Sex and Romance Poll

[Grimlorn]

We'll be lucky if it's 40-60 hours really. What do you guys think can be accomplished with 1-2 million dollars. Say it hits 3 million, which is very possible. Fallout was made with 3 million 15 years ago. 3 million isn't worth as much today as it was back then. You also have kickstarter fees. 5-10% of the money is gone before the devs even get it.

 

However, we're not talking about a new AAA title with cutting edge technology here - if you want to develop an oldschool RPG in the style of old Infinity games nowadays, you can do that as an Indie developer. No licensing of a costy CryEngine 2, no middleware and all that, even heavy cuts on voiceovers and multi language... I do believe that Obsidian can make quite a bit out of those funds by now already, given they don't make a Fallout 4 or Dragon Age 3.

I think a lot of the money goes towards employee salaries. Obsidian can't even use their own engine to develop the game. That should tell you something right there. They have to be careful with their resources and they don't have a lot of them.

[Grimlorn]

I vote for all of the above. I believe romances, when well played, enhance the story. And it's good to have choices so that everyone is satisfied.

On a side note, has anyone thought of the possibility of romancing characters not in your party? I think it would also be interesting.

You can't satisfy everyone. You'd be a fool to try. That's why all this PC stuff never makes sense. It's just cultural herd mentality.

[BruceVC]

@ Grimlorn

You are a strange person. You don't seem to remember or understand your own posts

 

This is a RPG. Not a sex/social simulator for deviants who can't build a relationship in real life.

 

This is clearly an insult, you are suggesting that people that want sex in the game must be sexual deviants

I admit I am a sexual deviant. I watch porn and go to stripclubs. But I can understand why others would be insulted as this is not a positive view for many

 

Secondly you seem to think that your definition of an RPG is sacrosanct and we can't deviate from it. You say that your view of romances in RPG is fact, its not. Its your opinion and subjective.

 

What is fact is that the poll is clearly showing that most people want sex and relationships in this game.

 

So you need to deal with it, sorry

[Entropious]

Sorry, but I am and will remain a staunch oponent of homosexual romances within computer games. Much too much work has to be put into it, and the target consumers for such an idea are a handful compared to the majority of players.

If anything, I would dearly like to experience the implementation of the "bromance" or, in other words, the "Platonic love" concept, that is, an extremely deep, almost romantic friendship which, while being deep and meaningful, never really enters an intimate or sexual stage.

[evdk]

None of the above. If I want romance, I'll go date a girl in real life.

 

But it is a lot cheaper to romance an NPC!

Yes, computer game romances definitely are cheap. It's good you understand our position at last.

[andreisiadi]

I see a lot of people are saying the BG romances were done right. Maybe you forgot, let me remind you:

 

Viconia: Wanna' hear how I got molested in the woods ? Also I am evil.

PC: NO!

Viconia: It has naughty bits... Also I am evil.

PC: NO!

Viconia: I lied. Also I am evil.

PC: Oh, for the love of Bhaal...just shut up !

 

Aerie: I wanna' bitch and moan about how I lost my wings...

PC: Walk away from this party right now.

Aerie: What ?

PC: You're done, shove off.

 

Jaheira: I am pissed and moody about my husb...

PC - casting Silence on the party.

 

Later...

PC: So, Nalia, you tend to shut up a lot. I find that rather refreshing.

Nalia: Not interested.

PC: FUUUUUCK !

 

Oh and let's not forget:

"Hi. I'm Anomen..."

"Eat fireball you goofy jackass !"

[SanguineAngel]

This area of the game is the biggest opportunity for the Devs to actually go ahead and present really mature themes. I don't mean sex and gratuity. I mean genuine, respectful portrayals of gender and sexual orientation and relationships with meaningful and emotional interaction. With ramifications beyond your direct relationship with an NPC. Other companion's reactions, a change in NPC's reactions during other events. Go to town.

[evdk]

@ Grimlorn

You are a strange person. You don't seem to remember or understand your own posts

 

This is a RPG. Not a sex/social simulator for deviants who can't build a relationship in real life.

 

This is clearly an insult, you are suggesting that people that want sex in the game must be sexual deviants

I admit I am a sexual deviant. I watch porn and go to stripclubs. But I can understand why others would be insulted as this is not a positive view for many

 

Secondly you seem to think that your definition of an RPG is sacrosanct and we can't deviate from it. You say that your view of romances in RPG is fact, its not. Its your opinion and subjective.

 

What is fact is that the poll is clearly showing that most people want sex and relationships in this game.

 

So you need to deal with it, sorry

Most people posting on these forums at this moment. So not a lot of people, in truth.

[SanguineAngel]

I see a lot of people are saying the BG romances were done right. Maybe you forgot, let me remind you:

 

Viconia: Wanna' hear how I got molested in the woods ? Also I am evil.

PC: NO!

Viconia: It has naughty bits... Also I am evil.

PC: NO!

Viconia: I lied. Also I am evil.

PC: Oh, for the love of Bhaal...just shut up !

 

Aerie: I wanna' bitch and moan about how I lost my wings...

PC: Walk away from this party right now.

Aerie: What ?

PC: You're done, shove off.

 

Jaheira: I am pissed and moody about my husb...

PC - casting Silence on the party.

 

Later...

PC: So, Nalia, you tend to shut up a lot. I find that rather refreshing.

Nalia: Not interested.

PC: FUUUUUCK !

 

Oh and let's not forget:

"Hi. I'm Anomen..."

"Eat fireball you goofy jackass !"

 

And it was still better than pretty much any other RPG that features relationships

[Grimlorn]

@ Grimlorn

You are a strange person. You don't seem to remember or understand your own posts

 

This is a RPG. Not a sex/social simulator for deviants who can't build a relationship in real life.

 

This is clearly an insult, you are suggesting that people that want sex in the game must be sexual deviants

I admit I am a sexual deviant. I watch porn and go to stripclubs. But I can understand why others would be insulted as this is not a positive view for many

 

Secondly you seem to think that your definition of an RPG is sacrosanct and we can't deviate from it. You say that your view of romances in RPG is fact, its not. Its your opinion and subjective.

 

What is fact is that the poll is clearly showing that most people want sex and relationships in this game.

 

So you need to deal with it, sorry

Thanks for proving my point about the deviant thing?

 

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter what 200 people out of 30k want. This is Obsidian's game, not the people's. You donate they create the game they want. They aren't obligated to put romances in based on 300 person poll. And they don't like romances. Romances are bad in RPGs. They've never really been good. It boggles my mind that people can't see this, but my guess is they're too busy fantasizing about a sexual relationship with an inanimate object. It's weird.

[evdk]

I see a lot of people are saying the BG romances were done right. Maybe you forgot, let me remind you:

 

 

Jaheira: I am pissed and moody about my husb...

PC - casting Silence on the party.

 

 

Hey, giving a pity **** to a distraught widow is the hight of emotional maturity, don't you know?

[metiman]

Are Bioware fans all homosexuals? I'm genuinely curious.

[Lostbrain]

They don't like romance ? Link ?

Because I have see many romance in Obsidian game...

[Grimlorn]

@ Grimlorn

You are a strange person. You don't seem to remember or understand your own posts

 

This is a RPG. Not a sex/social simulator for deviants who can't build a relationship in real life.

 

This is clearly an insult, you are suggesting that people that want sex in the game must be sexual deviants

I admit I am a sexual deviant. I watch porn and go to stripclubs. But I can understand why others would be insulted as this is not a positive view for many

 

Secondly you seem to think that your definition of an RPG is sacrosanct and we can't deviate from it. You say that your view of romances in RPG is fact, its not. Its your opinion and subjective.

 

What is fact is that the poll is clearly showing that most people want sex and relationships in this game.

 

So you need to deal with it, sorry

Most people posting on these forums at this moment. So not a lot of people, in truth.

Let's be real. They're just a bunch of ME and DA fans from Bioware who are emotionally engaged by those relationships in their games. They just want more because they're lonely addicts or something.

[metiman]

http://thesims.com/en_us/home

[vattghern]

you are a sad little man. all the obsidian games had romance in them, why is it so outrageous to assume that this one will as well?

[Grimlorn]

Are Bioware fans all homosexuals? I'm genuinely curious.

There was a poll on the Bioware forums about this. About 80% voted yes. So you can see what we're dealing with and what Bioware has done to gaming with "romances".

[Stevenaap]

Although, admittedly, this is mostly dictated by my personal tastes, I would really like for the game to introduce meaningful romance. If any actual sex scenes were to be included, something along the lines of what "The Witcher 2" brought about would be preferred - tasteful, elegant, yet absolutely erotic and adult.

However, I could really live without homosexual romances. I understand that currently the West is dominated by what is called "political corectness" or "cultural Marxism" but afters seeing the sausage fest that was Dragon Age 2, as well as the overall feel of said romances being rammed in just for the sake of gaining applause from certain miniscule communities and gaining free publicity through controversy, I give such ideas a big thumbs down.

 

That is a pretty homophobic statement I'm sorry say . Certain miniscule communities, are you kidding me? The homosexual population is estimated at around 2-10% of the population, that does NOT constitute a miniscule community. And of course the aim isn't to cause controversy but rather to promote acceptance homosexuality.

 

On-topic, I think I'd rather prefer no sex scenes at all, I've yet to see one that wasn't hilarious,crass or just plain sexist. Actually I'm deeply ambivalent about romancing companions in general. I'm getting kind of tired of the whole 'date simulator' mechanic i.e. pick the right conversation option twice and you get to shack.

Edited September 18, 2012 by Stevenaap

[Entropious]

"A respectable portrayal of sexual orientations?" Sorry, but what you are suggesting, in essence, is once again being politically correctt in the event homsexual characters are introduced and this, by itself, puts limitiations on the developers.

Edited September 18, 2012 by Entropious

[Grimlorn]

you are a sad little man. all the obsidian games had romance in them, why is it so outrageous to assume that this one will as well?

Not all Obsidian games and they were bad in those too. And they probably had to include them because publishers wanted them.

[evdk]

you are a sad little man. all the obsidian games had romance in them, why is it so outrageous to assume that this one will as well?

Obsidian games had romances foisted on them by the publishers. Several of important developers are on record saying that they dislike them. We just do not want them to succumb to disgruntled ex-Bioware fans pressure.

 

Coincidentally DA3 has been announced. Just saying.

[vattghern]

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you are a sad little man. all the obsidian games had romance in them, why is it so outrageous to assume that this one will as well?

Not all Obsidian games and they were bad in those too. And they probably had to include them because publishers wanted them.

h the evil publisher is at fault when a game has features i dont like, nevermind all the other fans that appreciate said feature and the devs who felt they wanted to include it

 

you need to realize that the world doesnt revolve around yourself

[Lostbrain]

es had romances foisted on them by the publishers. Several of important developers are on record saying that they dislike them.

 

 

Link ?

[Jarmo]

Romances are bad in RPGs.

 

Well... that's your opinion. You can say it again, but that doesn't make it a fact.

And your opinion is in 1/3 minority. You can assume only crazy game romance addicts come and vote here, but you know what assuming does, right?

 

Now Obsidian can make the game they want, if they'd do everything according to polls here and elsewhere, it'd be a really strange and bad game.

But if they want the public opinion, it's right there on the poll stats.

[Longknife]

I see a lot of people are saying the BG romances were done right. Maybe you forgot, let me remind you:

 

Viconia: Wanna' hear how I got molested in the woods ? Also I am evil.

PC: NO!

Viconia: It has naughty bits... Also I am evil.

PC: NO!

Viconia: I lied. Also I am evil.

PC: Oh, for the love of Bhaal...just shut up !

 

Aerie: I wanna' bitch and moan about how I lost my wings...

PC: Walk away from this party right now.

Aerie: What ?

PC: You're done, shove off.

 

Jaheira: I am pissed and moody about my husb...

PC - casting Silence on the party.

 

Later...

PC: So, Nalia, you tend to shut up a lot. I find that rather refreshing.

Nalia: Not interested.

PC: FUUUUUCK !

 

Oh and let's not forget:

"Hi. I'm Anomen..."

"Eat fireball you goofy jackass !"

 

I think that's part of the problem.

 

"Relationships" are really nothing more than you learning about the character. You're not hitting it off, you're not bonding, you don't even find each other physically attractive. You're just hearing her backstory, then comes fapping material. The fap material is unneccesary and is a cheap way to add to the experience.

 

I mean let's get real: I learned Boone's backstory too, doesn't mean I should (nor want to) **** him.

 

Maybe some people like the extra flirting etc, but let's be honest: that's cheap. That's a very low form of entertainment. If you want that kind of stuff, seriously just go online and search....well literally anything.

 

We who oppose romance aren't saying we don't want character depth and backstory etc, we're just saying that the sex afterwards is meaningless and stupid, because it's NOT actually sex or a confirmed relationship, thus it's a very empty, forced and fake accomplishment. I can feel accomplished for helping Boone come to terms with his past WITHOUT ****ing him; that part of the equation is unneccesary.

 

 

Link ?

 

Also, yes. Anyone have it?

 

I DO know it's out there, but they're justified in asking for it and it would help make a point, but I can't seem to find it.

Edited September 18, 2012 by Longknife