Drama in indy gaming and games journalism part 2

[Nonek]

I've got to admit my knees have been killing me lately.

[GhoulishVisage]

Oh dear.
Oh wow.
 
http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216873
 

Depression Quest has yet to donate any funds to IFred and the charity does not recognize Depression Quest as a partner. Attempts to reach the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, which the title claims to donate to from proceeds as well, have not been successful.

If this turns out to be true... well.

You can't take the moral high-ground and be a scam artist at the same time.

 

 

Edit: That said I'd wait for more info on this before getting too riled up.

Edited September 11, 2014 by GhoulishVisage

[Fighter]

She also allegedly deleted the reference to iFred from her page.

[Longknife]

 

 

Edit: That said I'd wait for more info on this before getting too riled up.

Let's not kid ourselves. They're ****ing guilty.

 

Don't take that the wrong way; I mean pages back I was calling out how it felt like people were acting without definitive proof and needed to take a step back and re-evaluate the "evidence," and note we still don't have evidence.

 

Having said that though, I'm learning with age (and by no means am I old and wise) and experience to trust my intuition with people, cause apparently I've got DAMNED good intuition with people. Hasn't led me astray yet. And here? This sheer amount of rumors and accusations do not simply hit a group for no reason. If we were to say it's all character assassination and conspiracies launched against them? 1) Seriously these are ****ing game journalists, get over yourselves 2) If that were the case I bet we wouldn't see such highly suggestive "evidence" in various unrelated issues that have little to no connection with one another.

 

 

These people are losers. Opportunists clinging to an ideology that they've misinterpreted as a "I have a right to whine anytime I want and deserve anything I want" pass. They're spoiled children who've twisted an ideology and interpreted it in such a way that anything that disagrees with them must be morally flawed and corrupted because they are women and thus society is only ever trying to oppress them and not actually trying to actually convince them to grow the **** up.

 

 

The only reason I dare already say "guilty" is because it legitimately doesn't matter. These people are worthless to the gaming community regardless of being guilty or innocent of theft from charities or lying about creepy tweets, so in that regard the case is already closed because the moment this whole fiasco is over, their names will never be relevant to gaming again. That's exactly why Zoe and Anita and all the rest show such active interest in watching this all unfold even when they're targets: because they're opportunists and think any publicity is good publicity. (True)

 

In that sense there's no productive purpose in discussing any of this. Let's not kid ourselves: this is a closed case for the gaming community. If people are concerned about the San Francisco police department being slackers (I was actually born there and I never had a problem with the police there so I highly doubt that) or concerned and pissed off at someone for using a charity's name for personal profit, by all means spread the news. But as far as the gaming community itself goes as a stand-alone entity? Our interest in such stories is akin to people taking interest in Chris Chan: it's all nothing more than a fascination of watching a train wreck and then watching the wreckage burn.

[BruceVC]

Oh dear.

Oh wow.

 

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216873

 

Depression Quest has yet to donate any funds to IFred and the charity does not recognize Depression Quest as a partner. Attempts to reach the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, which the title claims to donate to from proceeds as well, have not been successful.

 

 

If this turns out to be true... well.

You can't take the moral high-ground and be a scam artist at the same time.

 

 

Edit: That said I'd wait for more info on this before getting too riled up.

 

This looks to me like more anti-feminist propaganda, are there other links that support this?

[Oerwinde]

 

 

Oh dear.

Oh wow.

 

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216873

 

Depression Quest has yet to donate any funds to IFred and the charity does not recognize Depression Quest as a partner. Attempts to reach the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, which the title claims to donate to from proceeds as well, have not been successful.

 

 

If this turns out to be true... well.

You can't take the moral high-ground and be a scam artist at the same time.

 

 

Edit: That said I'd wait for more info on this before getting too riled up.

This looks to me like more anti-feminist propaganda, are there other links that support this?

Some journalist called her for a statement regarding it, she hung up on him, which isn't damning, she's been through a lot. But right after she removed references to iFred from the depression quest page.

[Shallow]

I'm going to not assume guilt just yet here, it just seems unbelievably stupid of her to not just donate some absurdly small percentage to IFred and thus avoid potential legal issues.

[BruceVC]

I'm going to not assume guilt just yet here, it just seems unbelievably stupid of her to not just donate some absurdly small percentage to IFred and thus avoid potential legal issues.

 

I think Zoe needs to make a full statement around this, the reality is I hope this link is wrong because this will effect her credibility even more. But more important it will negatively effect the various causes she espouses as some people will  dismiss the cause or the movement when they should be judging the person.

[Namutree]

 

I'm going to not assume guilt just yet here, it just seems unbelievably stupid of her to not just donate some absurdly small percentage to IFred and thus avoid potential legal issues.

 

I think Zoe needs to make a full statement around this, the reality is I hope this link is wrong because this will effect her credibility even more. But more important it will negatively effect the various causes she espouses as some people will  dismiss the cause or the movement when they should be judging the person.

 

I know how that feels. Very annoying.

[kirottu]

 

 

Oh dear.

Oh wow.

 

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216873

Depression Quest has yet to donate any funds to IFred and the charity does not recognize Depression Quest as a partner. Attempts to reach the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, which the title claims to donate to from proceeds as well, have not been successful.

 

If this turns out to be true... well.

You can't take the moral high-ground and be a scam artist at the same time.

 

 

Edit: That said I'd wait for more info on this before getting too riled up.

This looks to me like more anti-feminist propaganda, are there other links that support this?

Some journalist called her for a statement regarding it, she hung up on him, which isn't damning, she's been through a lot. But right after she removed references to iFred from the depression quest page.

 

 

Why remove references? Why wouldn't she just donate some money? 

[BruceVC]

So what's the lowdown gentlemen, are we still subhumans in need of extermination or have we got a new label courtesy of the self appointed moral guardians of the "gaming press?"

 

Nonek what term do you prefer, subhuman or knuckle dragging cavemen ? 

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

Oh dear.

Oh wow.

 

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216873

Depression Quest has yet to donate any funds to IFred and the charity does not recognize Depression Quest as a partner. Attempts to reach the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, which the title claims to donate to from proceeds as well, have not been successful.

 

If this turns out to be true... well.

You can't take the moral high-ground and be a scam artist at the same time.

 

 

Edit: That said I'd wait for more info on this before getting too riled up.

This looks to me like more anti-feminist propaganda, are there other links that support this?

Some journalist called her for a statement regarding it, she hung up on him, which isn't damning, she's been through a lot. But right after she removed references to iFred from the depression quest page.

 

 

Why remove references? Why wouldn't she just donate some money? 

 

 

Well we don't know if its true yet? Surly we need to see more evidence that support this claim?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

 

 

Oh dear.

Oh wow.

 

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216873

Depression Quest has yet to donate any funds to IFred and the charity does not recognize Depression Quest as a partner. Attempts to reach the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, which the title claims to donate to from proceeds as well, have not been successful.

 

If this turns out to be true... well.

You can't take the moral high-ground and be a scam artist at the same time.

 

 

Edit: That said I'd wait for more info on this before getting too riled up.

This looks to me like more anti-feminist propaganda, are there other links that support this?

Some journalist called her for a statement regarding it, she hung up on him, which isn't damning, she's been through a lot. But right after she removed references to iFred from the depression quest page.

Why remove references? Why wouldn't she just donate some money?

Because that would require being honorable and principled.

[Shallow]

 

Because that would require being honorable and principled.

Donating a dollar or two in order to technically not be committing fraud isn't really what I'd define as honorable or principled, it's what I'd define as having the least bit of a brain, which is why I don't fully believe this, it is an extraordinarily stupid mistake that could've been easily avoided for next to nothing.

[kirottu]

 

 

 

 

Oh dear.

Oh wow.

 

http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216873

Depression Quest has yet to donate any funds to IFred and the charity does not recognize Depression Quest as a partner. Attempts to reach the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, which the title claims to donate to from proceeds as well, have not been successful.

 

If this turns out to be true... well.

You can't take the moral high-ground and be a scam artist at the same time.

 

 

Edit: That said I'd wait for more info on this before getting too riled up.

This looks to me like more anti-feminist propaganda, are there other links that support this?

Some journalist called her for a statement regarding it, she hung up on him, which isn't damning, she's been through a lot. But right after she removed references to iFred from the depression quest page.

 

 

Why remove references? Why wouldn't she just donate some money? 

 

 

Well we don't know if its true yet? Surly we need to see more evidence that support this claim?

 

 

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well we don't know if its true yet? Surly we need to see more evidence that support this claim?

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what you expect this proves? The allegation is that Zoe Quinn has donated nothing to a charity that her game was suppose to. Where is the evidence that she hasn't? What if she donated money through a different named company, so in other words the donations did happen but not through the name "Depression Quest"

 

I know it sounds like I'm defending her but until we have all the facts you shouldn't be bringing out the tar and feathers quite yet

[Orogun01]

@Bruce: Milo Yaplapadingdong (he has a complex last name) found through someone else that there was that discrepancy on the websites. After calling both sites and making it clear that there wasn't any arrangement between them and Zoey for the money to go to charity, he tried calling her to get her side of the story. She hung up. There is also the fact that Anita might be lying about making a statement to the police since the PD from her area doesn't have a call on record. He is doing an FOIA to see if there are any records of the call.

Also, /v/ collectively orgasmed when after the events of today Milo did an appearance on the board. There were jokes and offers of fellatio all around, and cake...there was cake too.

@Shallow: Welcome to the forums please state your political affiliation, although you seem to be on the SJW side of things. Which is a good thing because Bruce is getting tired.
 

[Ganrich]

I agree with Bruce here. Not enough information can be gleaned from the website images. She could have, upon payment, split a percentage into another account with a different name and forwarded it from there.

 

Her taking down the promise of donating is very suspicious though. As is her silence on the matter. I have to wait and see if more comes out on the issue before forming an opinion.

 

I really wish she would go away as she isn't pertinent to the issue anymore, but was only catalyst for the whole debacle.

[Shallow]

@Shallow: Welcome to the forums please state your political affiliation, although you seem to be on the SJW side of things. Which is a good thing because Bruce is getting tired.

 

Thanks, I'm hardly SJW though, I'm very libertarian.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

Because that would require being honorable and principled.

Donating a dollar or two in order to technically not be committing fraud isn't really what I'd define as honorable or principled, it's what I'd define as having the least bit of a brain, which is why I don't fully believe this, it is an extraordinarily stupid mistake that could've been easily avoided for next to nothing.

I think the fact that she did advertised she was giving the money to a specific charity when she had not arranged anything with the charity and trying to derail TFYC and the Five Guys Saga shows she doesn't have a bit of honor or a shred of principle.

 

Though I really don't care about her. I'm frankly more concerned about the lack of journalistic integreity or standards in video game journalism. Which affects me personally as a player of video games.

Edited September 12, 2014 by KaineParker

[Shallow]

I think the fact that she did advertised she was giving the money to a specific charity when she had not arranged anything with the charity and trying to derail TFYC and the Five Guys Saga shows she doesn't have a bit of honor or a shred of principle.

 

Though I really don't care about her. I'm frankly more concerned about the lack of journalistic integreity or standards in video game journalism. Which affects me personally as a player of video games.

 

Yeah, she isn't exactly my idea of an honorable, principled, person, but that doesn't mean she's stupid enough to risk being charged with fraud when she never defined the amount she'd give, nor claimed she had an actual arrangement (at least from what I understand, she never said she'd spoken with them, just that she'd give them money), and thus could appear clean in the eyes of the law whilst donating a dollar and pocketing everything else.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

I think the fact that she did advertised she was giving the money to a specific charity when she had not arranged anything with the charity and trying to derail TFYC and the Five Guys Saga shows she doesn't have a bit of honor or a shred of principle.

 

Though I really don't care about her. I'm frankly more concerned about the lack of journalistic integreity or standards in video game journalism. Which affects me personally as a player of video games.

 

Yeah, she isn't exactly my idea of an honorable, principled, person, but that doesn't mean she's stupid enough to risk being charged with fraud when she never defined the amount she'd give, nor claimed she had an actual arrangement (at least from what I understand, she never said she'd spoken with them, just that she'd give them money), and thus could appear clean in the eyes of the law whilst donating a dollar and pocketing everything else.

I think it's fair to say that what is legal isn't always moral. As it is, attempting to derail TFYC was bad enough.

[Lexx]

Keep in mind, it's still possible that she simply forgot about this and now she removed the text part in panic. It's bad, yes, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it was done on purpose right from the beginning.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Lexx

[Namutree]

I'm gonna go ahead and agree with Bruce that we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Fortune favors the cautious.

[kirottu]

Zoe has made a post saying that she switched charities on august 11th, and donations were made under different name.