BruceVC Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think the Supreme Court made a mistake, there has to be consequences for that kind of threatening behavior. As the women in the video said this is a blow to the rights of abused women who now could face similar vitriol and worry about being able to legally challenge it Shocking. Probably do need consequences, but I think the court was saying you need more evidence than just someone saying it is threatening. Throwing people in jail is serious business, right. As I understand it, the guy was convicted under the test that recognizing the words as a threat was something a "reasonable" person would do. But that as a test could remove the words from any potential context they might have. Context is always important. "I kill you? I kill everyone!" might be a threat...but probably isn't if it was proceeded by something like "Man, you're hilarious - you kill me!" In this case - and again as I understand it - the guy clearly marked on his posts in ways that would provide different context for what he wrote (some sort of Free Speech disclaimer). So what I gather reading about this decision isn't that you can post anything online without consequence, but the words themselves are not enough to convict - you have to provide intent. But how do you prove intent if they are just seen as words...surly words can prove intention? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Police have detectives for a reason, I guess. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Police have detectives for a reason, I guess. Yes but how is even a detective going to prove intent if its just words? Surly you need actions or how would you prove anything? Edited June 2, 2015 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Did he have a stockpile of weapons? Did he draw up plans for an attack? Was there a legitimate motive? That is the type of stuff detectives are supposed to find in order to actually prosecute someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think the Supreme Court made a mistake, there has to be consequences for that kind of threatening behavior. As the women in the video said this is a blow to the rights of abused women who now could face similar vitriol and worry about being able to legally challenge it Shocking. Probably do need consequences, but I think the court was saying you need more evidence than just someone saying it is threatening. Throwing people in jail is serious business, right. As I understand it, the guy was convicted under the test that recognizing the words as a threat was something a "reasonable" person would do. But that as a test could remove the words from any potential context they might have. Context is always important. "I kill you? I kill everyone!" might be a threat...but probably isn't if it was proceeded by something like "Man, you're hilarious - you kill me!" In this case - and again as I understand it - the guy clearly marked on his posts in ways that would provide different context for what he wrote (some sort of Free Speech disclaimer). So what I gather reading about this decision isn't that you can post anything online without consequence, but the words themselves are not enough to convict - you have to provide intent. But how do you prove intent if they are just seen as words...surly words can prove intention? What if he was joking? Should we put people with bad sense of humor into jail? "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) But how do you prove intent if they are just seen as words...surly words can prove intention? State of mind? Ability to carry out threat? Context in which the words were said? You act like the police can't arrest/juries can't convict anybody unless they assume that everything a person says is 100% true or they've actually done something they said they were going to do. Edited June 2, 2015 by Amentep I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think the Supreme Court made a mistake, there has to be consequences for that kind of threatening behavior. As the women in the video said this is a blow to the rights of abused women who now could face similar vitriol and worry about being able to legally challenge it Shocking. Probably do need consequences, but I think the court was saying you need more evidence than just someone saying it is threatening. Throwing people in jail is serious business, right. As I understand it, the guy was convicted under the test that recognizing the words as a threat was something a "reasonable" person would do. But that as a test could remove the words from any potential context they might have. Context is always important. "I kill you? I kill everyone!" might be a threat...but probably isn't if it was proceeded by something like "Man, you're hilarious - you kill me!" In this case - and again as I understand it - the guy clearly marked on his posts in ways that would provide different context for what he wrote (some sort of Free Speech disclaimer). So what I gather reading about this decision isn't that you can post anything online without consequence, but the words themselves are not enough to convict - you have to provide intent. But how do you prove intent if they are just seen as words...surly words can prove intention? What if he was joking? Should we put people with bad sense of humor into jail? I think Adam Sandler should go to jail. 3 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think the Supreme Court made a mistake, there has to be consequences for that kind of threatening behavior. As the women in the video said this is a blow to the rights of abused women who now could face similar vitriol and worry about being able to legally challenge it Shocking. Probably do need consequences, but I think the court was saying you need more evidence than just someone saying it is threatening. Throwing people in jail is serious business, right. As I understand it, the guy was convicted under the test that recognizing the words as a threat was something a "reasonable" person would do. But that as a test could remove the words from any potential context they might have. Context is always important. "I kill you? I kill everyone!" might be a threat...but probably isn't if it was proceeded by something like "Man, you're hilarious - you kill me!" In this case - and again as I understand it - the guy clearly marked on his posts in ways that would provide different context for what he wrote (some sort of Free Speech disclaimer). So what I gather reading about this decision isn't that you can post anything online without consequence, but the words themselves are not enough to convict - you have to provide intent. But how do you prove intent if they are just seen as words...surly words can prove intention? What if he was joking? Should we put people with bad sense of humor into jail? I think Adam Sandler should go to jail. God dammit. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namutree Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What if he was joking? Should we put people with bad sense of humor into jail? I think Adam Sandler should go to jail. Good idea. "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What if he was joking? Should we put people with bad sense of humor into jail? I think Adam Sandler should go to jail. Good idea. Hotel Transylvania is a crime against humanity. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Hotel Transylvania is a crime against humanity. I liked Hotel Transylvania. A lot. Not sure that has anything to do with Adam Sandler, per se, but there it is. I know I'm looking forward to the sequel. Edited June 2, 2015 by Amentep I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I feel a bit like a broken record, but my kids loved Hotel Transylvania, and they are the target demographic. Actually I think Mike Meyers deserves prison more than Adam Sandler. Although they both have their share of crimes against humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Okay you guys are right, there are legitimate ways to prove intent but it does involve proper detective work "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Stiller, Myers and Sandler all deserve to be sent to a labour camp. Edited June 2, 2015 by Malcador 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Please add Ricky Gervais if you've room. Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I'll probably pick it up on a sale...like I did with most things I have a passing interest in. This. I was interested in it, after a day of bitching about how much stupidity is permeating society it would be cathartic to go home and shoot up a bunch of The Masses, but TotalBiscuit's WTF is made me lose a bit of interest. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Semi-relevant: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/01/politics/supreme-court-elonis-facebook-ruling/index.html ****posters, rejoice! Speaking of people jailed for facebook posts, what happened to Justin Carter? The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Please add Ricky Gervais if you've room. He's slimmed down, I'm sure we can squeeze him in. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Googled Adam Sandler, haven't seen any of his movies but may have seen him in Cosby Show. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadedWolf Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Googled Adam Sandler, haven't seen any of his movies but may have seen him in Cosby Show. You are so incredibly fortunate. I recommend you keep it that way. Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWN_babaYaga Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) But how do you prove intent if they are just seen as words...surly words can prove intention? This is incredible stupid. Nothing personal but you have no rational mind anylonger when you realy believe what you wrote. When i say "you are an a**" do i have the intention to cast "transform human into a walking talking a**" ? Surely not right! The only thing i could do is to bash your face into an a**. I think you forget that we are humans. We live in 2015 and it´s a pretty modern world and most people are used to common language. Even they insult each other! This is part of our WAY OF LIFE. Take it easy! Why change our great times back into the middle ages. Go take some time and talk to "normal" younger guys and they will laugh at you. The younger generation seems to be way more relaxed in using words then you and most of the day dreamers of what could be. You dream! You realy just daydream! And im sure you are the only one who wants to live in your own world. No one else is part of your own dream. I have my own dreams too and they wouldnt be pretty for 99,9 of the human population but i KNOW it´s just a little wish when i´m angry. Thats it. Edited June 2, 2015 by NWN_babaYaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) This is quite funny. Remember the gg_autoblocker on Twitter that blocked people based on who they followed and even endorsed by IGDA for a while? Well the creator of it, Randi Harper, seems to be bullying the author Anne Rice (Interview with a Vampire) https://twitter.com/AnneRiceAuthor/status/605803197324599298 Seems like the "harassed ones" are really just projecting. Edited June 2, 2015 by Meshugger "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Not surprised even a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Not surprised even a little. I'm surprised Anne Rice is on twitter, but yeah it isn't shocking to see this. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Remember the article from Erik Kain calling out FF on their tropes a few pages back? I would like to thank the mods for allowing continued discussion about this on the Obsidian-boards "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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