obyknven Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Just my thread for interesting stuff. Principality of Theodoro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Theodoro http://www.graal.org.ua/en/theodoro-principality/history-of-theodoro http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5773/ Mostly interested because here survive traditions of Ancient world city building, quite different from tight and non-ecological "European" (after fall of Roman Empire) city building. Capital of Theodoro is Mangup Kale. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangup Other example of Byzantian city is Chersonesus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chersonesus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I do agree that there is something to the argument for increased greenery and space in our cities, along with a little less uniformity and more artistic expression. The dour concrete jungles can be a little daunting, and even though at night they possess a certain neon lit beauty all of their own, they cannot compare to the green and growing splendour of say an idyllic English cottage, nestling in a bosom of organic splendour. To me at least. 1 Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shallow Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I do agree that there is something to the argument for increased greenery and space in our cities, along with a little less uniformity and more artistic expression. The dour concrete jungles can be a little daunting, and even though at night they possess a certain neon lit beauty all of their own, they cannot compare to the green and growing splendour of say an idyllic English cottage, nestling in a bosom of organic splendour. To me at least. Concrete jungles can look really stunning provided they're built by people with the least bit of artistic sense, unfortunately that is essentially never the case, and even if it is there'll be preasure that looks standard, thankfully night removes the ugly detail and just leaves the lights. Any style can be great or horrid, depending on whether they got least bit of individuality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Just my thread for interesting stuff. Principality of Theodoro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Theodoro http://www.graal.org.ua/en/theodoro-principality/history-of-theodoro http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5773/ Mostly interested because here survive traditions of Ancient world city building, quite different from tight and non-ecological "European" (after fall of Roman Empire) city building. Capital of Theodoro is Mangup Kale. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mangup Other example of Byzantian city is Chersonesus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chersonesus ignorance. geography and advances in warfare had as much to do with euro city planning as anything. notions o' ancient ecological awareness or consciousness is hokum... and long, largely indefensible walls/fortifications has always been of suspect value (e.g. great wall of china, maginot line.) similarly, the checkerboard or wheel and spoke layout o' streets you see in more modern planned european cities were largely due to the advent o' the cannon and firearms in general. conversely, the hanging gardens o' tenochtitlan (http://www.history.com/videos/aztec-ingenuity#aztec-ingenuity) were the result o' incredible ingenuity and necessity rather than whimsical notions o' a pre-columbian aesthetic. the mexico valley suffered from poor soil quality, frequent frosts and irregular rainfall. chinampas were a solution to these geographical/environmental limitations. you like green? great, but toss the ecological nonsense as that is projecting modern values onto ancient examples that got nothing to do with your aesthetic. HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Didn't really bother to read the topic, though I couldn't help but notice that oby tagged this topic with his own username. 2 Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 Let's continue our trip in Eastern culture. "Persian" (Midian, Parthian, Turanian, Aryan) heritage. Fire temples. Sacred fortress Sacred Town Fire altars. Altars of Mithra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Striking, it gives one a certain sense of pride to note what ones fellow man can build, especially in times that we nowadays lazily condemn as backwards. This is one of the reason I am always somewhat uncomfortable with the conspiracy movement that argues aliens made any striking feature on Earth, it devalues us and takes no account of our sometimes ingenious, gifted and hardworking nature. Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Probably off-topic, but oby threads never have much of a topic focus anyway: I've been spending a lot of time lately driving up and down Embassy Row in DC. Given the frequency of stops due to traffic lights, bus stops, double-parked diplomats, etc., I've been appreciating the lovely variety of statuary along the route. Besides the usual kind of thing you see in a capitol city-- war heroes on horses, important political leaders, an occasional scientist or clergyman, etc., the various embassies have put up a lot of really cool statues outside their buildings. There's a spot near the Naval Observatory where identical-scale bronzes of Churchill and Mandela essentially face each other from across the street, each with one arm raised into the air (Churchill: V for Victory; Mandela: Fist). Makes you wonder about the kind of conversation those two might have. The Indonesian embassy has a fantastic new statue of Suraswati. If you peek through the fence into the courtyard of the Turkish embassy, you'll see a statue of Ataturk that is really well done-- with his chest forward and jacket un-buttoned and blowing open in the breeze, it's about as badass as you can make a sculpture of somebody wearing traditional Western business attire look. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shallow Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 You guys should check out berber architecture, it's some of the most amazing stuff you'll ever see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I wonder how much of this grand architecture is down to less than democratic regimes trying to find legitimacy in public shows of power/taste/virtue? 1 "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonek Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Probably quite a lot I would think, as well as insane amounts of ego and self belief, one merely has to behold what the Pharoah's left behind to see that sometimes art can come from extremely strange origins. Edit: I beleive there was an architectural theory on the standing stones, dolmen, henges and menhirs of Europe and beyond, postulating that they were raised merely to state that this was the land of the builders, and that the remains so often found buried around them were further claims upon ownership of the land. Our dead lie here, sleeping and honoured, this is our land, indisputably kind of thing. Edited October 17, 2014 by Nonek 1 Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share Posted October 18, 2014 It's fashion time now. Fashion of Achaemenid Empire. Men women Fasion of Eastern part of Empire - Afghanistan Color scheme's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Probably off-topic, but oby threads never have much of a topic focus anyway: I've been spending a lot of time lately driving up and down Embassy Row in DC. Given the frequency of stops due to traffic lights, bus stops, double-parked diplomats, etc., I've been appreciating the lovely variety of statuary along the route. Besides the usual kind of thing you see in a capitol city-- war heroes on horses, important political leaders, an occasional scientist or clergyman, etc., the various embassies have put up a lot of really cool statues outside their buildings. There's a spot near the Naval Observatory where identical-scale bronzes of Churchill and Mandela essentially face each other from across the street, each with one arm raised into the air (Churchill: V for Victory; Mandela: Fist). Makes you wonder about the kind of conversation those two might have. The Indonesian embassy has a fantastic new statue of Suraswati. If you peek through the fence into the courtyard of the Turkish embassy, you'll see a statue of Ataturk that is really well done-- with his chest forward and jacket un-buttoned and blowing open in the breeze, it's about as badass as you can make a sculpture of somebody wearing traditional Western business attire look. One of these days I'd like to take a week or so to visit DC and just walk all around the Capital district. I've been there a few times (mainly when I was working at Pax River) but I've never had time to really take it all in. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 Fashion of Sassanid's. Fashion of archaic European Scythians (before VI BCE) fashion of new European "Scythians" (Scolotoi) after sucessful invansion from Central Asia (after VI - V BCE) men women Fortifications of Later Scythians in Crimea (new wave of invaders from Central Asia in III BCE pushed out Scolotoi to this peninsula). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longknife Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I was expecting an indoctrination program where we all learn why Russia is best country. "The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him." Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 I was expecting an indoctrination program where we all learn why Russia is best country. ok, totalitarian musical pause now http://youtu.be/6SZXH9RmW-4 http://youtu.be/IMqF24Ui_SI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I was expecting an indoctrination program where we all learn why Russia is best country. Most people are far too indoctrinated in other thinking to see the light. But this is amusing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHh6N0dMKtU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Continue our trip to Aryan Indoiranian heritage. Central Asia. Khwarezm. VI-II BCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namutree Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Well, this is a neat thread. "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 It's very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Yuezhi, Eastern "Iranian" people from Tibet region. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuezhi Later they create mighty Buddhist Kushan Empire and cause significant Influence to Gandhara Civilization (and whole Buddhism). Buddist stupa's are reshaped steppe kurgans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Later Kushan Empire has been conquered by White Huns - Central Asian peoples of Xionites and Hephthalites. In result Kushan Empire has been replaced by new Hephthalite Empire, though culturally almost nothing changed (except religion probably). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 Hephthalites or White Huns actually live in the towns. in fortified houses and castles near of towns They has very advanced and fashionable culture ( for comparison - in this time ancestors of Modern Europeans yet stay a half-naked barbarians lived in primitive huts). Their perfectly armed army consisted from cavalry and infantry. They won battles against Sassanid Empire and as result their expeditionary forces break forth to North Caucasus and Black Sea region... How it's ended everyone is known. Later in VI-VII centuries their Empire has been fallen upon joint strikes of Sassanid Empire and mighty Turkic Khaganate. Remnants of Huns flee into India where has been assimilated by locals. From this period dominance of Turkic people in Central Asian region has been beginned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 More ancient Aryans now. Adronovo culture 2000 BCE. They are inventors of chariots and superior warfare methods. Their furious expansion happened in 2000 - 1500 BCE, nobody can resist to them, even such powerful civilisations as Ancient Egypt, Ancient India and Schumer fall upon them. They're builders of kurgans. http://pochit.ru/pars_docs/refs/14/13672/13672_html_m265e2408.png These "nomads" live in towns also. http://rudocs.exdat.com/pars_docs/tw_refs/170/169341/169341_html_5ac1befd.png http://cat.convdocs.org/pars_docs/refs/123/122289/122289_html_4e7fe4ec.png They build sacred circular cities also. Such Aryan cities can be found in Asia Minor, Middle East, Ural and Central Asia and other places. Actually all Indo-Iranian people continue build such circular cities much later - in times of Achaemenid Empire (VI-V BCE) or even in times of Kushan Empire (as this sacred castle of kings in Central Asia). hall of kings in this castle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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