Mungri Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Wasn't the biggest reason because Wotsc / Atari pushed for newer DnD games to be 3D only, and wouldn't license the DnD franchise for more 2D IE style games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevBlue Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I think I remember reading something like that. Whats your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vattghern Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Yes. Also, massive lobbying by Nvidia/ATI. Curse them all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungri Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 Discussion is my point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarack21 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I personally think it had more to do with the combination of Bioware switching to 3D (KOTOR) combined with the failure of Black Isle studios. When KOTOR was a huge success, and the only other majore studio making 2D isometric games no longer functional, it just kind of stopped. When Obsidian came around they had to make 3D games, too, because KOTOR was so successful and the sequel to that was an easy project to get (Bioware were former coworkers, remember). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1rage Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I dont know really but personally I wish this game was D&D 3.5 based 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevBlue Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Discussion is my point. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungri Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 Also I thought Morrowind was the one and still one of the best 3D RPGs ever. Very few others engrossed me as much as Morrowind did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipMHazard Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) I think it was mainly because the market had switched over to 3D instead. It was obviously also far more feasible to port 3D RPGs over to consoles. But mainly I just think it came down to people wanting to use the newer technology. Edited April 6, 2015 by ChipMHazard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungri Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 But they could have made 3D fixed iso view CRPGs, like the ARPG genre continued with Sacred 2 / Torchlight series / Diablo 3 / Path of Exile. I never understood why this never happened with CRPGs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorrowofwind Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Gothic 2 > morrowind gameplaywise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BugsVendor Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Great question. As rule of thumb I would bet money would be reason number one. Computer games used to be nerdy and niche. In the older times much bigger population of games would pick up a title like BG. This has changed over they years and most profitable games became well you know, the ones for idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDoomII Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 NWN graphics was a massive downgrade compared to previous IE games. 20 Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xionanx Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Atari Killed them with ToEE.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1rage Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 But they could have made 3D fixed iso view CRPGs, like the ARPG genre continued with Sacred 2 / Torchlight series / Diablo 3 / Path of Exile. I never understood why this never happened with CRPGs. wow I never thought someone would mention the original PoE on these forums, Path of Exile is an amazing game however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k1rage Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Also I thought Morrowind was the one and still one of the best 3D RPGs ever. Very few others engrossed me as much as Morrowind did. I know right, how freaking awesome was morrowind It was easily better than oblivion and at lest on par with skyrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDoomII Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 But they could have made 3D fixed iso view CRPGs, like the ARPG genre continued with Sacred 2 / Torchlight series / Diablo 3 / Path of Exile. I never understood why this never happened with CRPGs. wow I never thought someone would mention the original PoE on these forums, Path of Exile is an amazing game however I can't play with Path of Exile camera. Too restrictive. And the small inventory is way more tedious than camping resources could ever be. 1 Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarack21 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 BG 2 was made in 2000; NWN in 2002 followed closely by KOTOR in 2003, then NWN 2, VtM:B, KOTOR 2, etc. 2003 was also the time that Black Isle closed.It seems to me to have been a self-reinforcing cycle revolving around a lack of 2D games due to closing studios and Bioware trying something new generating a lack of these games, which combined with the success of the 3D RPG's to generate the idea that these games "don't sell". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabin Stargem Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Eh. I think it has to do more with the complexity of the genre than the graphics. Anyhow, I personally prefer it if Pillars 2 switched over to 3D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDoomII Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Eh. I think it has to do more with the complexity of the genre than the graphics. Anyhow, I personally prefer it if Pillars 2 switched over to 3D. I'd prefer they stick to 2D. It's more pleasing to (my) eyes By the time they work on Pillars 2, this engine would (hopefully) be freed from most of its kinks. 7 Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 "When KOTOR was a huge success," No more than the BGs or NWN. "NWN graphics was a massive downgrade compared to previous IE games." No. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BugsVendor Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Eh. I think it has to do more with the complexity of the genre than the graphics. Anyhow, I personally prefer it if Pillars 2 switched over to 3D. Only if it looks like the witcher 3. To me those absolutely gorgeous visuals in this game still beat 99% of what's out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elgyn Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Wasn't the biggest reason because Wotsc / Atari pushed for newer DnD games to be 3D only, and wouldn't license the DnD franchise for more 2D IE style games? I would think the failure (sales wise, not content wise for all of them) post-BG probably had a big hand in it. I remember Ruins of Myth Drannor came out and didn't light the world on fire. Temple of Elemental Evil and Arcanum came out and fell flat on it's face (even though I thought they were fantastic, Troika made superb games), and I want to say there was one more that came out and bombed. Lionheart I think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarack21 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Actually, NWN generated much more money than BG for Bioware because of the ability to sell modules, and the fanbase was much large because of the online player community. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDoomII Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 "NWN graphics was a massive downgrade compared to previous IE games." No. Seriously? The graphics were so rudimentary and the aesthetic so regular, geometric, rigid and sterile that everything felt dead boring or simply goofy and lame. 15 Do you think Pillars of Eternity doesn't have enough Portraits? Submit your vote in this Poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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