, but mostly because those tasked with directing and implementing it tend to be morally and intellectually corrupt, self-serving ****s. Power corrupts, the hubris of leadership, what kind of person wants to rule over his peers and all that. And yeah, the holier-than-thou attitude doesn't help one bit either.

 

And that's enough armchair philosophy for one post. Whew!

 

 

*I think we can all agree that injustice is not cool? You guys wanna start calling yourselves Social Injustice Warriors?