tajerio Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Anita Sarkeesian; who won an ambassador award on GDC, has certainly used the terms rape culture and patriarchy. Terms which seem to originate within that "small"(I have no real knowledge of their numbers) minority. So it has every argument made related to feminism and games its laden with the same tones that belies their origin withing that minority. I'm not generalizing from a small sample, that small sample happens to be some of the leading feminists in what they call Third Wave feminism and it's being taught in Academia. Otherwise things like Patriarchy and Rape Culture wouldn't have come out from the fringe elements and into the mainstream. I have said before that rational feminism should either rebrand or come out against this insanity. In game culture it seems to have taken deep roots among a group of people who for some reason see it as reasonable or advantageous. Also; I get the feeling that this is turning into its own discussion and we are still on the DA thread. Although feminism and BW seem to go hand in hand nowadays. I still strongly disagree with your understanding of feminism but I'll agree that this particular discussion isn't strictly germane to DAI. So how about that Cullen romance, eh? From what I know of Cullen right now, it's totally repugnant to me. I thought he was basically a fascist goon in both of the previous games, so here's hoping he acquires some decent character for DAI.
Meshugger Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 *sigh* this again?! It's always the same thing: the boys do something on their own and suddenly the girls wants to tag along, but things have to change to accomodate the girls, because boys and girls think and behave differently. First they try it out, then the boys give up and move on to other things while the girls stay until they get curious about what those boys are up to now... So putting this into context of male game designers doing what they do and what they are interesting in, but suddenly that tit is too big for Daisy because it makes her feel sad about herself and now Johnny, who didn't pay that much attention, suddenly have to think about how other people would feel about his work or how it might affect the very culture he lives in. So now Johnny has to sacrifice his integrity to make everyone feel good about themselves because the best progress is made when all the Johnnys adapt themselves to the world around them. Or so Sally thought, how silly of her. Jack agrees with her, hoping that it will finally make her see that he is the one that she will give her first kiss to. Meanwhile we grownups are measuring the stars, studying medicine and are reading literature about the human condition. Sometimes we check on the children to see if they are behaving well and laugh at their antics. Oh look, Timmy is teasing Susie again, i wonder if they will become a real couple when they grow up... 7 "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
aluminiumtrioxid Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Meanwhile we grownups are measuring the stars, studying medicine and are reading literature about the human condition. Because being a scientist or a philosopher is obviously beyond the reach of anyone who might agree with the idea of feminism. Got it. 1 "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
Sarex Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Because being a scientist or a philosopher is obviously beyond the reach of anyone who might agree with the idea of feminism. Got it. That is your whole take away from what he said, sad... 1 "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP
Meshugger Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Meanwhile we grownups are measuring the stars, studying medicine and are reading literature about the human condition. Because being a scientist or a philosopher is obviously beyond the reach of anyone who might agree with the idea of feminism. Got it. Now, now, settle down there. I hope that i am not taking the matter too personally for you my good sir, but surely you were taught at your local academy that it is quite ungentlemanly and a bit impolite to put words into other peoples mouths, were you not? In no way did i mention that all men who agree with feminism do so in order to get into girls knickers, just some, or only Jack. Back to things that really matter, namely the female anatomy in Bioware games. While i highly appriciate it, i find it quite immature that a game tries to take itself seriously with the same gags as in pornography. Uncensored plowing in captains cabin is welcome if it matters to the narrative on the relationship between the character and the rest of the crew, or to the story. Sadly, as demonstrated earlier with Mirandas buttocks in ME2, they do not quite get it. As for DA:I, i have seen no indication of that sort rubbish included there, and i am thankful for it. As for trying to politize gender in an artist's creation? Now that is just plain vulgar. 1 "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
tajerio Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Meanwhile we grownups are measuring the stars, studying medicine and are reading literature about the human condition. Because being a scientist or a philosopher is obviously beyond the reach of anyone who might agree with the idea of feminism. Got it. Now, now, settle down there. I hope that i am not taking the matter too personally for you my good sir, but surely you were taught at your local academy that it is quite ungentlemanly and a bit impolite to put words into other peoples mouths, were you not? In no way did i mention that all men who agree with feminism do so in order to get into girls knickers, just some, or only Jack. Can't blame him for taking it personally, can you? I mean, the massively condescending viewpoint you articulated is one of the reasons why gender equality still doesn't exist. Particularly this example: As for trying to politize gender in an artist's creation? Now that is just plain vulgar. As if art can't both reflect and reinforce social mores. 1
Bryy Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 If you have no cause in your life to rally around apart from witch-hunting in a very transitory medium that predominantly caters to teenagers, then your life is in serious trouble bro. I shouldn't be so surprised that I get so many personal attacks for simply stating an opinion.
licketysplit Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 (edited) As if art can't both reflect and reinforce social mores. It's not obligated to, and in Bioware's games too often comes off as forced. I'd rather they stick with consistent story telling than trying to satisfy a social agenda. To anyone following the game closer than I've been, have they revealed all the companions yet? Edited April 12, 2014 by licketysplit 2
Bryy Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 *sigh* this again?! It's always the same thing: the boys do something on their own and suddenly the girls wants to tag along, but things have to change to accomodate the girls, because boys and girls think and behave differently. First they try it out, then the boys give up and move on to other things while the girls stay until they get curious about what those boys are up to now... So putting this into context of male game designers doing what they do and what they are interesting in, but suddenly that tit is too big for Daisy because it makes her feel sad about herself and now Johnny, who didn't pay that much attention, suddenly have to think about how other people would feel about his work or how it might affect the very culture he lives in. So now Johnny has to sacrifice his integrity to make everyone feel good about themselves because the best progress is made when all the Johnnys adapt themselves to the world around them. Or so Sally thought, how silly of her. Jack agrees with her, hoping that it will finally make her see that he is the one that she will give her first kiss to. Meanwhile we grownups are measuring the stars, studying medicine and are reading literature about the human condition. Sometimes we check on the children to see if they are behaving well and laugh at their antics. Oh look, Timmy is teasing Susie again, i wonder if they will become a real couple when they grow up... ... really? For the sake of argument, I'm not going to comment. But please. Do be more condescending and patronizing when arguing your point. 1
Meshugger Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 The truth might sting and hurt a bit, but it is alright. We have all been there. But alas, tomorrow you will all feel better; with the air will feeling cleaner as you take a deep breath, the food will taste better, and you will love yourselves and everyone else even more. 2 "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
tajerio Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 As if art can't both reflect and reinforce social mores. It's not obligated to, and in Bioware's games too often comes off as forced. I'd rather they stick with consistent story telling than trying to satisfy a social agenda. To anyone following the game closer than I've been, have they revealed all the companions yet? Oh agreed absolutely. I certainly don't want BioWare trying to tell me a social justice epic--I'm just saying that when making a game, developers can't be tone deaf about the choices they make in presenting characters and situations. They haven't revealed all the companions yet by any means. Only three of them (Varric, Cassandra, Vivienne) officially out of a total of nine. There are varying degrees of certainty as to who the remaining six are, from "practically guaranteed" to "wow, I really really hope my favorite character from the novels/comics shows up!"
tajerio Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 (edited) The truth might sting and hurt a bit, but it is alright. We have all been there. But alas, tomorrow you will all feel better; with the air will feeling cleaner as you take a deep breath, the food will taste better, and you will love yourselves and everyone else even more. Might I suggest you take your own advice? Edited April 12, 2014 by tajerio
NOK222 Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Ja, this is fantastic. I'm only gonna chime in on this. It's not obligated to, and in Bioware's games too often comes off as forced. I'd rather they stick with consistent story telling than trying to satisfy a social agenda. Thank you, discussion over, can we please get back on topic please? 2 Ka-ka-ka-ka-Cocaine!
Meshugger Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 As for trying to politize gender in an artist's creation? Now that is just plain vulgar. As if art can't both reflect and reinforce social mores. Ofcourse it can, but so far i have only seen vulgar results. In Bioware's case they better not bother to either, judging by the type people on their forums. But in the case of the three companions presented so far, i have seen little of that. Which is nice. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Bryy Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Ja, this is fantastic. I'm only gonna chime in on this. It's not obligated to, and in Bioware's games too often comes off as forced. I'd rather they stick with consistent story telling than trying to satisfy a social agenda. Thank you, discussion over, can we please get back on topic please? Considering BW is a Social Justice Death Star, this is pretty much on-topic. 3
NOK222 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 I know right. Actually, Alanchu if you're listening, thank you for banning me. You're always welcome to unban me though. Ka-ka-ka-ka-Cocaine!
Bryy Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 I know right. Actually, Alanchu if you're listening, thank you for banning me. You're always welcome to unban me though. That always works.
ManifestedISO Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Where is that Canadian, anyway. Haven't seen him for weeks. Probably has a job, or something. Or making a new Allan Plays Goat Simulator. All Stop. On Screen.
BruceVC Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Where is that Canadian, anyway. Haven't seen him for weeks. Probably has a job, or something. Or making a new Allan Plays Goat Simulator. I miss him as well, he said he was taking a break from the Obsidian forums "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
licketysplit Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Allan had wimpy arguments. I mean..he worked for EA and all, I get it. But damn, he had no spine on issues. Take a f*cking stand already.
BruceVC Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Allan had wimpy arguments. I mean..he worked for EA and all, I get it. But damn, he had no spine on issues. Take a f*cking stand already. Its funny but I never saw his posts like that. I thought he was always logical and reasonable with his comments. He also made some of the most informed and convincing points around issues of social justice. So I miss his input 3 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Bos_hybrid Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 We really don't need to worry about bioware toning down the looks of women. This is the company that gave us the Asari. A race of lesbian aliens whose boobs aged like wine. Now having traps appear in DA, that is a very real and present danger. Good luck Bruce! 3
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 A Chaotic Neutral Barbarian has no fear of traps, for he sodomizes everything in sight! "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Orogun01 Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 Crazy should be its own alignment. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
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