"Maidan" in US

[obyknven]

Own "Maidan" in US is started

http://youtu.be/LhJ6H9vlEDA

 

http://youtu.be/n-vZ48WSJrA

Description of video

 

Nevada militia is mobilizing!
Things you NEED !
A Good attitude for good morale !! a rifle or shot gun + ammo & extra mags ! a camera ! hiking or combat boots, binoculars or a scope, maps or GPS & cell phone-
( cell signal can be shielded with tinfoil, no joke look it up ! ) water + electrolytes-
( coconut water & bananas are awesome easy to come by electrolytes ) ! a good night sleep the day before + healthy meals, lightweight loose fitting long sleeve clothing + hat or shades, cool weather clothing or sleeping bag ( for cool desert nights, temp will drop at night ! ) flash light, batteries for gear, bush knife or combat knife, some first aid, money for supplies on the road or in town Nevada, THE SPOT, rally pointhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_S...
Recommended items !
Bull horns, load baring vest, body armor, portable communication devices,
side arms / pistols + ammo & extra mags, tent & camp chairs, portable tank of gas for vehicle,
portable water purifier, more guns, ammo, water & first aid for those that don't have.
!! Rules and Tactics !!
Watch your step,( snakes and scorpions. )
And if you want to hit anything...
Zero your weapon for 50 or 100 yards if you haven't already.
Know your holdovers at range-
( Do your Zero off and before you hit the battle zone,
plenty of space out there for that. )
Some CQB action but lot's of open range **** out there !
( !! Leave Your **** In The Car !!) - till we know the game plan !
Make contact with the locales & plan with them !
( Remember it's their town their rules ! )
Do recon and get a feel for the land.
Communicate & Spread out in 2, 3 or 4 man teems.
Any offensive strike MUST be reserved for Day time !!
(we can not hope to compete against their FLIR Systems, Thermal Imaging & Night Vision Capabilities at night)
Go time
(!! Check Your Fire !! NO FRIENDLY FIRE !!),
Hit from behind when ever possible.
! Aim ! and DON'T spray and pray !
Stay focused & calm !
Cover fire, move and give first aid to a brother in need !!

Obama must be happy, democracy come to his country also.

[Walsingham]

My first thought was "What the hell has Afghanistan got to do with Nevada?"

 

Turns out there are several Maidans.

 

EDIT: Also, calm the **** down. As if this is the first time a militia has tried to stage a local coup. And it won't be the last.

Edited April 11, 2014 by Walsingham

[Drowsy Emperor]

I don't understand what the guy's case is, from what I understand he let his cattle graze on federal land and didn't pay the tax for it.

[213374U]

 

Um. The first video shows that a few outnumbered law enforcement officers are unwilling to escalate the situation after confronting an angry crowd in the middle of nowhere. Some seemed willing to talk it down but after the the failed tasering, the crowd isn't exactly receptive. I'm actually impressed that no one was beaten down and arrested. I suppose reinforcements were dispatched shortly after? I chuckled when the guy recording said "I'm recording your brutality". When adrenaline kicks in it's hard to remember that cops are people too.

 

Yeah. Wake me up when they take over the city hall and the local precinct.

[Mor]

EDIT: Also, calm the **** down. As if this is the first time a militia has tried to stage a local coup. And it won't be the last.

I'd go further and say that coup is a little strong word for something that looks like it was uploaded an written by some COD kid.

 

I don't understand what the guy's case is, from what I understand he let his cattle graze on federal land and didn't pay the tax for it.

I don't know, but it is reference to Euromaiden and the thread is missing the oby warning image.

[obyknven]

I don't understand what the guy's case is, from what I understand he let his cattle graze on federal land and didn't pay the tax for it.

 

This happen in Nevada today also. Looks like people just don't like government.

http://youtu.be/rBq5VFm-oeY

[obyknven]

Moar info

http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/the-world-against-the-feds-at-the-bundy-ranch-in-nevada/

http://youtu.be/RPXezBfrW3I

[Keyrock]

I came in here to get Iron Maiden US Tour dates.  I am disappoint.

[HoonDing]

Free Michigan!!!

[Lexx]

Heh, bunch of idiots in the desert. Move along, nothing to see here.

[Gorgon]

Big story on North Korean state TV RT

[NOK222]

When adrenaline kicks in it's hard to remember that cops are people too.

 

Well, when you're getting tasered in the face, that line becomes blurry. 

 

Anywho,

 

"My family's been here for blah blah years...."

 

Oh, if we go back far enough. 

 

[Valsuelm]

'Maidan' Oby?

Edited April 12, 2014 by Valsuelm

[teknoman2]

as Leo said in a movie where he played the filthy rich CEO "i dont want you to bribe the senator. i want this done legaly... i want you to buy him!"

and yes ladies and gentlemen, this is how modern democracy works everywhere.

[Valsuelm]

I don't understand what the guy's case is, from what I understand he let his cattle graze on federal land and didn't pay the tax for it.

 

This isn't an easy one to explain as there are many facets to the situation, just about all of which are outside the realm of the knowledge of your average layman. Probably the biggest one though is the issue of jurisdiction over the land Bundy's family has had their cattle grazing on for what he claims is close to a century and a half at this point. He contends that the BLM (Bureau of Land Management), a Federal agency created in 1946, has no jurisdiction over the land they claim to, as the Federal government has no jurisdiction there. Constitutionally, he is correct, however the reality is that most people are ignorant of this fact and that those that could best defend him, his local county and state government will likely not come to his aid. Sadly, and to the great detriment of many a person in the U.S., like some other parts of the U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 has been generally ignored by congress since the latter part of the 19th century, and with a few exceptions the States have not taken them to task over it, for a variety of reasons, though the 17th Amendment is probably the biggest. It is still definitely the law of the land though, just one that's often ignored, especially in the western U.S..

 

There is actually an ongoing lawsuit or two by some states (Utah is one, I can't recall the other(s) at the moment) to force the Federal government to relinquish their claims on the land within various states to which it really has no Constitutional authority, yet has been exercising it largely undisputed for quite some time (not as long as Bundy says he's been in Nevada though). I know it may come as a shock to most (and the ignorant probably wouldn't believe it or ever do their homework to see that it's true), but most of what is considered Federal land within the U.S., Constitutionally belongs to whatever state that land happens to be in, with that state, it's counties, and municipalities have jurisdiction therein (Bundy has said he'd have no problem paying grazing fees to Clark County or Nevada itself). Over the years some states have sued over a piece of it here or there, and even won, but they've not sued for all of it until recently. There is a growing movement for this to be done in the various states where it's an issue (generally the western states as earlier in the nations history when the more eastern states were admitted to the Union, Congress still heeded the Constitution quite a bit better than it did towards the end of the 19th century, during the 20th, and now.)

 

On legal grounds, Bundy's situation is indirectly on a huge issue, though there is potential for direct influence in at least some small manner. At the end of the day he will unfortunately unlikely win his personal battle in regards to his ranch and cattle, but in the long run what is currently happening in Nevada may have some affect on the aforementioned ongoing lawsuits and influence potential new ones. Many states in general are increasingly apt to sue the Federal government of overreach of it's Constitutional power in recent years. This is a trend that is likely to continue to grow as there is increasing resistance/backlash to the overreach as it grows amongst State and local governments throughout the U.S., and of course amongst it's people.

 

There are a number of other aspects to Bundy's situation, as well as the jurisdictional aspect of it that I mention above. Tortoises, environmentalists, solar farms, probable government corruption, and possibly oil being some of them. Bundy's situation aside, the BLM has in the past been involved in some very shady things in regards to the use of the land it claims jurisdiction over (some good recent examples are pointed out in the documentary 'Gasland', which concerns the practice of hydraulic fracturing for oil/natural gases).

Edited April 12, 2014 by Valsuelm

[Walsingham]

So what you're basically saying is that this is a legal issue, which is being dealt with legally. In a country with a robust if imperfect legal system.

 

With some associated angry people.

 

Who haven't actually shot anyone or anything.

[Orogun01]

So what you're basically saying is that this is a legal issue, which is being dealt with legally. In a country with a robust if imperfect legal system.

 

With some associated angry people.

 

Who haven't actually shot anyone or anything.

I think you need to put quotation marks on the "dealt" part, the state seems to not know or care (worse yet if they condone it) and the government is far too big for any man to fight alone. Plus by the time you can take legal action the government will have likely taken hold and made use of the land and will be very unlikely to give it back. Ultimately seems a case of might becoming legal right.

[Walsingham]

I'm fascinated by your notion that no-one wins cases against the federal government. Please do continue.

[Guard Dog]

Looks like the federal Government and the BLM blinked: http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610

 

As Val pointed out this is not a simple issue. The land in question is not federal but state land. The state never ceded it to the Federal Government so where is BLM's standing to impose fees? It is legal to graze cattle in public land in Nevada and the family had been doing so long before the BLM came into existence. If anything then the state had standing to remove the cattle and/or impose fees but they never have done so. Bundy has said he'd pay range fees to Carson city but not Washington. I don't blame him.

 

Then the story breaks that the Senate Majority Leader wants that land to sell to a Chinese power company in a deal his own son would broker. That scent you are smelling is not cow manure. Why was that story not page one news? Oh, yeah, he's a Democrat. It's not corruption when a democrat is doing it apparently.

 

I find it telling the difference in behavior of the BLM agents when they knew no one was armed. Bundy's son was tasered, beaten, then arrested on a VERY questionable charge for video recoding the round up (which is perfectly legal). Now armed supporters and self titled "Militia Members" are pouring in from all over the west to support the Bundy family and the BLM becomes a little more circumspect. I am happy that cooler heads at the BLM have prevailed and they have backed down from what was quickly becoming a situation where an armed confrontation was likely, however had they been a little less bellicose and heavy handed it would not have gotten out of control this way. Unfortunately, government is force. it does not know any other way.

 

On a side note, do any of you still doubt that privately owned firearms can be an effective deterrent against government abuse? 

Edited April 13, 2014 by Guard Dog

[Orogun01]

I'm fascinated by your notion that no-one wins cases against the federal government. Please do continue.

If you think that being payed for your trouble while what has been taken from you is never to be returned is a victory, then yeah people do win.

[Walsingham]

 

On a side note, do any of you still doubt that privately owned firearms can be an effective deterrent against government abuse? 

 

By your own account it very nearly turned a legal conflict into one where people got shot.

 

Cow grazing is not worth killing anybody over.

[Valsuelm]

 

 

On a side note, do any of you still doubt that privately owned firearms can be an effective deterrent against government abuse? 

 

By your own account it very nearly turned a legal conflict into one where people got shot.

 

Cow grazing is not worth killing anybody over.

 

 

It's not about cow grazing....

 

... and tell that to the numerous government agents that every day bear arms, threaten physical violence, employ physical violence, threaten death, and sometimes murder all in the name of government, to enforce their or it's will.

 

In this situation an estimate 200 armed government agents with guns and other military gear showed up to corral some cows. This isn't a case of the chicken and the egg, the federal government initiated the threat of violence here.

Edited April 13, 2014 by Valsuelm

[Guard Dog]

 

 

On a side note, do any of you still doubt that privately owned firearms can be an effective deterrent against government abuse? 

 

By your own account it very nearly turned a legal conflict into one where people got shot.

 

Cow grazing is not worth killing anybody over.

 

There were beatings, taserings, intimidation, questionable arrests, snipers and armed agents around the Bundy Ranch. Then the armed citizens arrive and everyone becomes a little more respectful of each other. And they did it without brandishing those weapons, just making it known they had them. I am surprised by the government reaction to tell the truth. Usually when they are hell bent of seizing your property and freedom no matter the pretext their policy is to shoot everyone in sight indiscriminately. Ruby Ridge comes to mind where the penalty of missing a court date is summary executions of the entire family. 

 

Cows are not worth killing for. But defending freedom and property is. And it would be worth dying for if it came to that. Today those folks in Nevada drew a line in the sand and dared the BLM to step over it and God Bless them for doing it. The BLM declined and God bless them for that. But the confrontation is coming at some point. It's been building for years. To quote Thomas Jefferson "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground".

 

But not without a fight.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

On a side note, do any of you still doubt that privately owned firearms can be an effective deterrent against government abuse? 

 

By your own account it very nearly turned a legal conflict into one where people got shot.

 

Cow grazing is not worth killing anybody over.

 

There were beatings, taserings, intimidation, questionable arrests, snipers and armed agents around the Bundy Ranch. Then the armed citizens arrive and everyone becomes a little more respectful of each other. And they did it without brandishing those weapons, just making it known they had them. I am surprised by the government reaction to tell the truth. Usually when they are hell bent of seizing your property and freedom no matter the pretext their policy is to shoot everyone in sight indiscriminately. Ruby Ridge comes to mind where the penalty of missing a court date is summary executions of the entire family. 

 

Cows are not worth killing for. But defending freedom and property is. And it would be worth dying for if it came to that. Today those folks in Nevada drew a line in the sand and dared the BLM to step over it and God Bless them for doing it. The BLM declined and God bless them for that. But the confrontation is coming at some point. It's been building for years. To quote Thomas Jefferson "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground".

 

But not without a fight.

 

 

GD didn't you predict this ? When we start seeing the Federal government coming to take the homes and farms of good tax paying and god fearing Americans? This could be the beginning of the great and inexorable move by the Federal government to absorb or neutralize  anything that doesn't conform to its socialist policies. And I'm worried...you, Steph and Tommy could be next

 

But I think Walsie also has a point, because what could have been the outcome? What if one of the militia's had decided to provoke the Feds, its quite possible. One of the federal authorities gets shot by an extremist in order  to deliberately to cause a conflict. There would have been multiple casualties but end of the day the Feds would have won because obviously they have more manpower and access to better weaponry. This happened in South Africa 2 years ago during a  violent strike

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marikana_miners%27_strike

 

So having access to all  these weapons isn't necessarily a good thing as it can raise the confidence and temperature of a situation

[Mor]

Then the armed citizens arrive and everyone becomes a little more respectful of each other. And they did it without brandishing those weapons, just making it known they had them.

More respect? This why I tend to associate US gun owners with gun nut red necks. Even though I respect the right of gun enthusiasts worldwide to own gun and enjoy their hobby.

 

Guns don't give you respect, unless you mean the same kind of "respect" that you get in gang neighborhoods ...

 

 

"Guns"

 

 

 

The only guy there that deserved any kind of respect is the one who tried to defuse the situation and called for people to comply with orders. You want respect go to court and win, you don't get respect by sticking it to "the men" crying aggressors, because the government don't give a **** and "the men" you stick it to is a regular joe's like you with a very hard job to enforce a court decision. Extra points if you understand that your "protest" is meaningless and will change nothing, unless you effect anyone in power to effect court order, which is usually done by generating public outrage, in this case by agitating and escalating the situation to get coverage in the news.. so who needs the actual defending, you or the cops? as for the guys who feel they need to bring guns to the "party"(like that COD kid in second vid with his "rules of engagement"), you can chant second amendment all you want, but to me you are the same gun nuts like the ones you generally see in in middle eastern countries minus the shooting in the air and chanting Alah akbar.