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Watching little bits as I wander back and forth around the house. So far the best stuff is watching those hunky speed skaters :dancing: and a shoe commercial that used the theme to Underdog as its music. Haha.

 

I did finally realize last night that it was mostly opening ceremony stuff...for some reason I thought it had already started a day or two ago or something. So that explained that. I felt a little bad that the one light ring didn't open. The floating island fantasy thing was kinda pretty too. At least I found the NBC cable sports channel that seems to play more of the actual sports. Especially at late night. Sadly I don't have a DVR to record it.

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To be honest, initially when reading about the law(I think there was more then one) that Russia passed to limit LGBT parades, I was ambivalent about it, first its not the only country with similar laws iirc there few such as this in the USA, but mostly because I am so sick of those parades, which at this point seem like call for attention, seeking universal recognition which no one have.

 

HOWEVER and that is a huge huge huge however, I remembered that it is Russia we are talking about and not where I grew up, where LGBT kids at school treated far better then any of the "usual suspect" for abuse, who get the blind eye from society.

 

For those who had similar misconceptions about this issue, in Russia. Here is a nice video on the issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMTbFSJ_Tr4

 

I didn't think it was possible as my opinion of the Putin government is pretty low but after watching that video its sunk even lower

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To be honest, initially when reading about the law(I think there was more then one) that Russia passed to limit LGBT parades, I was ambivalent about it, first its not the only country with similar laws iirc there few such as this in the USA, but mostly because I am so sick of those parades, which at this point seem like call for attention, seeking universal recognition which no one have.

 

HOWEVER and that is a huge huge huge however, I remembered that it is Russia we are talking about and not where I grew up, where LGBT kids at school treated far better then any of the "usual suspect" for abuse, who get the blind eye from society.

 

For those who had similar misconceptions about this issue, in Russia. Here is a nice video on the issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMTbFSJ_Tr4

When i saw that "join us on Facebook and tell the world you stand with Russia's LGBT community" I laughed so har it still hurts.

 

 

Cultist I'm constantly disappointed in you and your lack of empathy, do you really see this as a positive character trait?

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Imagine how it would be if it was the Finns who utterly dominated in Biathlon. 

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When a group has been subjugated and persecuted for long stretches of history, you shouldn't expect them to calmly claim their rights of equality and fall in line.  They are going to make a big deal of it, as they should.

 

Ah, Mister Unicorn-dancing-on-a-Rainbow strikes again.

 

There were three guys giving each other enemas in public.

 

I don't care who you are, that's disgusting.

 

Edit: Gay men and women haven't been treated well, but we're hardly in 'Twelve Years a Slave' territory, are we?

 

Monte I'm afraid to say that Hurlshot is correct in this debate. You are talking about an extreme example that wouldn't be acceptable amongst most people, gay or straight. He is talking about the right of gay self-expression now that discrimination is on the decline in many countries. And that is normal and to be expected.

 

My gay friends would never do what you mentioned, they would find it shocking and completely unacceptable

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

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To the same degree as the parades ? Exciting place you live, then.

You seriously don't notice the sexualized advertisements and other content everywhere you go?

 

 

Sexualized ads are sexual orientation-neutral, mostly. They just focus on exacerbating the physical attractiveness of the model, regardless of sex. So I guess an homosexual female could be just as enticed by a Victoria's Secret ad as me. I'm not defending it, but objectification is not necessarily a celebration of heterosexuality. Maybe where you live it's different? But I was under the impression that Germany has some seriously stringent statutes regarding advertisements.

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When a group has been subjugated and persecuted for long stretches of history, you shouldn't expect them to calmly claim their rights of equality and fall in line.  They are going to make a big deal of it, as they should.

This maybe true, but this path has a slippery slope. For example the black population in the US, how much time has passed since and iirc they are still the poorest population sector, even compared to Hispanics which have a large immigration component to it.

 

I am not saying that you are wrong, they very likely earned the right to making a big deal of it. However, at some point it start to become counter productive, no one likes "drama queens" (intentionally going with stereotypes) not entitled white rich boys ranting about daddy issues, not poor black boys from the hood ranting about oppression, nor homosexuals who stuck in the teendanger attention/recognition phase.

 

 

Also FU guys, it was 43 extras minutes of being stuck in traffic, with way too many commercials, crappy music and "joker" radio host as companion, all the while contemplating a monster truck road rage..

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When a group has been subjugated and persecuted for long stretches of history, you shouldn't expect them to calmly claim their rights of equality and fall in line.  They are going to make a big deal of it, as they should.

This maybe true, but this path has a slippery slope. For example the black population in the US, how much time has passed since and iirc they are still the poorest population sector, even compared to Hispanics which have a large immigration component to it.

 

I am not saying that you are wrong, they very likely earned the right to making a big deal of it. However, at some point it start to become counter productive, no one likes "drama queens" (intentionally going with stereotypes) not entitled white rich boys ranting about daddy issues, not poor black boys from the hood ranting about oppression, nor homosexuals who stuck in the teendanger attention/recognition phase.

 

 

Also FU guys, it was 43 extras minutes of being stuck in traffic, with way too many commercials, crappy music and "joker" radio host as companion, all the while contemplating a monster truck road rage..

 

 

He said what I was trying to say, just much better.

 

Edit: You can tolerate things, you don't have to 'celebrate' them. I've got no problem with Gay people. Please note my disgust with the Russian policy on the subject. I do have a problem with vulgar exhibitionism, agitprop and identity politics. Of any flavour. Oh woe is me white guys on Fox irritate me as much as hyper-Gay baiters who want to shock me with their oh-so-modish excesses.

 

Freedom, as I say, is a two-way street.

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I heard the Olympics are going on right now, but what do I know?

 

You can chime in with the swedish commentators today and give Northug a pat on the head.  :cat:

He was way behind..

 

 

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Woot!  Score one for the mother land!  Kamil Stoch of Poland straight up demolished the field on the normal hill in Ski Jumping.  Hopefully he can repeat that on the large hill and maybe even help Poland scoop up a medal in the team competition.  :dancing:

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Woot!  Score one for the mother land!  Kamil Stoch of Poland straight up demolished the field on the normal hill in Ski Jumping.  Hopefully he can repeat that on the large hill and maybe even help Poland scoop up a medal in the team competition.  :dancing:

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Proof that Russia has gone back to the time of the Czars. 'Potemkin' houses at Sochi:

 

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Proof that Russia has gone back to the time of the Czars. 'Potemkin' houses at Sochi:

 

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Westlings!!! :facepalm: In Russia covering buildings during repair/build is standard procedure.

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Western journalists have really strange behaviour ( for true journalists) on this Olympiad. Even Russian journalists looks much better, foreign journalists are pure propagandists.

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To the same degree as the parades ? Exciting place you live, then.

You seriously don't notice the sexualized advertisements and other content everywhere you go?

 

 

Not to the same degree as the parades no.  Most ads I see are with buff men or hot women, not with both of them getting it on though.  Though the perfume ads do try to become soft-porn like. 

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Not to the same degree as the parades no.  Most ads I see are with buff men or hot women, not with both of them getting it on though.  Though the perfume ads do try to become soft-porn like.

Which are both designed to appeal not through the quality of the product, but the sexually attractive person. It doesn't have to be explicit or overt, but as a rule of thumb, the less logical the presence of a person on the advert, the higher the titillation factor.

 

Also, it's good to see oby beat the dead horse and completely fail to notice the difference between the image Wals posted and his own.

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Yeah, photo is from February 6th described as a cover with pictures of Sochi...not sure what that means.  Then again the main source is Reuters, so I guess I can't expect too much.   Still a Potemkin village was a bit more in depth deception than just a tarp while they work - wonder what the building is though, given it was from the 6th it's a bit late to even bother with an Olympic game.

 

The athletes seem ok with things in Sochi though, from what I've read, so I guess that's all that matters.

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Did Costas have a stroke or something? Or are his glasses just giving off some eyeball illusions.

 

Edit: Why is Obama on my screen (for a long time, too)? Where's the sports? Oh forget it, I'm going to go play a video game.

Now i understand your problems.

 

NBC cancel  live stream with opening ceremony. Much Later they show ceremony, but heavily edited.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/02/08/NBCFail-Opening-Ceremony-Captured-Low-Ratings-NBC-Busted-on-Major-Edits

 

As technology advances, though, there are more ways to live-stream stations from other countries, and bootleg streams also allow people to watch the games without the delay or interruptions. They allow for spoilers, but they also bring negative attention to NBC when the station decides to edit out parts of the ceremony. For instance, IOC President Thomas Bach made a statement against discrimination. This may not be a big deal to some, but Russia passed anti-gay propaganda laws over the summer and is constantly criticized over it. NBC edited his words from his long speech. Deadspin posted the video and the viewer will notice a very awkward edit in it.

NBC also cut out the performances by the group t.A.T.u. and the Russian Police Choir, who performed “Get Lucky.” The network also cut out the performance by the Olympic mascots and the torch relay montage, leaving viewers who had heard about these performances throughout the day on social media outlets to wonder why they were not shown.

What edited in IOC president Thomas Bach Statement.

http://deadspin.com/nbc-edits-out-ioc-anti-discrimination-statement-from-op-1518727938

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Did Costas have a stroke or something? Or are his glasses just giving off some eyeball illusions.

 

Edit: Why is Obama on my screen (for a long time, too)? Where's the sports? Oh forget it, I'm going to go play a video game.

 

Supposedly Costas is suffering from an eye infection.

 

I thought the delayed coverage of the Opening Ceremonies to be weak.  Lots of dead air and inane comments.  You'd think if they had to tape delay air it they'd actually make sure that we could get the best commentary (or no commentary).

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Wish you could watch it without commentary.  Either idiocy or just chauvinistic snark most of the time

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Woot!  Score one for the mother land!  Kamil Stoch of Poland straight up demolished the field on the normal hill in Ski Jumping.  Hopefully he can repeat that on the large hill and maybe even help Poland scoop up a medal in the team competition.  :dancing:

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I am so ashamed.  Jestem idiotą.

 

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