alanschu Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Obsidian is wasting the opportunity of making meaningful romances the right way (avoiding silencing romanceable characters who are not romanced, for instance) and taking the easy way out. It kind of makes me fear for how much of a focus on dialogue and story there will REALLY be in the game, after all, since most of the arguments against romances can be made for all optional dialogue trees (be they a path of friendship, rivalry, etc.), and I believe most if not all backers, even those against romances, would like those in the game. I think that this is your imagination getting a bit carried away with potential slippery slopes. I disagree that this would be an indicator that the writing may not be of quality, the same way that I disagree that I game cannot be mature unless it contains the usual uncomfortable topics.
makryu Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 I think that this is your imagination getting a bit carried away with potential slippery slopes. I disagree that this would be an indicator that the writing may not be of quality, the same way that I disagree that I game cannot be mature unless it contains the usual uncomfortable topics. I never said the writing would not be of quality. I did question whether this could be a sign of a game less focused in dialogue and story, since the same reasons used to ditch romances can be used to ditch other dialogue-related optional paths. After all, people can say what they want about romances, but their presence is usually related with an attempt to add more options to non-combat interactions within a game, in other words, to make the player focus in something other than combat.
Auxilius Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 You guys are right, Mods can add some exciting enhancements to Romance options so those are good suggestions. I never understand this aversion to adult mods in RPG. So its okay to kill children, use magic, slaughter hundreds of humanoid creatures and other humans, summon demons and basically commit gratuitous acts of violence with your party but the thought of your characters in a party experiencing nudity or sex is somehow considered profane and perverse Yeah right..... Well... First: putting sex and violence on the same level is a logical fallacy. Violence is a power fantasy while sex is a basic desire. Second: violence serves a purpose in video games as they provide obstacles. No violence, no video game. Can't say the same for sex. Third: there is a difference between nudity and prostitution. Fourth: peer pressure. Your friend walk in your room seeing you shooting bad guys, he will want to join in the fun. He sees you watching badly rendered characters in the nude, he will want to get you out of the room. Fifth: as far as violence and sex are part on our life, one is frowned upon while the other is healthy to have. Therefore, vidoe games are naturally accepted as a way to get the satisfaction that comes with violence without harming anybody. To kill for entertainment is harmless. Sixth: we're talking about a RPG where the focus is on story and characterization anyway, not violence and sex. Seventh: many people asked for the possibility to have a Pacifist Run, as they considered this more satisfying. I can go on if you want. "Yeah, right", indeed. 3
Malcador Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) You guys are right, Mods can add some exciting enhancements to Romance options so those are good suggestions. I never understand this aversion to adult mods in RPG. So its okay to kill children, use magic, slaughter hundreds of humanoid creatures and other humans, summon demons and basically commit gratuitous acts of violence with your party but the thought of your characters in a party experiencing nudity or sex is somehow considered profane and perverse Yeah right..... Think most see it as silly and unnecessary rather than perverse. Though the dedication some have to see romances and sex in games does say something about them. You people still not giving up on this ? Edited February 22, 2014 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
BruceVC Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 I You guys are right, Mods can add some exciting enhancements to Romance options so those are good suggestions. I never understand this aversion to adult mods in RPG. So its okay to kill children, use magic, slaughter hundreds of humanoid creatures and other humans, summon demons and basically commit gratuitous acts of violence with your party but the thought of your characters in a party experiencing nudity or sex is somehow considered profane and perverse Yeah right..... Well... First: putting sex and violence on the same level is a logical fallacy. Violence is a power fantasy while sex is a basic desire. Second: violence serves a purpose in video games as they provide obstacles. No violence, no video game. Can't say the same for sex. Third: there is a difference between nudity and prostitution. Fourth: peer pressure. Your friend walk in your room seeing you shooting bad guys, he will want to join in the fun. He sees you watching badly rendered characters in the nude, he will want to get you out of the room. Fifth: as far as violence and sex are part on our life, one is frowned upon while the other is healthy to have. Therefore, vidoe games are naturally accepted as a way to get the satisfaction that comes with violence without harming anybody. To kill for entertainment is harmless. Sixth: we're talking about a RPG where the focus is on story and characterization anyway, not violence and sex. Seventh: many people asked for the possibility to have a Pacifist Run, as they considered this more satisfying. I can go on if you want. "Yeah, right", indeed. Nah, adult mods are just part of the RPG experience the same as any component like a long list of spells or the ability to choose 6 races. Or any of the other things I mentioned like if you want to destroy a village and slaughter its humanoid inhabitants. You are one moralizing and suggesting that people who like Adult Mods are creepy, this means nothing as you aren't in any position to tell someone else what there RPG experience in a game should be and you have no idea why people use adults mods. Sorry PS I generally use the enhanced prostitution mod's in games like F:NV...I hope this doesn't make me creepy "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
tajerio Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 PS I generally use the enhanced prostitution mod's in games like F:NV...I hope this doesn't make me creepy Doesn't make you creepy, but it does make me question your taste. Or would, if I didn't already.
alanschu Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) I think that this is your imagination getting a bit carried away with potential slippery slopes. I disagree that this would be an indicator that the writing may not be of quality, the same way that I disagree that I game cannot be mature unless it contains the usual uncomfortable topics. I never said the writing would not be of quality. I did question whether this could be a sign of a game less focused in dialogue and story, since the same reasons used to ditch romances can be used to ditch other dialogue-related optional paths. Apologies. I guess I considered a game with less focus on dialogue and story to be one with less quality in the writing. You're right that the same reasons used to ditch romances can be used to ditch other dialogue options. The same reasons used to ditch romances can also be cause for having alternative dialogue options. In other words, they've decided to focus their dialogue on other things than romance arcs. After all, people can say what they want about romances, but their presence is usually related with an attempt to add more options to non-combat interactions within a game, in other words, to make the player focus in something other than combat. I'm not actually a fan of romances myself (the only ones I think I definitively enjoyed were the ones in BG2) because I think they are difficult to execute for a variety of reasons. The other ones I appreciate are Planescape: Torment's, which some don't even consider romances, because of how low key they were. I do expect the game to still be pretty combat heavy though, mostly because the IE games typically were (even Torment had a good chunk of combat, though it was to the game's detriment in my opinion). Edited February 22, 2014 by alanschu
Ulquiorra Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) Then prostitution. I wish I was kinding but the sheer popularity of these mods on Nexus made me lose all hope in humanity. Or at least in the Elder Scrolls community since the Fallout games seem to have been spared the atrocity. Nothing that can be modded will be spared creepy sex mods. And realy is it bothering you so much that you can't lett it down ? Seriusly, if some one mods the game and then relises a mode, then i don't understand why it's bothering you so much. I personaly think that you must be one of those guys that play does mods actually, but actually in the eyes of the other you try to look as "non-sex-mods-fan" becouse it's in some way emberasing you ... Seriusly ... if someone like to made his game inu a porn then why not let him ? Uleas he is forceing you to watch. Besides, how many games has does type of mod ? Sims 3, New Vegas, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and oblivion ... yeah ... 99% of games ever made ! In my opinion it's better to alow the player to have "low quality" sex mods, becouse it's also adds an possibility of having better ones ... for example how many bug fixing, quest/companion/localization adding mods for skyrim are and how many sex mods 2-3 ? Think most see it as silly and unnecessary rather than perverse. Though the dedication some have to see romances and sex in games does say something about them. You people still not giving up on this ? hmm... in the poll if i recall there where abou 3 hundret people FOR romances and 1 hundred aginst, so MOST people want romances 3 peoples want 1 don't. Sill this one person can play the game not engadeing in romance (even i biowere games if i recall). The olny reason, why most people seeing this topic think that "there are more romance haters then pro-romancers" is that the most trolls, and illogical Zealots are on the "romance haters" side. As we see in the first 6 pages of this topic there are more trolling then "conversation". So many of people that woud like to see romance are not wasteing their time with discussion with such persons (and for examle im not talking about you) So calling people that whoud like to see romances "there is something with them" is a bit silly. And even sex in my opinion in not "weird" becouse today games are more like interactiv videos then "mario bros" type of games. The last question "why people are not giving up on this ?" Becouse their where never fighting or "pushing" obsidian to do them. If obsidian sad that thay will not do them then thats okey, but still it doesn't meat that all pro-romancers must "shut-up" becouse some zealots don't like it, this is still a topic even if not "about adding romances" then for "why they cut that out" or "why i think they are doin't wrong" or "why i think that inputing romances whoud make this game better" or as you "why people ar still consern about this" or as some of you people "yeaaahh... proromancers ... DIE" ... Proromancers are not talking to them selfs, Coversation must be done on two sides (there must be more then 1 side of view, and people that are pushing them). And the most funny thing is that the most posts in this thred are made by people that don't want romances (both logical, zealots, trolls, etc) so they are mosty pushing this conversation foreword.. not proromancers ... Edited February 22, 2014 by Ulquiorra
ManifestedISO Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 PS I generally use the enhanced prostitution mod's in games like F:NV...I hope this doesn't make me creepy Doesn't make you creepy, but it does make me question your taste. Or would, if I didn't already. Me too. I think ... ah, yes, I have just switched camps. All Stop. On Screen.
Hiro Protagonist II Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 Wait, so the topic called 'the case for romance', isn't about making the case for romance and wasn't a reaction to the no romances confirmed. Doesn't change the fact that an objective analysis of the implementation of romance in video games is relevant to the "general discussion" of a video game that has decided there will not be romance. First of there was nothing objective about it. Secondly it's an equivalent to a thread about how much better turn based combat is. It's irrelevant to PE now. Maybe some people should start threads on The case for Turn Based combat and use science behind it. It wouldn't be trolling or anything because it's an objective analysis of TB combat in video games and relevant to the "general discussion" of a video game that has decided there will not be any Turn Based combat. The same with starting threads for the case of other things that won't be in PoE and using science. 1
alanschu Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 I'm pretty sure some threads on TB combat did pop up even though the game was stated to be using RTWP. Check out the Numenera forums too!
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 I'm pretty sure some threads on TB combat did pop up even though the game was stated to be using RTWP. Check out the Numenera forums too! You would be right. I recall seeing several threads asking for TB in the first few months after the kickstarter. Then we had some guy who claimed that TB was for people who liked challenge while RTwP was for people who liked story or something like that. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
BruceVC Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 m PS I generally use the enhanced prostitution mod's in games like F:NV...I hope this doesn't make me creepy Doesn't make you creepy, but it does make me question your taste. Or would, if I didn't already. For the record I have no idea if there is such a thing as an "advanced prostitution " mod. I was just making a point. I don't like blanket generalisations about people when you have no idea why they choose something in an RPG and that's what Auxilius was doing when he suggested that people who use Adult Mods are creepy. "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
PrimeJunta Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 I like sax and violins. I have a project. It's a tabletop RPG. It's free. It's a work in progress. Find it here: www.brikoleur.com
GrayAngel Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) People there will be no romance in this game so ye there's go my BG2 exp. But you know what all this game look more and more like NWN2 married with ID where is part from P:T and BG2 i don't know and with George now is not in as a writer and Chris (good as he is but doing so much right now) i really freaking scared for Project Eternity. I know there be prostitution that what they think is mature like common your excuse is maturity is not about f***ing but there will be this is just stupid. I know that Chris have so much power over you if there is no romance at least make it like Mira in KOTOR 2 with was great no like nothing at all that just bad writing. Edited February 23, 2014 by GrayAngel
PIP-Clownboy Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 I can't wait till this game becomes pornified. Heh, I originally read this as 'ponified' while shuddering. 1
Monte Carlo Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 Thought I'd pop in. BTW there are no romances in this game. It's been confirmed. Y'know, just in case it was news. 1
Ulquiorra Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Thought I'd pop in. BTW there are no romances in this game. It's been confirmed. Y'know, just in case it was news. No there are, but not with PC. How can you tell there are not shot-gun wedding or "farmers daughter" roamce or romance between one companion with another, if you are not a dev and don't played that game ? You are still Trolling ? Edited February 23, 2014 by Ulquiorra
SqueakyCat Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 No there are, but not with PC. How can you tell there are not shot-gun wedding or "farmers daughter" roamce or romance between one companion with another, if you are not a dev and don't played that game ? You are still Trolling ? Please try to move past Stage 1 in the grieving process (denial) and go directly to Stage 5 - acceptance. It's the healthy thing to do. 3
Ulquiorra Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 Please try to move past Stage 1 in the grieving process (denial) and go directly to Stage 5 - acceptance. It's the healthy thing to do. yhm ... So you to are a dev that knows that all people in a game are not loving anyone and don't have sex ? From what source ? You are a dev or you just think that you eaten all mind in universe and if you did not show this on a game forume then you will not be the coolest trolls ever lived ?
Walsingham Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 Thought I'd pop in. BTW there are no romances in this game. It's been confirmed. Y'know, just in case it was news. I'll just have to add my own. Like when I visit the petrol station. 1 "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
Monte Carlo Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 No there are, but not with PC. How can you tell there are not shot-gun wedding or "farmers daughter" roamce or romance between one companion with another, if you are not a dev and don't played that game ? You are still Trolling ? Please try to move past Stage 1 in the grieving process (denial) and go directly to Stage 5 - acceptance. It's the healthy thing to do. QFT
Ulquiorra Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 No there are, but not with PC. How can you tell there are not shot-gun wedding or "farmers daughter" roamce or romance between one companion with another, if you are not a dev and don't played that game ? You are still Trolling ? Please try to move past Stage 1 in the grieving process (denial) and go directly to Stage 5 - acceptance. It's the healthy thing to do. QFT SMD
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 I just found out there is a bg2 mod that lets you sex Firkraag. I'm disturbed someone used their time to implement that. 3 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Ulquiorra Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 I just found out there is a bg2 mod that lets you sex Firkraag. I'm disturbed someone used their time to implement that. And im amused that someone was looking for them them and waste their time for that, they can only post on some topic in forum. Unleass you where looking for it for your own ... lets say "purpuse" 1
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