Journalism and sexism in the games industry

[Namutree]

 

Edit:  In fairness, the British accent probably counts for something too.  Everyone loves a British accent...  Except the French, likely.

 

Let me tell you something funny. I have always hated the British accent. Especially in video games. 

 

I'll tell you something else. My family is French. Guess I inherited a disdain for the accent.

[Namutree]

 

Target didn't do anything wrong.

 

 

Yes, they did.  They had a game that was rated as Adult Only (18+), that was only to be sold to adults, played by adults, etc., and they gave in to a bunch of Soccer Moms that were worried about kids playing the game.  Kids that wouldn't be playing the game if parents would do their damned job.

 

It's almost as idiotic as the people that joined the class action lawsuit against Rockstar when they found out that they could unlock a fully clothed sex QTE on the PS2 in GTA:SA with a memory hacker.  Most of the people in that class action didn't own the memory hacker required to unlock the QTE, but why should that stop anyone from their payout?  

 

They have every right to give in to anyone they like. You're taking this too personal. They aren't obligated to sell GTA 5.

[Fighter]

I could load up Skyrim. Run around town and axe murder every woman I see. Skyrim has decapitations by the way. I can then rob them, undress them to their underwear and drag their dangling dead bodies to pile them in the town square where I can burn them with magic. And oh yeah, with that one certain quest for a certain deity I can also feed on their naked corpses to get a bonus -- thus cannibalism of your defiled murder victims is directly encouraged. Oh, and I can take their souls as I kill them.

 

That's without any mods.

 

If we are talking about the things that a game lets you do as being "problematic" GTA has nothing on Skyrim.

Edited December 6, 2014 by Fighter

[Namutree]

"You can do that if you want, but I don't see why you would. Target didn't do anything wrong."

\

Kiddin' right? Acting like nazis is ALWAYS wrong.

When did Nazi's decide not to sell a video game they decided they didn't want to sell.

[Meshugger]

Time to put your tinfoil hats on:

 

[Namutree]

I could load up Skyrim. Run around town and axe murder every woman I see. Skyrim has decapitations by the way. I can then rob them, undress them to their underwear and drag their their dangling dead bodies to pile them in the town square where I can burn them with magic. And oh yeah, with that one certain quest for a certain deity I can also feed on their naked corpses to get a bonus -- thus cannibalism of your defiled murder victims is directly encouraged. Oh, and I can take their souls as I kill them.

 

That's without any mods.

 

If we are talking about the things that a game lets you do as being "problematic" GTA has nothing on Skyrim.

This is true. I guess people hold GTA to a higher standard since it takes place in a more realistic environment.

[Fighter]

I just think it's stupidity and ignorance.

[Namutree]

I just think it's stupidity and ignorance.

Probably.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Time to put your tinfoil hats on:

 

I believe one of the editors described himself as a cultural Marxist, then stated he had no interest in economics.

 

Oh, and we may be weaponizing porn.

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2ofzo3/gg_porn_charity_featuring_mercedes_carrera/

Edited December 6, 2014 by KaineParker

[Keyrock]

Yikes, things got a bit heated back there.  Let's keep it civil folks.  For all my disagreements with Bruce, and we very much disagree a lot, he's at least reasonable enough to listen to opposing arguments and engage in debate, even if that debate sometimes feels like banging my head against a brick wall (Bruce may well feel the same way about some of us), something many of the ultra extreme far-left-wingers won't even entertain.  Now, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that I, myself, have in the past (and may in the future) had moments where I've let emotions get the best of me and reacted/replied in a more aggressive and insulting manner than I should have.  For that, I apologize, to anyone I've offended.  Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that we (again, myself very much included) could maybe refrain from making character attacks on forum members.  Those really aren't going to help anything or anyone.

[HoonDing]

May the lulz never end.

[BruceVC]

Yikes, things got a bit heated back there.  Let's keep it civil folks.  For all my disagreements with Bruce, and we very much disagree a lot, he's at least reasonable enough to listen to opposing arguments and engage in debate, even if that debate sometimes feels like banging my head against a brick wall (Bruce may well feel the same way about some of us), something many of the ultra extreme far-left-wingers won't even entertain.  Now, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that I, myself, have in the past (and may in the future) had moments where I've let emotions get the best of me and reacted/replied in a more aggressive and insulting manner than I should have.  For that, I apologize, to anyone I've offended.  Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that we (again, myself very much included) could maybe refrain from making character attacks on forum members.  Those really aren't going to help anything or anyone.

 

Nice post Keyrock, I agree with your general sentiment. We should always try to maintain a certain level of decorum

[Volourn]

" For all my disagreements with Bruce, and we very much disagree a lot, he's at least reasonable enough to listen to opposing arguments and engage in debate"

 

He's not reasonable. And, he doesn't debate. His views are insane. He believes all gamers are racist sexist male monsters. He feels that game gate is worse than ISIS.  He doesn't debate, he preaches. He NEVER criticzes SJWs and accepts every single thing thing say. He believes gamers are dead even though he's a gamer himself. How delusional can one person be? He loves BIO yet he loves the fact that SJWs bash BIO.

 

 I guess it's about the 'feels' and not the 'facts'. The fact is gamers are not racist. Or sexist. Or monsters. And, we most certainly are not dead. Or ISIS. Until he apologies on behalf 9and seriously) on behalf of all SJWs (since he says that all members of a group are responsible for every member of the group)  it's hard to take SJWs seriously.

 

Also, on more clear matter: SJWs are one of the most one note group in the world. They consist largely of white people - including quite a few males. Meanwhile, gamers (and gamergate)  are anything but 'white male racists exist monsters). It is EXTREMELY varied. Because, gamers  is a huge group while SJWs are scuh a tiny joke alongside the KKK except they sadly have  even more infleucne than the disgusting KKK.

 

 

 

"They have every right to give in to anyone they like. You're taking this too personal. They aren't obligated to sell GTA 5."

 

And, we have every right to bash them for being nazis.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Mark E Smith's bizarre adaptation of Lovecraft's The Horror In Clay. The weekend continues here!

 

[video=youtube;hptKRQcx6IE]

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

http://therealpornwikileaks.com/mercedes-carreras-immoralsupport-vol-2-god-save-porn-games/

 

BasedMILF speaks.

[Nonek]

 

I'll tell you something else. My family is French.

 

 

Commiserations old chap.

[Blarghagh]

Yikes, things got a bit heated back there.  Let's keep it civil folks.  For all my disagreements with Bruce, and we very much disagree a lot, he's at least reasonable enough to listen to opposing arguments and engage in debate, even if that debate sometimes feels like banging my head against a brick wall (Bruce may well feel the same way about some of us), something many of the ultra extreme far-left-wingers won't even entertain.  Now, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that I, myself, have in the past (and may in the future) had moments where I've let emotions get the best of me and reacted/replied in a more aggressive and insulting manner than I should have.  For that, I apologize, to anyone I've offended.  Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that we (again, myself very much included) could maybe refrain from making character attacks on forum members.  Those really aren't going to help anything or anyone.

 

Thanks for this. It's why I recused myself from arguing with him about this matter, because I felt my frustration get the better of me. I recall that several times I've asked people to be more civil to Bruce. At the same time...

 

This dislike of women can be overt or covert. What you see mostly nowadays is the covert display of misogyny, like GG where real misogynists mask there bigotry around other issues. So this gives them the opportunity to be sexist but pretend they not as they say they are doing it other reasons like " integrity in the gaming industry "

 

If this is still your view of #GamerGate after all this time, it lends credence to accusations that you're just yes-manning what other "SJW" oriented people have said since not a single actual, demonstrable fact supports this claim and many speak against it. #GamerGate is very quickly becoming the best thing for empowering and defending talented female developers that this industry has ever seen.

 

Are you aware that at this time the vast majority of #GamerGate figureheads are women? Many women, like Georgina Young from TechRaptr and game developer Jennifer Dawe. I mean, literally we have, what, just TotalBiscuit as male representation at this point? Other than random Twitter spam. #GamerGate actively encourages its female (and minority) voices to come and speak. The few things that have remained constant in #GamerGate is that we are against harassment, biased and nepotist gaming media and support women in gaming.

 

Are you aware that the opposition of #GamerGate has been actively boycotting female developers (Jennifer Dawe) and bullying women who have the audacity to, oh, just ask questions off the internet (Claire Schumann)? That almost all of the oppositions critcism falls towards games with female characters designed by women (Rhianna Pratchett who wrote the latest Tomb Raider, Mari Shimazaki who designed the character of Bayonetta) to be empowering? Have you seen the BroPill interviews with anonymous female developers who are scared to reveal their names because if they reveal they are pro-GamerGate, the opposition will harass them and their companies until they quit?

 

If there was misogyny in #GamerGate in the first place (and I still question that there ever was as every single source of this claim has had a vested interest in keeping the status quo regarding games media) it's long been chased off and has joined the opposition. Are a lot of people in #GamerGate disagreeing with third wave, intersectional feminists? Yes. Does that equal misogyny? I'll let TotalBiscuit answer that for me.

 

 

Either #GamerGate is the least effective hate movement ever conceived, or it's very devious in letting the opposition commit its misogyny for it.

Edited December 6, 2014 by TrueNeutral

[Fighter]

And there it is.

 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

@TN: Actually, Gamergate supporters(on KiA at any rate) are generally prejudiced against San Francisco residents. I don't know if that qualifies it as a hate movement, but almost all pro-corruption people seem to live there.

 

And there it is.

 

LOL. These crybabies are butthurt they're not the majority so they want to take control. I guarantee you they would quickly scratch off "democratic participatory" from that in practice.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cultural_Marxism#Restoring_older_version

 

Cultural Marxism article has been reverted by Jimbo Wales himself.

 

I have been editing on and off for the past 7 years, however my experience is in entomological pages, is this the sort of issue that accompanies these kind of articles? I sense a sort of clique mentality from those who share similar ideological views from numerous sides, so I thought I might add some input as an outsider looking in. Is there a way we can enforce a sort of moderator for decisions that aren't made from consensus or vote. At least not have one of the individuals, especially not the individual who initiated the merger, deciding whether or not it is over. Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-= 20:38, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Seems relevant to the gamergate article.

Edited December 7, 2014 by KaineParker

[Longknife]

And there it is.

 

 

Yeah McIntosh cause you've done just a CRACKERJACK JOB of respecting majority opinion and democratic values thusfar. :D

[Namutree]

And there it is.

 

Tyrannical douche.

[Keyrock]

And there it is.

 

Market abolitionism, eh?  Much like Marxism, and there is more than just a little overlap here, it's an idea that at first may sound good in theory, but in practice has been shown to have terrible results, with the economic model replacing free markets either almost immediately failing spectacularly or, over time, transforming into something, quite frankly, sinister and tyrannical.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Keyrock

[Namutree]

Market abolitionism, eh?  Much like Marxism, and there is more than just a little overlap here, it's an idea that at first may sound good in theory, but in practice has been shown to have terrible results, with the economic model replacing free markets either almost immediately failing spectacularly or, over time, transforming into something, quite frankly, sinister and tyrannical.

 

 

 

To me it doesn't even sound good in theory.

 

Socialist: Wanna give up personal volition in favor of being dominated by majority opinion?

 

Anyone with even a bit of sense: No. 

[Zoraptor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cultural_Marxism#Restoring_older_version

 

Cultural Marxism article has been reverted by Jimbo Wales himself.

 

 

And lo, there was much well deserved butthurt. Here's hoping for more, edits by ideologues are the scourge of wikipedia.

 

Market abolitionism, eh?  Much like Marxism, and there is more than just a little overlap here, it's an idea that at first may sound good in theory, but in practice has been shown to have terrible results, with the economic model replacing free markets either almost immediately failing spectacularly or, over time, transforming into something, quite frankly, sinister and tyrannical.

 

 

Depends on circumstance, as with most things. By most measures single payer (socialised/ state run) health services are both better in terms of coverage and cheaper overall than market driven ones.

[Namutree]

 

Market abolitionism, eh?  Much like Marxism, and there is more than just a little overlap here, it's an idea that at first may sound good in theory, but in practice has been shown to have terrible results, with the economic model replacing free markets either almost immediately failing spectacularly or, over time, transforming into something, quite frankly, sinister and tyrannical.

 

 

Depends on circumstance, as with most things. By most measures single payer (socialised/ state run) health services are both better in terms of coverage and cheaper overall than market driven ones.

 

Socialist health services are certainly better than socialist/market hybrids.