Drama and games journalism, soggy leg joint edition

[Zoraptor]

I imagine it's worse than that.

Their whole brand might be irrevocably damaged.

I wouldn't be surprised if they shut-down or rename before gamergate does.

 

 

That would depend on the actual balance of support/ boycott vis-a-vis Gamergate. If the negative impact is on people who don't buy there anyway it won't have any effect, if the people shopping there have the ability to spell it won't have any effect or if GG people or people who don't care represent their clientele it won't have any effect. Don't think Gamersgate is publicly traded either and does not rely on advertising.

 

Realistically, they have the far more significant trouble that all Steam Key Resellers have of being beholden to the good will of their primary competitor for survival and thus being practically irrelevant, since they're selling their competitor's product which can be withdrawn any time their competition gets too hot; but that's wholly independent of Gamergate and more to do with various other factors more suitable for another thread.

[Oerwinde]

Salon article about Felicia Day getting doxxed titled "Actress Attacked by Internet Horde for Speaking Out on GamerGate" goes on to describe one person doxxing her.

 

Since when is "Horde" used to describe a single individual? This isn't just about ethics in gaming journalism, all journalism is terrible.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Salon article about Felicia Day getting doxxed titled "Actress Attacked by Internet Horde for Speaking Out on GamerGate" goes on to describe one person doxxing her.

 

Since when is "Horde" used to describe a single individual? This isn't just about ethics in gaming journalism, all journalism is terrible.

I think someone here posted a tumblr where the author stated he found the concerns of gamergate being about individual accountability. A good read, and frankly describes the reactions to this stuff perfectly. The opponents of gamergate seem focused on groups while supporters are focused on individuals.

 

As it is, a large problem with the narrative pushed by the media is that they have no identifiable targets to pursue. I suppose they could go after Erik Kain, TotalBiscuit, or Boogie, but none of those fellows have said anything approaching controversey(in fact they've been civil and have called for civility) and have been ignored. Targeting ganergate as a whole rather than the individuals behind the heinous acts is just going to make them seem like **** in the eyes of us who just want more ethical journalism and don't want to be lumped in with every troll who is harassing someone.

Edited October 24, 2014 by KaineParker

[Lexx]

Problem is, there aren't many prominent looking people in the GG movement who talk shait all day. So it's not that easy to find some individual to attack, who is not just a random no-name internet person... While it is much easier to find high profile anti-GG targets.

 

I still think that this is just a stupid flamewar between people who like to get upset all day. Else it would have died down already.

Edited October 24, 2014 by Lexx

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Problem is, there aren't many prominent looking people in the GG movement who talk shait all day. So it's not that easy to find some individual to attack, who is not just a random no-name internet person... While it is much easier to find high profile anti-GG targets.

 

I still think that this is just a stupid flamewar between people who like to get upset all day. Else it would have died down already.

Let's be honest, isn't almost everything that isn't porn a flamewar between oversensitive people?

[Hurlshort]

I saw this .gif and felt the need to use it here.

 

[BruceVC]

Are people going to finally admit that feminists and SJWs are sexist racist nazi pigs who believe in slavery, think men are just rapists and women are weak, pathetic, child like, and need to be handled with kid gloves? Feminism is evil to the core.

 

#SupportEqualismIfYouAreAGoodPerson

 

No Volo, you are still one of the few people who believes that and that type of perspective is just ignored by people who try to have this debate in a meaningful way

[Namutree]

 

No Volo, you are still one of the few people who believes that and that type of perspective is just ignored by people who try to have this debate in a meaningful way

 

I feel that these SJW's aren't really feminists. It's just a title they've given themselves to be holier-than-thou. The situation with TFYC is proof that helping women get into the gaming industry isn't a goal of theirs. They're just a clique of hipster douches who want to be considered intellectuals, but don't want to bother learning what they're talking about. It's unfair to hold feminism in disdain based on these people. 

 

We've already seen with the Factual feminist and TFYC that these pretenders don't represent actual feminism.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

There's an AMA up on KotakuinAction with a feminist that is going well.

[Hiro Protagonist]

After reading the last couple of pages and seeing an article I didnt' realise it's National Bullying Prevention Month. Great to see Gawker ignoring that and want to bring bullying back.

[Orogun01]

So GG has a site now

http://gamergate.me/

 

and the right wing and other groups that have been targeted by the extreme left are sympathetic to GG. It's a mad world y'all.

[kirottu]

The site is nice.

[Hiro Protagonist]

Interesting. The sites from the 'approved' section is something I'll have to check out.

[BruceVC]

So GG has a site now

http://gamergate.me/

 

and the right wing and other groups that have been targeted by the extreme left are sympathetic to GG. It's a mad world y'all.

 

At last my suggestion to add credibility to the GG movement has been implemented, well done for whoever created this.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

So GG has a site now

http://gamergate.me/

 

and the right wing and other groups that have been targeted by the extreme left are sympathetic to GG. It's a mad world y'all.

I feel like we've ventured in to Htrae. It seems less than a decade ago right-wing fellows like Jack Thompson were the ones going after gaming. Now the authoritarian left is making similar arguments as Thompson and is being supported by gaming press. Are environmentalists going to start arguing for more oil drilling soon?

[Namutree]

So GG has a site now

http://gamergate.me/

 

and the right wing and other groups that have been targeted by the extreme left are sympathetic to GG. It's a mad world y'all.

Cool.

[Namutree]

 

 Are environmentalists going to start arguing for more oil drilling soon?

 

No, but environmentalists websites and magazines will.

 

"The Planet is Dead"

 

Will be the name of the articles calling environmentalists losers and wanting them to be outcasts from politics. Then #Earthgate will begin.

[Shallow]

 

So GG has a site now

http://gamergate.me/

 

and the right wing and other groups that have been targeted by the extreme left are sympathetic to GG. It's a mad world y'all.

 

At last my suggestion to add credibility to the GG movement has been implemented, well done for whoever created this.

 

The site isn't official in any way, it's a nice enough site and all, but it isn't official, and everyone can still use the hashtag regardless of whether they approve of anything the site says. The site itself even states that gamergate is a leaderless mob and thus it isn't pretending to be any real form of authority, it isn't really your idea as much as it's just some random progamergate people deciding to make a website about gamergate.

[Namutree]

 

 

So GG has a site now

http://gamergate.me/

 

and the right wing and other groups that have been targeted by the extreme left are sympathetic to GG. It's a mad world y'all.

 

At last my suggestion to add credibility to the GG movement has been implemented, well done for whoever created this.

 

The site isn't official in any way, it's a nice enough site and all, but it isn't official, and everyone can still use the hashtag regardless of whether they approve of anything the site says. The site itself even states that gamergate is a leaderless mob and thus it isn't pretending to be any real form of authority, it isn't really your idea as much as it's just some random progamergate people deciding to make a website about gamergate.

 

It at least allows people wanting to know what gamergate is about from some one progamergate to get some basic information.

[Hiro Protagonist]

I like the fact that it has websites they deem okay and half those sites I've never heard of. I'm glad to see such a list like this. The death of gamers? More like the death of those terrible gaming sites like Polygon.

[Meshugger]

http://theralphretort.com/cartoons-gg-8chan/

 

The first comic, dear lord

[BruceVC]

 

 

So GG has a site now

http://gamergate.me/

 

and the right wing and other groups that have been targeted by the extreme left are sympathetic to GG. It's a mad world y'all.

 

At last my suggestion to add credibility to the GG movement has been implemented, well done for whoever created this.

 

The site isn't official in any way, it's a nice enough site and all, but it isn't official, and everyone can still use the hashtag regardless of whether they approve of anything the site says. The site itself even states that gamergate is a leaderless mob and thus it isn't pretending to be any real form of authority, it isn't really your idea as much as it's just some random progamergate people deciding to make a website about gamergate.

 

 

Of course its not really my idea, many people have suggested it

 

I just meant I raised this exact concept  on this thread when people asked "how can you make the GG movement more credible "

 

Now the next step is a forum on this website where we can have a reasonable discussion about the good and bad about GG

 

I can't stress enough how this is a logical and reasonable way to get GG to evolve to the next level of it being accepted by mainstream gaming publishers as a real medium to raise concerns in the gaming industry. You could never achieve this type of acceptance through Social Media as it is not tangible

[Hiro Protagonist]

 

Of course its not really my idea, many people have suggested it

 

I just meant I raised this exact concept  on this thread when people asked "how can you make the GG movement more credible "

 

Now the next step is a forum on this website where we can have a reasonable discussion about the good and bad about GG

 

I can't stress enough how this is a logical and reasonable way to get GG to evolve to the next level of it being accepted by mainstream gaming publishers as a real medium to raise concerns in the gaming industry. You could never achieve this type of acceptance through Social Media as it is not tangible

 

 

You expect this site to open up a forum for all parties to have a reasonable discussion? How about sites like Polygon opening up their site for a forum to all and to have a reasonable discussion to raise concerns in the gaming industry? Wouldn't that have been a logical and reasonable way to get the gaming media to discuss the issues. Or don't you hold them up to the same standard as GG? And wouldn't you agree that the next step for the gaming media is to evolve with certain standards that all can agree with. You know like honesty, no bullying, no harassment and all this sort of stuff that different parts of the gaming media should be doing.

Edited October 24, 2014 by Hiro Protagonist

[Meshugger]

There's no point in having a reasonable discussion with sites that wishes their audiences dead and think that they are racists, misogynists, terrorists and so on.

 

No, the only option is to kill those sites economically through informing their partners to drop their financial support and expose them as the frauds they are.

 

Then they can return to having a subsription model where they can have their circle-jerk of Dear Esters and Gone Home's for themselves, all while games and their creators are left alone to create what they wish.

[Shallow]

 

Of course its not really my idea, many people have suggested it

 

I just meant I raised this exact concept  on this thread when people asked "how can you make the GG movement more credible "

 

Now the next step is a forum on this website where we can have a reasonable discussion about the good and bad about GG

 

I can't stress enough how this is a logical and reasonable way to get GG to evolve to the next level of it being accepted by mainstream gaming publishers as a real medium to raise concerns in the gaming industry. You could never achieve this type of acceptance through Social Media as it is not tangible

 

I didn't mean "This isn't your idea, other people also thought of it, stop trying to take the credit.", I meant "This isn't really the same concept as the one you were suggesting.".

 

Also, it doesn't really seem as if you understand it, but the whole anarchyish leaderless uncontrolled rabble is a pretty integral part of this whole thing for a decent amount of GGrs.

Acceptance by mainstreamers also isn't the most important thing, most of the older ones of us have gone through periods of being accused of satanism/otherwise being deeply disturbed by regulars, back then it was mainly more conservative/evangelical people, but being alienated by leftists really isn't that different, they just call you different forms of morally corrupt. If mainstreamers don't want to accept us, basically, f*** them.