Should discussion about The Poem be ... censored?

[Mungri]

You'ld think by now I would have ran out,

Of poop poems, but how about now ...

I write you another

For you and your brothers

Just to lol as I gross you all out.

[Valmy]

 

 

 And rocks. Let's not forget rocks.

Copious amounts of undelivered rock.

 

 

[Emptiness]

The devs then replaced said poem but for whatever reason did not include it in the patch notes.

 

To be fair, the change was discussed right at the top of the announcement for the patch notes, and was given more attention that any other change made in that patch.

 

Update 93: Patch 1.03 - Important Community Fixes

[Mungri]

Of my poop there cant only be one

Single limerick to rule them all

So I will continue to sing,

As it comes out of my ring,

And into the toilet it falls.

[Atheosis]

This is literally one of the most retarded things I've ever seen on an internet forum, and that's saying something.

[Monte Carlo]

This is what dedicated threads are for.  If our mods can contain the cancer that is romance debate to one thread, this shouldn't be much harder.

 

Look at the 'likes' on this post. PrimeJunta is a simpering commie SJW. I'm a rugged, macho lover of freedom, rare steak and chainmail bikinis.

 

And guess what?

 

We both agree anameforobsidian.

[osea101]

The issue has not only been resolved, it has been resolved with the help of the original backer.

 

This is not a free speech issue. It is not a censorship issue. It never was. 

 

How is it not a free speech issue when you have a left-wing extremist group creating such a hostile climate that everyone is compelled to cater to their every whim. How's that for a balance of forces in society? 

 

PC is a mob rule. 

[MLMII]

 

 

I was appalled by the revised one actually. First one didn't bother me so much but "death to all she-males!", really? A bit over the top imho, but it's their game. 

 

 

Umm .... really? You do realize that I just posted both poems so outright lying about the content doesn't really work ... right?

 

 

 

Joke fails if smiley is not included.. for some... 

 

 

 

Either that or you need to work on your delivery.

[Amentep]

Should be one thread. Unless the posts are problematic, I don't see a reason for mods to nuke threads. It would be nice to have one thread rather than one in each forum.

[scrotiemcb]

Voted "dedicated thread." Not so much because I think this issue is special or something, but because all thematically similar threads should always be merged to keep conversation consolidated, rather than appealing to OP ego by allowing yet another thread which discusses a topic which actually began, and therefore belongs, elsewhere.

 

Ex: this one.

Edited April 10, 2015 by scrotiemcb

[teknoman2]

if i knew about it, i would go to that tweet and call the "offended" person who asked the poem to be changed a fascist, since he imposed his opinion on and stiffled another person's freedom of speech

[Valmy]

 

 

PC is a mob rule. 

 

 

Yes. The ease of mob rule is one of the really unfortunate effects of the internet. Even a small mob can intimidate and terrorize people. I have no idea what to do about it and the only idea anybody has is to create opposition mobs which does little more than make things more terrifying.

[Valmy]

This is literally one of the most retarded things I've ever seen on an internet forum, and that's saying something.

 

Which part?

[scrotiemcb]

To answer OP's hullabaloo,

I posted my thoughts good and true.

Only after I read

And found out to my dread

This thread's now about rhyming poo.

Edited April 10, 2015 by scrotiemcb

[evensong]

A poem written in jest

was discussed with a great deal of zest

as the internet fought,

quite a few plainly thought

all the threads were a nuisance and pest.

[KingNee]

[scrotiemcb]

A poem written in jest

was discussed with a great deal of zest

as the internet fought,

quite a few plainly thought

all the threads were a nuisance and pest.

Alas, this is a problem which ails

The whole Interwebs. From that which avails

There is ne'er a fight

Won with mental might;

Brute tenacity always prevails.

Edited April 10, 2015 by scrotiemcb

[Serdan]

 

The issue has not only been resolved, it has been resolved with the help of the original backer.

 

This is not a free speech issue. It is not a censorship issue. It never was. 

 

How is it not a free speech issue when you have a left-wing extremist group creating such a hostile climate that everyone is compelled to cater to their every whim. How's that for a balance of forces in society? 

 

PC is a mob rule. 

 

http://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity/mods/28/?

That's why it isn't a free speech issue. No one's free speech has been violated.

The right to free speech does not give you the right to use another's platform for your speech. Obs are completely within their rights to edit any of the game's content at any time for any reason.

The insistence of the bigots that this has anything to do with free speech completely undermines their legitimacy (or it would, if they had any to begin with). A reasonable discussion could be had over how complaints of offensive content should be handled, but the bigots are demonstrably more interested in hurling insults.

 

The narrative you are trying to sell is ridiculous btw.

 

 

if i knew about it, i would go to that tweet and call the "offended" person who asked the poem to be changed a fascist, since he imposed his opinion on and stiffled another person's freedom of speech

How did Erika (who is a woman, so you should use female pronouns) impose her opinion and how is it different from how the bigots reacted?

Edited April 10, 2015 by Serdan

[MistarDurk]

The issue has not only been resolved, it has been resolved with the help of the original backer.

 

This is not a free speech issue. It is not a censorship issue. It never was. 

[MistarDurk]

[Ted Striker]

Oh ok, this is funny. So the political correctness that's poisoning, at least, my country is making sure to work its way into PoE and Obsidian. I can't say that I'm suprised, seeing as how it's like a disease, but it is a shame

[ChipMHazard]

I would go with "Let people create dedicated threads, but stop them from derailing other threads". 

 

I couls state the most obvious solution to your dilemma: if you're getting down because of this still being discussed on the forum then perhaps you should practice some self-restraint and ignore such posts/threads. But that can be rather hard to do when people start posting off-topic nonsense in other threads. 

Want to go to Reddit instead? Go right ahead, but be forwarned... Reddit communities tend to be rather effective at burying ideas that they do not like. So you might not be able to get as many different views on a given subject or even seen as much critiscm as you would on a forum. 

[evensong]

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But this fame is Obsidian's expression, not Firedorn's. It's their game, and there was definitely a filtering process for the backer texts in place before this whole hullaboo - like, it would be incredibly dumb of them to not have someone sort through them and bar the worst stuff. They would not, for example, have allowed openly racist messages, or encouragement to kill specific people in real life. You can be 100% sure they did not make the Backer pledge completely open, because that would be insanely dumb of them.

 

So Obsidian controls what they want to release into the world, and to a large degree, because theyre a commercial company, that's based on what their customers want. Even if you think that they caved to pressure quickly to avoid a major confrontation, as opposed to simply having accidentally let the limerick slip through in the first place, that's a cost/benefit analysis they made with regards to THEIR OWN speech, and you certainly can't force people to say things they don't want to say.

 

If Firedorn wants to run off and make his own RPG, he can put in as many dumb poems as he wants. Hell, you can make your own! And people would certainly be angry, but you wouldn't have to retract it if you didn't want to, there is no legal mechanism demanding that. The only pressure here is a predicted commercial one - and that is not sufficient to call something censorship, unless you also think it's unacceptable censorship to refrain from buying Nike shoes because of their child labour involvements.

Edited April 10, 2015 by evensong

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

This is what dedicated threads are for.  If our mods can contain the cancer that is romance debate to one thread, this shouldn't be much harder.

 

Look at the 'likes' on this post. PrimeJunta is a simpering commie SJW. I'm a rugged, macho lover of freedom, rare steak and chainmail bikinis.

 

And guess what?

 

We both agree anameforobsidian.

 

To be fair, that's because vidya romance is cancer. And the fans are even worse.

[evensong]

To be fair, that's because vidya romance is cancer. And the fans are even worse.

While I was playing PoE over the easter break, my flatmate was playing DA:I, he made a character that looked as much like himself as he could manage, then proceeded to try to sleep with all the female characters.