Journalism and sexism in the games industry

[Blarghagh]

So anti's are calling for a boycott of Stardock now, and #GamerGate responded by telling everyone to buy their games. How well did that go when it was SeedScape?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

So anti's are calling for a boycott of Stardock now, and #GamerGate responded by telling everyone to buy their games. How well did that go when it was SeedScape?

Misogyny was spread by having a woman's game being greenlight on Steam.

 

What games has Statdock published or developed? I have extra cash and would like to support our glorious Patriarchy.

[Darkpriest]

 

So anti's are calling for a boycott of Stardock now, and #GamerGate responded by telling everyone to buy their games. How well did that go when it was SeedScape?

Misogyny was spread by having a woman's game being greenlight on Steam.

 

What games has Statdock published or developed? I have extra cash and would like to support our glorious Patriarchy.

 

 

mostly 4X TBS and 4X RTS, most notably Sins of the Solar empire, Galactic Civilizations and Fallen Enchantress series. Funny, because their game profile of major titles hardly can be sexizm inducting...

Edited December 2, 2014 by Darkpriest

[Longknife]

 

Feel bad.

 

 

McIntosh seems to be setting off my gay-dar to a degree.

 

Wasn't expecting that...

 

Oh, and someone posted a list of who all these people are:

 

 

 

Brian Altano - Works for IGN - San Francisco

Scott Anderson - Game designer that worked on Shadow Physics, now UI artist for Sledgehammer Games - San Francisco

Matt Boch - Worked for Harmonix on Rock Band/Dance Central, making a Kinect version of Fantasia for Disney - New York

Nick Breckon - Writer for Walking Dead, Idle Thumbs Podcast - San Francisco

Matt Chandronait - Working on Outerlands documentary by AREA 5. - San Francisco

Matt Conn - Founder of GaymerX - San Francisco

Mitch Dyer - Editor of IGN - San Francisco

Arthur Gies - Review Editor for Polygon - San Francisco

David Hellman - Artist for Braid - San Francisco

Jonathan Mann - Guy that worked on the music videos with Anita & McIntosh - New York

John McElroy - Worked for EA, works for Funomena - San Francisco

Tom Mc Shea - Worked for GameSpot - San Francisco

Greg Miller - Works for IGN - San Francisco

Ryan O'Donnel - Working on Outerlands documentary by AREA 5 - San Francisco

Cesar Quintero - Co-founder of Area 5 LLC. - San Francisco

Chris Remo - Working for Campo Santo, Member of Idle Thumbs, Composer on Gone Home, Thirty Flights of Loving, Spacebase DF-9, Captain Bubblenaut. - San Francisco

Jake Rodkin - Founder of Campo Santo. Co-host of the Idle Thumbs podcast. Previously of Telltale Games. - San Francisco

Tim Schafer - Founder of Double Fine - San Francisco

Adam Sessler - Former videogame show host on G4TV and Rev3, working as a consultant - San Francisco

Pierre Shorette - Writer for Telltale Games - San Francisco

Imran Siddiquee - Writer, Idealist, Feminist, Contributor for The Atlantic - San Francisco

Dan Tennery-Spalding - Education Technology - San Francisco

Kevin vanOrd - Works for GameSpot - San Francisco

Sean Vanaman - Founder of Campo Santo - a video game company. Former Telltaler. Idle Thumb. - San Francisco

 

 

Kool-aid must be delicious. And as a San Francisco native(born, obviously not there anymore), I can somewhat proudly say this is the first time in my life I feel any sort of shame for being from there.

Edited December 3, 2014 by Longknife

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

So I read the Wikipedia page of GamerGate. It's about as neutral as Glenn Beck is on US politics.

 

If this is the standard of Wikipedia, then I an certainly happy to keep my money to myself when they're begging for donations.

[Orogun01]

So I read the Wikipedia page of GamerGate. It's about as neutral as Glenn Beck is on US politics.

 

If this is the standard of Wikipedia, then I an certainly happy to keep my money to myself when they're begging for donations.

There's some controversy regarding the page and the moderators who are pro-corruption and Jimmy Wales doesn't seem to believe there's anything going on.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

So I read the Wikipedia page of GamerGate. It's about as neutral as Glenn Beck is on US politics.

 

If this is the standard of Wikipedia, then I an certainly happy to keep my money to myself when they're begging for donations.

There's some controversy regarding the page and the moderators who are pro-corruption and Jimmy Wales doesn't seem to believe there's anything going on.

 

I'm just wondering how the hell Literally Hitler has a more neutral article.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/459705/Have_people_lost_their_collective_minds

 

I'm also feeling very good now. We helped get the FTC to revise their guidelines concerning affiliate links. This e-celeb attention grabbing doesn't mean ****.

[Oerwinde]

 

 

So I read the Wikipedia page of GamerGate. It's about as neutral as Glenn Beck is on US politics.

 

If this is the standard of Wikipedia, then I an certainly happy to keep my money to myself when they're begging for donations.

There's some controversy regarding the page and the moderators who are pro-corruption and Jimmy Wales doesn't seem to believe there's anything going on.

The way I understand it Jimbo is pretty pro-gg, but he gave up most of his power long ago and can't do a lot about it besides chiming in on the debates.

 

Its mostly a problem with wiki policy re: reliable sources. Essentially none of the pro-gg stuff has been posted by sites that are considerrd reliable sources, and the ones who have have all focused on the harassment angle because frankly, no one outside gaming really gives a crap about gaming journalism.

Edited December 3, 2014 by Oerwinde

[BruceVC]

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47-FMmMLy0Feel bad.

"25. Because it was created by a straight white man, this checklist will likely be taken more seriously than if it had been written by virtually any female gamer."

 

Nope, it's more full of **** than my toilet this morning.

 

 

KP I consider you are fairly reasonable person on most topics

 

 

Can you explain to me why this video is utter nonsense ? I watched it right to the end and those 25 points are all valid areas of harassment that women on the Internet are subjected to, why don't you guys just condemn this treatment of women  instead of dismissing it?

 

They also mention that men are also subjected to bullying and harassment but its not because of there gender and that's very true, in other words I have never been verbally attacked on the Internet because I am a male on any forum or game I have ever played

 

I would love to hear from people why this video is " nonsense and plain stupid "  because I don't get it ?

[Volourn]

"Can you explain to me why this video is utter nonsense ? I watched it right to the end and those 25 points are all valid areas of harassment that women on the Internet are subjected to, why don't you guys just condemn this treatment of women  instead of dismissing it?

 

They also mention that men are also subjected to bullying and harassment but its not because of there gender and that's very true, in other words I have never been verbally attacked on the Internet because I am a male on any forum or game I have ever played

 

I would love to hear from people why this video is " nonsense and plain stupid "  because I don't get it ?"

 

It's sexist. It's racist. It's evil. It's nazish. It's brainwashing. It's scummery. It's full of crap.

 

Never been 'bullied'  because you are a guy? HAHAHA!

\

SJWs attack males all the times. Every time someone shouts someone down for 'mansplaining' that's a form of bullying. Trying to shut some down because they are of a certain gender that's bullying.

 

\You heroes attack males all the time because they are males. Yet, you continue to support them. btw, Your precious SJWs are attacking your peecious BIO. Whose side will you take?

Edited December 3, 2014 by Volourn

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Can you explain to me why this video is utter nonsense ?

Because the entire thing is [citation needed].

[BruceVC]

 

Can you explain to me why this video is utter nonsense ?

Because the entire thing is [citation needed].

 

 

That's what I thought, you don't really have a reason to dismiss it. Its just a knee-jerk reaction because it raises the reality of harassment of women on the Internet and it appears that this view is not something that certain  people who support GG want to really accept or acknowledge...or even discuss

 

Do you think this then undermines the objectives of  GG somehow? Is it not possible to support GG but also support a video like this and the message it is trying to convey ?

[BruceVC]

"

 

\You heroes attack males all the time because they are males. Yet, you continue to support them. btw, Your precious SJWs are attacking your peecious BIO. Whose side will you take?

Links? I want to read about this attack on Bioware

 

You know me Volo I am generally  opposed to any unreasonable attacks on people or companies

[Namutree]

 

 

Can you explain to me why this video is utter nonsense ?

Because the entire thing is [citation needed].

 

 

That's what I thought, you don't really have a reason to dismiss it. Its just a knee-jerk reaction because it raises the reality of harassment of women on the Internet and it appears that this view is not something that certain  people who support GG want to really accept or acknowledge...or even discuss

 

Do you think this then undermines the objectives of  GG somehow? Is it not possible to support GG but also support a video like this and the message it is trying to convey ?

 

I think some of it is perfectly reasonable, and some of it is nonsense. Benefit 3 is nonsense. You release your contact information online and you run the risk of being stalked; male or not.

 

That said the video wasn't terrible.

 

I did notice one thing though. At the beginning the guy clearly used the word, "gamer". I guess the idea that gamers are dead has been dropped by feminist frequency. To me, that counts as a tiny win for GG.

 

EDIT: Am I the only one who thinks the guy on benefit 12 has a fake mustache? It seems like the wrong color, and it also appears to be slanted like it was hastily put on.

Edited December 3, 2014 by Namutree

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

http://gamergate.me/2014/12/struggle-of-the-pen/

 

Muslim guy talks about being compared to ISIS because he has a problem with the state of gaming journalism.

 

 

 

Can you explain to me why this video is utter nonsense ?

 

Because the entire thing is [citation needed].

 

That's what I thought, you don't really have a reason to dismiss it. Its just a knee-jerk reaction because it raises the reality of harassment of women on the Internet and it appears that this view is not something that certain  people who support GG want to really accept or acknowledge...or even discuss

 

Do you think this then undermines the objectives of  GG somehow? Is it not possible to support GG but also support a video like this and the message it is trying to convey ?

If you don't see the lack of proof for said statements as "a reason to dismiss it", I honestly don't know what to say. If you want to convince me that harassment of women is exponentially more common than harrasment in general, you're going to have to show some hard evidence, not anecdotal musings.

[kirottu]

http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/459705/Have_people_lost_their_collective_minds

 

I'm also feeling very good now. We helped get the FTC to revise their guidelines concerning affiliate links. This e-celeb attention grabbing doesn't mean ****.

The recent twitter war was over this? I guess Zoe is becoming desperate to get some attention.

 

Oh dear.

 

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/539874586872266753

Oh Milo, you beautiful bastard!

Edited December 3, 2014 by kirottu

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

http://amherststudent.amherst.edu/?q=article/2014/12/03/gamergate-controversy-extends-beyond-computer-screen

 

Pretty decent article on problems with corrupt journalism.

 

http://s2b20blog.mukyou.com/voice-parappa-threatens-death-fan-steals-100-2-year-long-escapade/

 

Dude gets a death threat from a VA who he paid $100.

 

 

Oh dear.

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/539874586872266753

Oh Milo, you beautiful bastard!

 

Edited December 3, 2014 by KaineParker

[Blarghagh]

I think some of it is perfectly reasonable, and some of it is nonsense. Benefit 3 is nonsense. You release your contact information online and you run the risk of being stalked; male or not.

 

Oh man, I can confirm the hell out of this one.

[Namutree]

 

Isn't that Herman Cain?

[BruceVC]

http://gamergate.me/2014/12/struggle-of-the-pen/

 

Muslim guy talks about being compared to ISIS because he has a problem with the state of gaming journalism.

 

 

 

Can you explain to me why this video is utter nonsense ?

Because the entire thing is [citation needed].

 

That's what I thought, you don't really have a reason to dismiss it. Its just a knee-jerk reaction because it raises the reality of harassment of women on the Internet and it appears that this view is not something that certain  people who support GG want to really accept or acknowledge...or even discuss

 

Do you think this then undermines the objectives of  GG somehow? Is it not possible to support GG but also support a video like this and the message it is trying to convey ?

If you don't see the lack of proof for said statements as "a reason to dismiss it", I honestly don't know what to say. If you want to convince me that harassment of women is exponentially more common than harrasment in general, you're going to have to show some hard evidence, not anecdotal musings.

 

 

Hold on a second, do you really believe that the harassment of women on the Internet is not much worse than the harassment of men?

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

Can you explain to me why this video is utter nonsense ?

Because the entire thing is [citation needed].

 

 

That's what I thought, you don't really have a reason to dismiss it. Its just a knee-jerk reaction because it raises the reality of harassment of women on the Internet and it appears that this view is not something that certain  people who support GG want to really accept or acknowledge...or even discuss

 

Do you think this then undermines the objectives of  GG somehow? Is it not possible to support GG but also support a video like this and the message it is trying to convey ?

 

I think some of it is perfectly reasonable, and some of it is nonsense. Benefit 3 is nonsense. You release your contact information online and you run the risk of being stalked; male or not.

 

That said the video wasn't terrible.

 

I did notice one thing though. At the beginning the guy clearly used the word, "gamer". I guess the idea that gamers are dead has been dropped by feminist frequency. To me, that counts as a tiny win for GG.

 

EDIT: Am I the only one who thinks the guy on benefit 12 has a fake mustache? It seems like the wrong color, and it also appears to be slanted like it was hastily put on.

 

 

Thank you for your honesty

 

Let us just forget for a second GG and Leigh Alexander and any other contentious issues since this whole Zoe Quinn incident started ( wow saying her name feels so weird and outdated now because so much has happened since then )

 

All I was expecting is people to watch the video and acknowledge that these are valid issues, for me its a no-brainer but to just dismiss the whole video as nonsense is not helpful to the overall discussion ?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Hold on a second, do you really believe that the harassment of women on the Internet is not much worse than the harassment of men?

Do you have proof that it is?

[Volourn]

"Hold on a second, do you really believe that the harassment of women on the Internet is not much worse than the harassment of men?"

 

Yup.

 

As for the SJWS attacks on BIO. I'm not surprised that you are blessedly ignorant of them. Can't have anything hurting the narrative. The SJWs are mad that the character Sera (who is a lesbian) says something mean about other women so that proves that BIO is anti woman and are sexist. LMAO

[Blarghagh]

To be fair there is no conclusive evidence to show otherwise (that I am aware of). The main difference in it is the form the harassment takes. Trolls attack what they can see and women respond to other things than men, mainly they respond to sexism. Nobody is going to take another dude being sexist towards men very seriously so it's not a good avenue for sexism. You only have to look at #GamerGate to see how men react to sexism when it comes from the opposite sex - nothing gets their boxers in a twist faster than a mention of #KillAllMen or being called cis het male scum.

 

However, I've mentioned before that I'm friends (or other) with a lot of female gamers (and devs) and yes, the harassment they do get is pretty much all sexist. Nothing I get compares, really. I know Volourn will disagree because he gets nasty harassment himself, but in my personal, anecdotal experience, yes, women get more harassed than men on the internet.